Argentina Side For Wales Test

Looks like v2 is going to go the way of v1. discussion and debate about the game turns into wumming and there seems to have been an increase recently

yeah, why are we talking about ireland in a wales v argentina thread? seriously pointless stop bickering your all giving bad names to the normal respectful supporters of your respective nations- please grow up (this is coming from a teenager)

Aw, sorry guys. Don't take it so personally!

I didn't mean any harm by it. It's just when people are so sensitive... it is quite funny. Sorry about that.

I didn't mean to offend anybody and hope I haven't

I feel the cold, hard jackboot of authority stamping down on my neck

I'm hoping to catch at least the first half of this; I think Argentina could seriously ask you some questions in the set piece. if Wales are accurate from touch and win their own scrums I see them winning, but I would never rule out that tight five from hurting a side even if it is growing quite old.

but when you look at our pack we have 4 out of the front 5 from ospreys whos pack have been very dominate in europe so i think we shall be fine

If none of you are worried about Wales then why is your mate whinging on about my suggestion that we'll beat Fiji by 15 with a full side. You all seem to be interested in Wales which is contradictory to some extent.

Sure regional rugby means nothing!

Its the lineout you have to get right. If they start pinching your ball your in for a long day. I'm still backing Wales to win, think it could be tight though. Will be a good warm-up for you.

maybe tight until 50/60 minutes but i seriously wonder the argentine defence and fitness

RubyGuby wrote:If none of you are worried about Wales then why is your mate whinging on about my suggestion that we'll beat Fiji by 15 with a full side. You all seem to be interested in Wales which is contradictory to some extent.

Just saying it as a rugby fan, not as an Irish man.

Yeah - me too - just saying it as a rugby fan not a welshman

Then fair enough. I think your confidence is misplaced but as said, we'll see how it goes at the end of September.

How do you get the dishes in the barrell?

If a person is confident it's not our place to question it.

"I think your confidence is misplaced" - you're too generous

Cymroglan wrote:If a person is confident it's not our place to question it.

Why not?

Why should you

In fact I'm getting more confident by the day

Cymroglan wrote:Why should you

Because I don't believe he is giving the Fijians the respect they've earned and is being a slight bit dismissive. And of course you can question someone's confidence. Nothing wrong in that. If he's that confident, it won't bother him anyway.

By suggesting we can beat them is showing disrespect thats total nonsense,

No, it's how he dismissed their draw last November and it having no bearing on this upcoming game.

Disrespectful to the Fijians! - You seem to be making this up as you go along and interpreting things that are not there - Lets beg to differ like I said a few hours ago. I have ultimate respect for Fiji and confidence in my team. Twice Gatland has made 10-11 changes to a side and its been a farce. We have a front row to rival anyones and a back row to match. In addition we have power and pace behind the scrum and perhaps most importantly I detect a reknewed confidence with the likes of Warburton, Lydiate playing well and Roberts coming back into form. Make that 20 points.

What happened months ago does not have any bearing on what will happen in Waikato on 2 October even a week is a long time in Rugby.

This bag of shoite played in that game and I think it has little relevance whatsoever - Your lot didn't seem too upset with the defeat to Scotland on Sat because you had a weakened team. Can you just please allow us that same perspective - Jeeez, what do you REALLY want mate

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Cymroglan wrote:What happened months ago does not have any bearing on what will happen in Waikato on 2 October even a week is a long time in Rugby.

Really? You really think it has no bearing at all?

No it does not it's another day another game with a different ref

Cymroglan wrote:No it does not it's another day another game with a different ref

So if a team gains confidence from the previous match, that counts for nothing to the next game?

To be fair, it's either all doom with you boyos or you're going to dominate the world

I think you'll beat Fiji with a little bit to spare, struggle against Samoa in a game that could go either way (but Wales start as favourites) and lose to the Boks.

This test is the perfect warm-up; Argentina will be a big physical challenge for whats going to be a very physical group.

What Munsty is saying is the Fijians will not be intimidated by Wales as a result of previous meetings. They will go in as underdogs, but will have belief and probably put up a pretty good fight even if there is no upset.

We are talking about games being played 11 months apart if the Fijians go into the next game thinking that things will be just as easy then that will be their mistake.
Italy beat France do you honestly believe that the Italians willl think that the next time they play France that the game is in the bag.

We have played them 8 times and won 6 drawn 1 and with Jenkins muppetts losing one. We have scored over 220 points and conceded 118 - Who the feck should have the confidence here, particularly with a full 1 st team - You obviously have a hidden agenda and perhaps you have some anglo blood running through your veins so why not just wait and if we win by 14 points I will congratulate you on your persoective

Cymroglan wrote:We are talking about games being played 11 months apart if the Fijians go into the next game thinking that things will be just as easy then that will be their mistake.
Italy beat France do you honestly believe that the Italians willl think that the next time they play France that the game is in the bag.

I never said it would be easy for Fiji. And no Italy would not think it is in the bag but they will have lost that inferiority complex they've seemed to have against France.

RubyGuby wrote:We have played them 8 times and won 6 drawn 1 and with Jenkins muppetts losing one. We have scored over 220 points and conceded 118 - Who the feck should have the confidence here, particularly with a full 1 st team - You obviously have a hidden agenda and perhaps you have some anglo blood running through your veins so why not just wait and if we win by 14 points I will congratulate you on your persoective

No-one has said Wales won't win or Fiji are favourites or anything like that. Its just been suggested that theres no room for under-performance or complacency. I don't think theres much risk of it either to be honest.

RubyGuby wrote:We have played them 8 times and won 6 drawn 1 and with Jenkins muppetts losing one. We have scored over 220 points and conceded 118 - Who the feck should have the confidence here, particularly with a full 1 st team - You obviously have a hidden agenda and perhaps you have some anglo blood running through your veins so why not just wait and if we win by 14 points I will congratulate you on your persoective

Both teams should be confident but I believe Wales should be wary.

Did they have a inferiority complex in the first place ? I seen no evidence of that the last time the two sides met.
These are professional players with a professional attitude.

Notch = the thing is no one has even suggested complacency - Wales will have to be close to their best and they will have to execute a clever game plan. I'm just confident that we have more than enough to get past them with something to spare and then Samoa will be the 50/50 game. I'm happy for the guy to differ, that's great but he has an underlying agenda here and is seeing things that are not there and suggesting things that have not been said.

No he isn't. He's just misinterpreted you, and now you are misinterpreting him and on and on it goes...

He has no 'underlying agenda'. That's a bit much!

RubyGuby wrote:Notch = the thing is no one has even suggested complacency - Wales will have to be close to their best and they will have to execute a clever game plan. I'm just confident that we have more than enough to get past them with something to spare and then Samoa will be the 50/50 game. I'm happy for the guy to differ, that's great but he has an underlying agenda here and is seeing things that are not there and suggesting things that have not been said.

Underlying agenda?

I actually believe the Fiji game will be tougher than the Samoa game. Samoa had the big result but I think the expectation and bad schedule will work against them. Fiji are a side that need to build momentum and that is a big possibility having Wales last in the group.

Cymroglan wrote:Did they have a inferiority complex in the first place ? I seen no evidence of that the last time the two sides met.
These are professional players with a professional attitude.

I'm not saying it is the only factor but past performances play a large part in how players view games.

Notch wrote:To be fair, it's either all doom with you boyos or you're going to dominate the world

I think you'll beat Fiji with a little bit to spare, struggle against Samoa in a game that could go either way (but Wales start as favourites) and lose to the Boks.

This test is the perfect warm-up; Argentina will be a big physical challenge for whats going to be a very physical group.

hard to disagree with the above although given the opposition in the wc group maybe tonga would have been a better match up for us?

BACK ON TOPIC!?!?!?!?!?

Basically Aregntina are there for the taking if Wales play with some brains and composure. Now in the past we have been guilty of playing with neither however, there is a new confidence in the squad and we are a team that thrives when our heads are right.

At the moment Im expecting a good win from Wales even with Buggy boy now playing at 8 and JT coming in. Sideways Jones is out as a precaution.

The style of rugby played at the last World Cup suited the type of Forward doninated kick for position and dominate territory rugby that Argentina, England, SA all excel at and it got all three to the semis. However, the rules have changed considerably, Argentina are not as powerful as England and they dont have their defence.

Honestly I dont think the pumas have the forward power to bully us up front in the way England did last week. I also think there is a weakness in their lineout.

Whilst the puma front row has bags of experience, ledesma and roncero are 38 and 34 respectively and I think thats says somthing about the pumas strength in depth. They are also really going to feel the pace of the game.Wales have proven their fitness levels in two games and again that will be key for us in the last quarter

So Im confident of a Wales win and it should be a comfortable win, but those are the matches we always seem to screw up.

TycroesOsprey wrote:Basically Aregntina are there for the taking if Wales play with some brains and composure... Honestly I dont think the pumas have the forward power to bully us up front in the way England did last week.

I hope Gatland doesn't send the team out on Saturday with that complacent mindset - and the Pumas never send out a weak pack.

The Pumas pack will be strong, and the front row will tire, but they'll be replaced by more quality. Can we say the same at 60 minutes that we're replacing front row quality with more front row quality? I'll be happy with parity considering its 2/3 of this front row's first game for a while.

I think the backs will be confident, Tavis will get a good chance to get his international career off to a start properly today. James Hook/Jamie Roberts will both be oozing confidence, they've both played well the last couple of games and that should help take any pressure off him. Halfpenny's pure pace/long range kicking will be a welcome re-addition, although as its his first game back, a solid 80 minutes would be a success. Id take North off at half time and give brew 40 minutes to see what he can do.

I think Argentina will be a tough test, but I think Wales should win by at least a score.

Comfort - I think the backs are where we'll win it - just hope we play in the right areas.

Am looking forward to what Knoyle, Hook and Roberts can do - I hope 1/2penny can be eased in and Byrne can rediscover some form

Absolutey Smirnoff, I'm really not sure what to expect from the Argentinian backs defensively, We know they'll be tough through 1 - 15, but this will be their first real test and with the form Roberts/North have been showing going forward I wonder how they'll cope from 60 onwards.

Byrne is always solid, even at his worst, just keep him away from kicking to touch I say!! I'd still like to have given Priestland gametime at fullback, hes playing international rugby like an experienced pro so far and hes done very well there(and 10) for the Scarlets.

I'm mainly interested in Wales continuing to play with a pattern and game plan that seems to have been missing for 2 years. In both the England matches there was evidence of a clear structure and in general more patience and composure in the build up. I know we suffered in the 2nd game with a weak front row but generally I have seen evidence of a game plan with Wales going through the phases and using the ball efficiently when they get it. My fear is a stodgy performance against a good spoiling side and then the risk that we'll start throwing it around willy nilly and get picked off. We need to control the game and take what's on offer and continue to be patient with our build ups. After all the criticism Wales have received about the 3 warm up matches it looks as if we've actually arrived at the perfect opposition for what's ahead. Lets see if we can rise to this so we can start to get some much needed consistency. I just want Hook to play the percentages without feeling he has to run everything.

Honestly I dont think the pumas have the forward power to bully us up front in the way England did last week

They have the power and a better backrow than England offered as well. They might not have the same level of organisation though and that is where Wales might be able to take advantage. We saw when the got beaten by Ireland that early doors they were very strong but due a well drilled Irish side and a frankly appalling referee their heads dropped and then Ireland were able to dominate. If Wales can weather the early storm and keep their composure they should win.

luckless_pedestrian wrote:

TycroesOsprey wrote:Basically Aregntina are there for the taking if Wales play with some brains and composure... Honestly I dont think the pumas have the forward power to bully us up front in the way England did last week.

I hope Gatland doesn't send the team out on Saturday with that complacent mindset - and the Pumas never send out a weak pack.

That isnt complacency? again and again Ive said if we play with composure and brains did you not read the whole of my post or any of the others Ive made in this thread?

The puma pack is four years past its best before date, their backs are not creative. England last week had a level of athleticism, strength and brute force that Argentina cannot reproduce. They do have a good backrow, and will contest the breakdown with ferocity but they do not have the monster pack England have. If Wales do not go out there with the mindset of making a very good statement about their ability I will be seriously dissapointed and Gatland as a coach should be telling them that if they are clever tehy can get a very very good win.

complacency? meh, its called being confident in the Welsh teams ability and based on a realistic assessment of the Argentine team.

No, the primary objective is to win. A good win is secondary. You get the job done and if you can put a good score on them,all the better; but if you send out a team with the mindset that they're going to win comfortably, that has real potential to backfire.