Winter Eclectic rules discussion

Who was it that ran this last year? Is it being done again this year?

I didn't play last year due to injury but I'd be up for it this year

Was it OS or OP that was the officiator of this last year with JD prevailing.

Sounds like a good plan, maybe less than the 8 rounds of last time as many struggled to complete them but i'd be up for it indeed.

yep me too, can't possibly do any worse than last year!

Who is the reigning champ, isn't it LJ??

count me in.

I'm in and think it was JD who pipped me at the post, with OP running it, as I think he was out injured

Guess the first thing to do is get a volunteer to run it and set the rules..

then get a list of players, we can get a sticky up and chart how well the leader board is going.

OldShanker ran the show.

Last year between November 15(?) and March 31 you submitted 8 cards from which your eclectic score was calculated. You had to declare prior to playing that you were entering a new card to count for the eclectic. I believe cards were to be signed as if it were a regular comp.

Normal rules of golf applied, no gimmes allowed seeing as most cards might have been submitted from bounce games.

O/S then had some kind of funky formula that tried to even out par for everybody, I know it screwed me and I was additionally handicapped in that I had to play all my games within a very short period of time. I only managed to get 7 games in before my course closed in early December and then it didn't reopen until after April 1. Cheated, I tell you, cheated...



Not that I'm bitter and twisted about it...

Anyone object then If i puit something together and run it for all if OS is not able to, means I can't play in it as that wouldn't be fair but happy to organise for others if we all want to play it

As long as the rules are agreed beforehand I don't see why you shouldn't play yourself Mav

Davie wrote:As long as the rules are agreed beforehand I don't see why you shouldn't play yourself Mav

Just think in fairness for all it's better if the organiser isn't involved in playing as some may think i'm doctoring scores..

But will look at putting something together.... Need to see how much interest we can generate so i'll look at seeing if we can get numbers together..

Need names as definites to play

Mav, no need to take yourself out of the running. I'm happy to run it as I have no opportunity to enter. Not that I'm begrudging you guys (replace with lucky bar stewards) whatsoever.

Count me in - but I feel we should trust you as organizer to enter your own scores. Lets face it, it will all be on trust anyway (we won't actually be snail-mailing the scorecards in so signing the cards isn't necessry - we will all be taken on trust)

Sounds good to me GG. If you need any help let me know.

So how we going to get this off the ground

I've got no issues whatsoever with the organiser entering as well. It's only a bit of fun and all the winner gets is bragging rights.

And it's all done on trust anyway as there is no way of validating peoples scores.

Davie last year the cards were scanned and emailed to O/S.

Mav - thanks for the offer, I'll reach out to O/S see what his "fix it" formula was.

I'm thinking together we set rules and format. I'll need scorecards from participants so I can prepare the spreadsheet and we can kick it off sometime later this month.

Entries so far:

Maverick
Davie
drive4show
Ban_Bam
Doc

Any other takers????

I don't have access to a scanner so it would have to just be emailed numbers though I can give you full scorecard details to start with

Same here, don't own a scanner anymore, but can either email through the same thing i did for os or take what will be a likely poor qualilty picture with the camera phone

As a starting point for the rules, I'd suggest that as many people will be playing bounce games/stableford type scores that something like a triple bogey is the "default" score for a hole - so anything not holed out/gimmes/pickups get that default score. Only holes correctly holed out can be counted but over winter games I can't imaging many people being able to get in 7 or 8 cards under proper full medal conditions

Got to go play with a real spreadsheet now so will be off of this thread for a while.

How about open discussion for rules, that way I just have to implement them?

Once rules and format are agreed I will create a new thread for the Winter Eclectic Invitational

I'd be interested; should be a laugh.

Yes count me in, did not get all my cards in last year due to the weather, but lets hope for a far milder winter

I ran an eclectic for our group this year for club comps. Generally everyone evened out their scores over 5-6 rounds with only a few improvements thereafter. Handicap allowance was half your lowest exact handicap recorded over the season. This worked well for our group (handicap range 5-24). However it still favours the lower handicapper slightly.

I'd suggest in addition, that a reduction in the number of cards submitted for players of greater ability would be appropriate to help level the playing field. Something along the lines of: max 3 cards submitted by cat 1s (5 or below), max 4 cards for cat 2s (6-12?), 5 cards for cat 3s, and 6 for cat 4s.

No problem with using the same rules as last year, and I have no problems with the organiser playing, it's only for a bit of fun anyway. OS didn't play last year but there was still collusion going on as OS was deffo giving JD one

Entrants just need an email addy so that cards can be emailed through. I used a simple exel spreadsheet to create my score card, which was replica, including SI and par etc, and remember to let the organiser know your handicap, as he made some serious cuts to some of us last time out.

sounds like a bit of fun can count me in! not sure how many times ill get 18 holes in as our cometitions are down to 12 holes but ill give it a go!

Sounds like fun, but I don't have my scanner up and running at the moment.

Mary wrote:Sounds like fun, but I don't have my scanner up and running at the moment.

You don't need it Mary, just do it on exel: hole - yards - par - SI and email it through to whoever is organising it. All you need then do is email your gross scores for each hole through after each round. Keep a record of your scores, and each time you play just email through the scores for the holes you've improved on.

I would be interested,

i do not have an official handicap though, if that makes a difference.

Nay Bother wrote:I would be interested,

i do not have an official handicap though, if that makes a difference.

sure it'll be fine nb, you'll just play off scratch [!]

no worries, i think i once got a par

Cheers Doc - think I can get my head around that. Count me in please.

Count me in! I seem to remember last year photographing my first card with my camera phone and sending it to OS. After that we just emailed the intention to complete a round and the improvements if any afterwards. It was all done on trust. I didn't get my 8 rounds in either.

Entries so far:

Davie
Maverick
drive4show
Ban_Bam
Doc
NavyBlueShorts
OldParwin
Hend085
Mary
Nay Bother
GolferMartin


These are last year's rules:

1) The format is to be an eclectic strokeplay over 8 rounds to be taken before March 31 st 2011.

2) For the first card, I will need either a scan, photo or detailed score card giving your score, Par, the SI and your handicap, via email.

3) DNF’s on the first card will count as 9, after the first card, I will just need the hole numbers where you have bettered your previous score, and of course the score.

4) If you do not keep a tally yourself, then each round will need a full scorecard.

5) I will be adjusting your competition handicaps either up or down depending on your results if it is needed. I’m not sure exactly how this is going to work at the moment, will probably just ‘wing it’.

6) We will start with ¾ handicap rounded up from 0.5

7) Your rounds can be bounce or competition, it is totally up to you. Just remember to drop me an email before you do the round nominating it as part of your eclectic group.

8) I will post any results onto the 606 board hopefully weekly, so all can see what they have to do to make up places.

9) Gimmies – I know some of you never play gimmies whereas others do and the groups they play in expect it. Play the round as you would normally, but I would suggest that if you are putting to better your previous score on that hole, then the ball needs to drop

10) Start date is…………..The day after Remembrance Sunday. Monday 14 th November.



11) Hopefully these are all the rules we need to enjoy ourselves. Remember, this is supposed to be just a bit of fun, but hopefully it will get exciting at some stage.


Please let me know which rules we should keep and which we should amend.

I thought Ban_Bam's idea of increasing the number of cards by handicap range was a good one; I thought maybe having 4/5/6/7

Thoughts please people? This is your competition, remember this is for the glory of 606v2...

Happy to follow any of those rules even the one about different number of cards so all I need is an email address to send my card to

I'm in.

I don't think I ever saw the full rules last year as I had a foot injury that was going to stop me from playing but they look pretty good to me - and incorporate already the couple of earlier suggestions I made

I keep my own eclectic results for purely my own interest so should be able to submit a first card (with lots of 9s I expect!) then add the improvements as they come.

I'd vote for keeping those rules pretty much as they are unless anyone has any improvements

Thats sounds cool, as i have said dont have handicap

I was thinking as average round is between 95 - 100+ with occasional better round, That between 20 to 22, 3/4 of that would be 15 - 16.

Though happy for it to be whatever.

And a silly question does it matter what tees we play from, as i always play from yellow, will change if need be

NB - I'd guess if you send in your full card the first time, then your scores can be adjusted for the yellows as that is likely to have a different SSS from the whites. I'm sure 1GG can clarify that though

And I also propose the motion that as you have no official handicap, from the scores you mention, you should be off single figures :P

count me in too

anything to keep some interest going during the winter is good.

one question tho...i play two different courses at my club. would i need to choose one course ?

Mav and others - I have an email attached to my profile, I think if you click the envelope you can email me.

Nay Bother - We'll start with 15 but I will refer to rule 5 and winging it could come into play!!

Lieger - Probably best to pick one, especially if they have different pars

Davie - can you please amend the title of this thread to Winter Ecletic rules discussion?

If possible could you add a poll to see what people's thoughts are on the number of cards, less chances for low handicappers and more chances for higher handicappers.

I don't want to create a load of confusion by creating a new thread so soon. My thoughts are to create a new one with the finalised rules, entry list and sign up.

Thanks, Grumpy

Right...I'm in this year, said I would last year and never quite followed through...This year....I'm after the bragging rights

With Marcus, Lieger Woods and JAS joining in the show we have 14 participants contesting the 2nd annual 606 Winter Eclectic.

What are the thoughts on limiting cards for lower handicappers?

Thread title changed and poll added

Looks like the number of participents may increase further still, may need 2 divisions with a Q school at this rate

Limited cards i'm ok with that how many for each category

do you keep your hcap through the competition ?

Surely the whole point of the handicap system is to put lower and higher handicap players on an equal footing, therefore the number of eligible rounds should remain equal for both.

I'm off 28, by the way.

Top Man Davie, appreciate it

marcus, please don't take this the wrong way, but: lying bar steward.

I think we knock off the last digit and maybe take 1 or 2 off the remaining one

1GrumpyGolfer wrote:

Nay Bother - We'll start with 15 but I will refer to rule 5 and winging it could come into play!!

thats cool

Grumps:

Is not allowing me to attach anything to the email when I do it via the email option on here, is there another address I can send it to.

Also for purposes of fair playing field due to ahem..recent comeback from injury can I seek medical exemption to claim a few shots back