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Post by doctor_grey Fri 17 Feb 2023, 1:55 pm

note - Revised to include UK times - sniffing too much ether when I copied them over.....

Today
Bristol Rugby v Newcastle Falcons
2:45 PM EST 7:45 PM BST Ashton Gate, Bristol

Gloucester Rugby v Harlequins  
2:45 PM EST 7:45pm BST Kingsholm, Gloucester

Saturday
Northampton Saints v Sale Sharks
10:00 AM EST 3:00pm BST cinch Stadium at Franklin's Gardens, Northampton

Bath Rugby v London Irish          
10:00 AM EST 3:00pm BST Recreation Ground, Bath

Sunday
Leicester Tigers v Saracens          
10:00 AM EST 3:00pm BST Mattioli Woods Welford Road Stadium, Leicester


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Post by Oakdene Fri 17 Feb 2023, 1:58 pm

Very odd kick off times!!! Mind a 2:45 kick off on a Friday afternoon would be great, few beers after & still be home early doors.

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Post by doctor_grey Fri 17 Feb 2023, 2:09 pm

Oakdene wrote:Very odd kick off times!!! Mind a 2:45 kick off on a Friday afternoon would be great, few beers after & still be home early doors.
Sorry, those times were over here in the colonies on the left side of the Atlantic.

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Post by Recwatcher16 Fri 17 Feb 2023, 2:17 pm

Useful looking Bath side with a whole raft of players coming back from injury. If only Bath could consistently pick this side....

Bath Rugby: 15 Matt Gallagher, 14 Joe Cokanasiga, 13 Jonathan Joseph, 12 Cameron Redpath, 11 Ruaridh McConnochie, 10 Piers Francis, 9 Ben Spencer; 1 Beno Obano, 2 Tom Dunn, 3 D’Arcy Rae, 4 Dave Attwood, 5 Josh McNally, 6 Miles Reid, 7 Sam Underhill, 8 Josh Bayliss 

Impact players: 16 Niall Annett, 17 Valeriy Morozov, 18 Will Stuart, 19 Quinn Roux, 20 Fergus Lee-Warner, 21 Louis Schreuder, 22 Orlando Bailey, 23 Chris Cloete


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Post by doctor_grey Fri 17 Feb 2023, 3:31 pm

By the way, I still don't understand why there are two games played at the same time. Staggering the kickoff times would translate directly to more Rugby on tv.

It sure seems that people who are supposed to be building the Rugby business are the progeny of a relationship between brother and sister.

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Post by doctor_grey Fri 17 Feb 2023, 8:54 pm

Gee, Gloucester Quins is a surprisingly unexciting match.  Despite a fair amount of back and forth.  Guess I will switch over to Brizzle-Nuke.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Fri 17 Feb 2023, 9:08 pm

doctor_grey wrote:By the way, I still don't understand why there are two games played at the same time.  Staggering the kickoff times would translate directly to more Rugby on tv.  

It sure seems that people who are supposed to be building the Rugby business are the progeny of a relationship between brother and sister.  

BT have only paid for a certain number over the course of the season, translates to roughly 3 a week. I don't know why both sides don't get around the table and thrash out the deal to cover more unless there's evidence to suggest televised games have smaller crowds.

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Post by Heaf Fri 17 Feb 2023, 10:28 pm

Recwatcher16 wrote:Useful looking Bath side with a whole raft of players coming back from injury. If only Bath could consistently pick this side....

Bath Rugby: 15 Matt Gallagher, 14 Joe Cokanasiga, 13 Jonathan Joseph, 12 Cameron Redpath, 11 Ruaridh McConnochie, 10 Piers Francis, 9 Ben Spencer; 1 Beno Obano, 2 Tom Dunn, 3 D’Arcy Rae, 4 Dave Attwood, 5 Josh McNally, 6 Miles Reid, 7 Sam Underhill, 8 Josh Bayliss 

Impact players: 16 Niall Annett, 17 Valeriy Morozov, 18 Will Stuart, 19 Quinn Roux, 20 Fergus Lee-Warner, 21 Louis Schreuder, 22 Orlando Bailey, 23 Chris Cloete


Couldn't you have waited another week Wink

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Post by doctor_grey Fri 17 Feb 2023, 10:29 pm

formerly known as Sam wrote:
doctor_grey wrote:By the way, I still don't understand why there are two games played at the same time.  Staggering the kickoff times would translate directly to more Rugby on tv.  

It sure seems that people who are supposed to be building the Rugby business are the progeny of a relationship between brother and sister.  

BT have only paid for a certain number over the course of the season, translates to roughly 3 a week. I don't know why both sides don't get around the table and thrash out the deal to cover more unless there's evidence to suggest televised games have smaller crowds.
The late and somewhat lamented Super Rugby had a policy that no games should overlap due to their desire to maximise their viewership.  And I guess they didn't see a down side because they kept the policy for over 20 years until the end.  Makes sense to me.  And I agree this should be a no brainer for both sides.

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Post by Heaf Sat 18 Feb 2023, 3:26 pm

Well that's Manu out for the rest of the 6N anyway now ...

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Post by Heaf Sat 18 Feb 2023, 3:27 pm

Saints player maybe also lucky not to have what could have been a tip tackle properly looked at, by which I mean Ms Hodnett was the one that looked ...

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat 18 Feb 2023, 3:45 pm

Warr landed on his back per the replay. Was probably only a penalty.

Sale are looking really good even down to 14, Manu was really stupid and it's going to see him miss the rest of 6N. Could open the door to Seb Atkinson who was great for Glaws last night and made 22 tackles with Quins trying to target him. Playing against Big Andre as well who'd be a regular international 12 if he was from any nation other than SA.

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Post by Heaf Sat 18 Feb 2023, 3:46 pm

Try to Sale disallowed - not sure about that

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Post by Heaf Sat 18 Feb 2023, 3:47 pm

formerly known as Sam wrote:Warr landed on his back per the replay. Was probably only a penalty.

Sale are looking really good even down to 14, Manu was really stupid and it's going to see him miss the rest of 6N. Could open the door to Seb Atkinson who was great for Glaws last night and made 22 tackles with Quins trying to target him. Playing against Big Andre as well who'd be a regular international 12 if he was from any nation other than SA.

Pen only yes and didn't matter as try was scored - however Ms Hodnett waved it away completely which is the worry as at another point that could be important ...


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Post by doctor_grey Sat 18 Feb 2023, 3:48 pm

Heaf wrote:Try to Sale disallowed - not sure about that
There first four tries should be disallowed retrospectively....

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Post by Heaf Sat 18 Feb 2023, 3:51 pm

Imagine if Sale still had Manu on the pitch Shocked

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Post by doctor_grey Sat 18 Feb 2023, 3:54 pm

He would be having his hamstring looked at by now....

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Post by Heaf Sat 18 Feb 2023, 3:59 pm

doctor_grey wrote:He would be having his hamstring looked at by now....
Smile

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Post by Heaf Sat 18 Feb 2023, 4:14 pm

Was there direct head on head there?

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Post by doctor_grey Sat 18 Feb 2023, 4:16 pm

Looked it to me. I just can't see that as a red though.

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Post by Heaf Sat 18 Feb 2023, 4:18 pm

One angle seems to show no contact though but Hodnett didn't go back to that one ...

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 18 Feb 2023, 4:20 pm

It looked a yellow.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 18 Feb 2023, 4:28 pm

Wish the director would slap Day down and say stop saying we.

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Post by Heaf Sat 18 Feb 2023, 4:29 pm

They're bigging up the big comeback ignoring the fact that Saints have had an extra player for most of the match and 2 extra for the last 10 mins ....

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Post by Heaf Sat 18 Feb 2023, 4:31 pm

Sale are my least favourite team but tbh without the (correct) red card it would probably have been a cricket score.

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Post by doctor_grey Sat 18 Feb 2023, 4:36 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Wish the director would slap Day down and say stop saying we.
Yeah, but he is talking to me. And he is one of us.

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Post by Heaf Sat 18 Feb 2023, 4:39 pm

Really not sure about that one ...

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Post by Heaf Sat 18 Feb 2023, 4:46 pm

Now they're ignoring forward passes ...

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Post by doctor_grey Sat 18 Feb 2023, 4:47 pm

Saints look really good - against 13 men....

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Post by doctor_grey Sat 18 Feb 2023, 4:50 pm

by the way, and not for nothing, but don't they teach players to try and ground the ball close to the posts if possible?

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Post by doctor_grey Sat 18 Feb 2023, 4:51 pm

No pen for the no arms?????

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Post by Heaf Sat 18 Feb 2023, 4:52 pm

Well Saints scrape it but the officials were dreadful ...

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Post by Heaf Sat 18 Feb 2023, 4:53 pm

And Sale's discipline went completely to pot at the end ...

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 18 Feb 2023, 4:57 pm

I'd be slightly embarrassed to cheer that loudly if I was a Northampton fan.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 18 Feb 2023, 4:58 pm

Heaf wrote:And Sale's discipline went completely to pot at the end ...

Wasn't exactly great at the start or middle either!

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Post by Heaf Sat 18 Feb 2023, 4:59 pm

I'm still struggling with the Saints try from a flying wedge off the line out compared to the one disallowed for Sale ... then add in a couple of clear forward passes missed which ultimateley ended in a try. Saints were very lucky even taking Manu's deserved red card out of the equation.

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Post by doctor_grey Sat 18 Feb 2023, 4:59 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:I'd be slightly embarrassed to cheer that loudly if I was a Northampton fan.
Why?
A win, however, sh!tful, is a win.

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Post by Heaf Sat 18 Feb 2023, 5:05 pm

Fine to cheer the win (probably with relief) but the commentators are making a meal of the 'comeback' given the extra man/men and some of the dodgy calls by the officials ...

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 18 Feb 2023, 5:15 pm

doctor_grey wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:I'd be slightly embarrassed to cheer that loudly if I was a Northampton fan.
Why?
A win, however, sh!tful, is a win.

Yeah but at least have the decency to keep it stifled after that!

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Post by doctor_grey Sat 18 Feb 2023, 5:50 pm

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doctor_grey wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:I'd be slightly embarrassed to cheer that loudly if I was a Northampton fan.
Why?
A win, however, sh!tful, is a win.

Yeah but at least have the decency to keep it stifled after that!
Fair enough! But we don't get a lot of wins so we takes what we gets. Besides, I wasn't cheering too loudly. And I doubt you could hear what we were saying from here.....

Did you see Ribbans (man of the match - again) in his post-match interview? First question was about the win. He looked very sheepishly into the camera and after a second or two said, "well, a win is a win" clearly acknowledging Saints were verrrry lucky.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 18 Feb 2023, 5:52 pm

Real shame he's off at the end of the season. Don't know why he hasn't had a look in for England albeit chessum is class.

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Post by doctor_grey Sat 18 Feb 2023, 6:10 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Real shame he's off at the end of the season. Don't know why he hasn't had a look in for England albeit chessum is class.
I really don't know what keeps Ribbans out of the England squad.  He does all the donkey work and does it well.  Chessum is good and will likely be an England regular for years to come, but he can't handle the ball as well as Ribbans.  They should all be in the mix.  Perhaps Ribbans would be a terrific impact player off the bench, though he can and does go the full 80 regularly. And Eddie Jones preferred Jonny Hill.......

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat 18 Feb 2023, 6:59 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:
Heaf wrote:And Sale's discipline went completely to pot at the end ...

Wasn't exactly great at the start or middle either!

It's the Achilles Heel that's likely to cost them at the business end of the season.

The Tempo/Hodnett combo were their usual terrifying level of inconsistent incompetence. Didn't stop a very good end to end game coming about though may have assisted the result. Manu ultimately cost his team though and the officials got that spot on, playing for so long at such a tempo with 14 was always going to be a big ask.

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Post by Heaf Sat 18 Feb 2023, 7:22 pm

I was surprised Sale managed to stay on top for so long with only 13/14 men. Still no doubt in my mind Ms Hodnett was key in changing the result again ALA Irish v Quins, although of course the ref has to also take his share of the rap for that.

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Post by Recwatcher16 Sun 19 Feb 2023, 9:54 am

Heaf wrote:
Recwatcher16 wrote:Useful looking Bath side with a whole raft of players coming back from injury. If only Bath could consistently pick this side....

Bath Rugby: 15 Matt Gallagher, 14 Joe Cokanasiga, 13 Jonathan Joseph, 12 Cameron Redpath, 11 Ruaridh McConnochie, 10 Piers Francis, 9 Ben Spencer; 1 Beno Obano, 2 Tom Dunn, 3 D’Arcy Rae, 4 Dave Attwood, 5 Josh McNally, 6 Miles Reid, 7 Sam Underhill, 8 Josh Bayliss 

Impact players: 16 Niall Annett, 17 Valeriy Morozov, 18 Will Stuart, 19 Quinn Roux, 20 Fergus Lee-Warner, 21 Louis Schreuder, 22 Orlando Bailey, 23 Chris Cloete


Couldn't you have waited another week Wink

Looks like Bath have....disappointing!
Consistent combinations need to stay in place but Paddy Jackson was a difference yesterday. Bath FH's currently aren't good enough.

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Post by Heaf Sun 19 Feb 2023, 10:41 am

Yes I was pleasantly surprised by that result.

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Post by doctor_grey Sun 19 Feb 2023, 3:13 pm

Mike Brown!!!!

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Post by Rugby Fan Sun 19 Feb 2023, 3:48 pm

doctor_grey wrote:Mike Brown!!!!

Are you saying...World Cup bolter? Very Happy

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Post by doctor_grey Sun 19 Feb 2023, 4:07 pm

Rugby Fan wrote:
doctor_grey wrote:Mike Brown!!!!

Are you saying...World Cup bolter? Very Happy  
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To be fair, he would bring an attitude which I think England is lacking just a little bit.

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Post by Cumbrian Sun 19 Feb 2023, 4:11 pm

Turning into a good game this.
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