If Wales win the RWC...

...and that is IF.

Do you think a precedent has now been set, and they should all get honours like the 2003 English side did.

If they dont, surely there is discrimination of sorts...

So if they win it is a minimum of MBEs for the Team, OBE for Sam Our Captain, and OBE for whoever kicks the winning drop goal (assuming it is won that way).

Not forgetting of course a Knighthood for Warren Gatland, who as a New Zealander, and part of the commonwealth can accept it....

Yes, as long as they sing GSTQ.

I think that it was a bit over doing it to be honest but it would be tough to justify not doing it. Sir Warren Gatland...

B!oody hell Hersh, that's a big ask

Only George North

why? Sir Biggles

Everything should be the same except Gatland should be given an OBE not knighted.

Clive Woodward should never have been knighted anyway.

mckay1402 wrote:I think that it was a bit over doing it to be honest but it would be tough to justify not doing it. Sir Warren Gatland...

But is it.... Clive Woodentop got knighted, and what has he done differently.. Nout. Both won Grand Slams, and IF all goes well both World Cups..... AND AGAIN THERE IS AN IF for those who will pick me up on it.

Also, not sure he could be given MBE or OBE being a New Zealander, but I know they can take a knighthood, dont know enough about the honours system to know what type of knighthood it is, but it is still Sir...

HERSH wrote:why? Sir Biggles

Because they would have to learn the words....

"Do you think a precedent has now been set, and they should all get honours like the 2003 English side did.

If they dont, surely there is discrimination of sorts... "

oh dear.

lol you havent won the thing yet.

IF YOU DO then yes of course you will get honoured- there is no discrimination- why bring it up??

May I suggest you read the OP and Poll carefully.....

It says IF...

So I assume you voted NO. That IF Wales win, they shouldnt get the same awards....

...it would be a cold day in hell.

Sorry just had too. Yes I think they will get the honours like the 2003 side, and I think they are strong enough to have a real shot at taking the cup.

.....I will need cosmetic surgery to wipe the idiotic grin from my face

sirBiggles wrote:...and that is IF.

Do you think a precedent has now been set, and they should all get honours like the 2003 English side did.

If they dont, surely there is discrimination of sorts...

So if they win it is a minimum of MBEs for the Team, OBE for Sam Our Captain, and OBE for whoever kicks the winning drop goal (assuming it is won that way).

Not forgetting of course a Knighthood for Warren Gatland, who as a New Zealander, and part of the commonwealth can accept it....

No...

England of that time didnt just win the WC, they were ranked number 1 for some time too.

Nathan, are you really suggesting that England got their gongs for being number one in the IRB rankings? Of course it was because they won the World Cup!

I put No because I don't think Gatland should be knighted. The rest of the honours should be the same though.

nathan wrote:
No...

England of that time didnt just win the WC, they were ranked number 1 for some time too.

So let me understand this... England 2003 got awarded their honours for being Ranked No 1 in the IRB rankings and NOT for winning the 2003 World Cup.....

Nice try.... but no banana... Their awards where for winning the 2003 RWC.

Perhaps it was an award for excellence over time, with the world cup being the cherry on the cake?

I know its all if's and but's

But If Wales were to win surely they wouldn't want the awards from the Queen anyway seeing as they hate the thought of being British?

Anyway one step at a time boyo's!

Wales would of course be honoured if they won the world cup. I dont think as much as England were as they haven't shown that consistency yet.

Jonny Wilkinson kicked the winning drop goal, but was also rated player of the world cup. An lets be fair he became a massive rugby icon from these times.

Martin Johnson Captained England for a long time! And Captained them through to world cup.

I think timing has something to do with it as England were pretty much the world #1 the best part of two years before.

Where as 3 months ago no one would have backed Wales to have a shot at the World cup final if they're honest.

If Wales were to win I could see Shane Williams being honoured for his service to Welsh rugby. I just dont think players like Warbuton have been around long enough yet.

Ah sirBiggles, pretend pilot, pretend knowledge of rugby. He hasn't changed.

Far too many celebrates and professional sports people are getting honoured for doing something they are already being generously financially rewarded.

So it's a no off me.

Sir Chris Hoy - what was that about?

HERSH wrote:Sir Chris Hoy - what was that about?

Is this a serious question?

Cymroglan wrote:Far too many celebrates and professional sports people are getting honoured for doing something they are already being generously financially rewarded.

So it's a no off me.

Totally agree.

nathan wrote:

sirBiggles wrote:...and that is IF.

Do you think a precedent has now been set, and they should all get honours like the 2003 English side did.

If they dont, surely there is discrimination of sorts...

So if they win it is a minimum of MBEs for the Team, OBE for Sam Our Captain, and OBE for whoever kicks the winning drop goal (assuming it is won that way).

Not forgetting of course a Knighthood for Warren Gatland, who as a New Zealander, and part of the commonwealth can accept it....

No...

England of that time didnt just win the WC, they were ranked number 1 for some time too.

Oh dear you do know when the Rankings system was implemented don't you?
ouch this is cringe worthy.

As Barry Norman would say 'and why not?'

If a precedent has been set we almost had Sir Brian Ashton. If Wales win and Warren Gatland gets a knighthood there is a tiny riciculous chance that that may also set a precedent - a knighthood for a kiwi coach of the All Blacks (if they win the World Cup again).

I want a knighthood too - Sir Gramlin.

I said no

My reason - it was sickening watching some many honours for sportspeople doing their job. It was mainly due to a Labour government trying to win politicasl favour and was wrong

Celebrate their wins, maybe the odd award to players coming to the end of their careers, but blanket awards cheapen the whole thing

Riskysports wrote:blanket awards cheapen the whole thing

Like Paul Collingwood in 2005, you mean?

yes, the cricket was even worst

Bitter Beer wrote:Ah sirBiggles, pretend pilot, pretend knowledge of rugby. He hasn't changed.

and the purpose of this is...

sirBiggles - Yes, my title is made up... a nickname
pretend pilot - No, real one, but sticks and stones....
pretend knowledge of rugby - Again, a real knowledge of rugby, have played, have watched, have opinions, so pretend ?


You are a Very Bitter Beer arent you....

Ask a reasonable question, reasonable debate... and some people just act like morons....

I will treat your comments with the contempt they deserve...

He did capatin a world cup winning side a few years later though, representing england and wales. So perhaps they should backdate Sir Warburtons awrd to when he was at school.

sirBiggles wrote:

Bitter Beer wrote:Ah sirBiggles, pretend pilot, pretend knowledge of rugby. He hasn't changed.

and the purpose of this is...

sirBiggles - Yes, my title is made up... a nickname
pretend pilot - No, real one, but sticks and stones....
pretend knowledge of rugby - Again, a real knowledge of rugby, have played, have watched, have opinions, so pretend ?


You are a Very Bitter Beer arent you....

Ask a reasonable question, reasonable debate... and some people just act like morons....

I will treat your comments with the contempt they deserve...

We've had this conversation. You couldn't and wouldn't prove your identity as pilot. You are a liar.

This was not a reasonable question, nor was it intended to instigate a reasonable debate. It was a thinly veiled WUM, you havent changed and so yes, you have behaved like a moron.

I will treat your comments with the contempt they deserve...

Bitter beer less with the personal comments please,
you will leave me with no choice but to alert a moderator if you keep calling people insulting names.

sirBiggles wrote:

nathan wrote:
No...

England of that time didnt just win the WC, they were ranked number 1 for some time too.

So let me understand this... England 2003 got awarded their honours for being Ranked No 1 in the IRB rankings and NOT for winning the 2003 World Cup.....

Nice try.... but no banana... Their awards where for winning the 2003 RWC.

Not OR, but AND!

THey got it for winning it AND being the number 1 ranked side. I didnt mention once that they got it just for being ranked number 1!

I suspect if Wales win, they will be the #1 ranked side.

Bitter Beer "You couldn't and wouldn't prove your identity as pilot. You are a liar".... No I chose not to divulge personal information on the web... Doesnt make me a liar...

viewtothegym, thanks for the support, but he (or she) is not worth it...

nathan, point well made...

but I think the honours where for "winning the world cup"... I think I remember that being said when the news broke. But only the team with their awards will now that for a fact.

viewtothegym wrote:Bitter beer less with the personal comments please,
you will leave me with no choice but to alert a moderator if you keep calling people insulting names.

Thats rather rich coming from you, i'd be careful of drawing attention to the actions of others if i were you, since the ice your're walking on is thinner than you think.

sirBiggles wrote:
Do you think a precedent has now been set, and they should all get honours like the 2003 English side did.

Absolutely yes, If Wales win then they should be honoured in the same way as the England team were.

The Wales team should be packed in a bendy bus and wheeled around Swansea & Cardiff and end up in some square so the Welsh fans can celebrate & cheer their team.

There is an argument for awards for the players themselves for services for winning (isn't that what the Winners Medal is for?) but at what level is to be decided by more important people than me.

They should definitely get the keys/freedom to the city.

Why not I say, knock yourselves out and have a party. We did.

sirBiggles wrote:

HERSH wrote:why? Sir Biggles

Because they would have to learn the words....

Its the British, not English anthem we sing it on Lions tours and when we represent Britain in the Olympics...

Rather think a rousing chorus of Bread of Heaven would go down much better though... Its a much nicer tune...

So they want to be British now?

I'm so confused by it all, one min they're saying they're not British so the British media should stop jumping on the Welsh RWC bandwagon, then if they win they want the British honours that England got plus they want a Welsh flag flying above No10 Downing Street this weekend

They definately should but I can't see it. I say they should as the English rugby and cricket (i think) teams got honoured when they won WC's, but generally I don't think sports stars should get knighted unless they've done an absolutely exceptional job for years and years, and these people would be the exception, but as it's happened to other teams then it should happen for all teams.

PS Please note that I'm not saying Wales will win the WC, I don't expect it though it is possible, I'm just saying IF they do.

Hersh who says they don't want to be British?

I'm Welsh and British and proud of both, proud of the heritage and history of both Wales (individually) and Britain as a whole.

I'm confused about where you have heard Wales don't want to be part of Britain, unless you've confused Wales wanting an Assembly to equating to us wanting to form our own independant country - which of course is totally incorrect.

Also for my part I associate GSQ with England as it is the English anthem, I don't personally associate it with Britain.

Smirnoffpriest wrote:
Also for my part I associate GSQ with England as it is the English anthem, I don't personally associate it with Britain.

I always think of it as the British Anthem and would really like the English not to sing it, but have there own tune like Wales & Scotland have. I like bread of heaven.

Own personal favourite would be Land Of Hope & Glory....

...not a huge fan of Jeruselem as I think it is a bit of dirge.

Maybe we could have Benny Hill.. or... Bad Boys!

Lets be honest if Wales did fluke it, then they should get the same as what England got,



Never ending hatred from every rugby nation in the world.

8+ years of not knowing your best XV.

A succession of Coaches and managers.

Never ending injuries to your best players which go on and on.

Priestland the next best thing, starts dating Kelly Brook and moves to Aus after football trials with QPR.

Cheap tacky music after every try you score at home.

Real fans priced out of International matches due to corporate tickets filling three quarters of the stadium.

The IRB are out to get you by appointing poor Refs to award penalty after penalty at the breakdown despite not doing anything wrong, don’t even mention the TMO’s.

HERSH wrote:Lets be honest if Wales did fluke it, then they should get the same as what England got,



Never ending hatred from every rugby nation in the world.

8+ years of not knowing your best XV.

A succession of Coaches and managers.

Never ending injuries to your best players which go on and on.

Priestland the next best thing, starts dating Kelly Brook and moves to Aus after football trials with QPR.

Cheap tacky music after every try you score at home.

Real fans priced out of International matches due to corporate tickets filling three quarters of the stadium.

The IRB are out to get you by appointing poor Refs to award penalty after penalty at the breakdown despite not doing anything wrong, don’t even mention the TMO’s.

Erm we have this anyway

Hersh, I'm of welsh heritage but was born in Twickenham, I consider myself Welsh but do not hide where I was actually born, as such I consider myself British. You can't say that every Welshman refuses to be British.

HERSH wrote:
The IRB are out to get you by appointing poor Refs to award penalty after penalty at the breakdown despite not doing anything wrong, don’t even mention the TMO’s.

Surely not the English whinging about the referees after being dumped out in the 1/4 final? I thought we just listened to 4 years of English fans telling NZ to man up and get over it.

"You should have been good enough to win anyway" I think was the line most oft-heard.

"If you blame the refs and don't look at yourself, you'll never improve" was another.

"Not mentally strong enough" was a third.