Winter Eclectic rules discussion

First topic message reminder :

Who was it that ran this last year? Is it being done again this year?

I didn't play last year due to injury but I'd be up for it this year

1GrumpyGolfer wrote:marcus, please don't take this the wrong way, but: lying bar steward.

I think we knock off the last digit and maybe take 1 or 2 off the remaining one

Ok, how about if you let me play off 28 I'll hack my way around playing left handed?

Put my name down for it.

Yeah, why are the low guys being limited to fewer cards? We've got it difficult enough as it is

Mav, that's a bit poo. PM me I'll provide the email address.

I'm actually on D4S's email list; look for Alex and USA.

Nice try Marcus. Next you'll tell me you're from the Far east and will want to play from the reds!

Go right right-handed and you can play off half of that. Must be witnessed by the four other folders in you foursome for the score to count.

D4S it was a suggestion that was made by Ban_Bam. I thought it had some merit so put it up for consideration. Maybe it would work better if handicaps didn't come into play. Anyway it's up for discussion and will be up to the participants.

i'll look On the contact list then GG: Any chance of that medical exemption saY give me 6 shots back

1GrumpyGolfer wrote:Davie last year the cards were scanned and emailed to O/S.

Mav - thanks for the offer, I'll reach out to O/S see what his "fix it" formula was.

I'm thinking together we set rules and format. I'll need scorecards from participants so I can prepare the spreadsheet and we can kick it off sometime later this month.

Entries so far:

Maverick
Davie
drive4show
Ban_Bam
Doc

Any other takers????

Count me in

So NST and Mercurio have joined the party. Glad to have you aboard.

Mav I think you're pushing your luck there. But if you want to play off plus 6 it's your decision. Course record holder too pfft

So - Another sparkling winter eclectic is being planned.

Below is the final list from last year and 1 or 2 of these have dropped by the wayside.

1) JDandFries – 17 under par
2) Doc – 16 under par
3) TheShanker – 15.78 under par
4)1GrumpyGolfer – 12.64 under par
5) LondonJonnyo – 12 under par
6) Mercurio – 11.33 under par
7) Drives4Show – 10.69 under par
8) NoShankinTonight – 9.86 under par - (I'm not sure where the cool symbol came from, it's not in my text)
9) TheSetupdeterminesthemotion – 9.58 under par
10) SmithersJones – 9 under par
11) Rossa – 8.75 under par
12) Maverick – 7.89 under par
13) GolferMartin – 5.5 under par
14) OPW – level par

I
therefore declare JDandFries the winner of the 2010/2011 606 Winter
Eclectic Competition and consequently permitted to change name if wanted
to:

JDandFries – Winner 606 Eclectic 2010/2011

I was trying for a winners roll at the top of the page, but that seemed to be forgotten in the excitement.

Enjoy the games everyone - 1GG, I'll PM you.

Grumpy, a load of us scanned and emailed the score cards to O/S. Alternatively, we could just give you the link to our home courses; i.e www.nauntondowns.co.uk is mine See those 19 years working in British Intelligence weren't entirely wasted

Oh well was worth a try...

Have PM'd you as cannot locate my USB that has the contact list on.

Thanks OS.

Lieger - last years merriment did have handicaps sliced and diced. Some quite harshly too.

Mav about your medical exemption. I think we can make an exception an allow a nurse to accompany you.

oldshanker wrote:So - Another sparkling winter eclectic is being planned.

Below is the final list from last year and 1 or 2 of these have dropped by the wayside.

1) JDandFries – 17 under par
2) Doc – 16 under par
3) TheShanker – 15.78 under par
4)1GrumpyGolfer – 12.64 under par
5) LondonJonnyo – 12 under par
6) Mercurio – 11.33 under par
7) Drives4Show – 10.69 under par
8) NoShankinTonight – 9.86 under par - (I'm not sure where the cool symbol came from, it's not in my text)
9) TheSetupdeterminesthemotion – 9.58 under par
10) SmithersJones – 9 under par
11) Rossa – 8.75 under par
12) Maverick – 7.89 under par
13) GolferMartin – 5.5 under par
14) OPW – level par

I
therefore declare JDandFries the winner of the 2010/2011 606 Winter
Eclectic Competition and consequently permitted to change name if wanted
to:

JDandFries – Winner 606 Eclectic 2010/2011

I was trying for a winners roll at the top of the page, but that seemed to be forgotten in the excitement.

Enjoy the games everyone - 1GG, I'll PM you.

I propose all those that finished last year in 11th place or better be subject to a cut Mind you quite happy with mine considering I only managed 2 cards out of the required 8..

Grumpy - if last year is anything to go by.... from now until March you can expect unadalterated snivelling and @rse licking from those desperate for bragging rights You are the so don't be taken in by their wily weasily ways

NST if O/S is kind he might send me his stuff from last year.

NST. It's amazing isn't it all these bleeding low handicappers trying it on. Think I might have to take the magic pencil to their handicaps.

Mav PM sent back

Sent you my card GG, also included exact handicap as wasn't sure if you would need it or not.

Now where did I put that magic pencil and rubber.

The only thing putting me off participating in this is that our winter greens are rubbish. I never hole out, anything inside 18 inches is lifted. We get a lot of rain in the winter (usually a long winter at that) and the greens just end up a soggy, bumpy nightmare.I can't see myself having handed in 8 cards by the end of March.

From the sound of it Mav I don't think you'll find a rubber as you have never seem to have bought any

What is it you want 1GG? Probably best for individuals to email you with handicap, par and SI for each hole on the course they are going to use. Then I found it better if the complete card was submitted for each round, but just holes where the score better does work and a change of course is unfortunate, but completely unworkable.

It's tricky enough that everyone plays on different courses

1GrumpyGolfer wrote:From the sound of it Mav I don't think you'll find a rubber as you have never seem to have bought any

Well as the smallest Mav is barely 3 weeks old, Mrs Mav won't want me near her now for while so can dedicate my time to playing the eclecltic.. oh and maybe investigate that operation she wants me to have now

Red. I seem to have lost a post. It's only for poopies and giggles many people, myself included, didn't make the 8 rounds last year. Get yourself entered you know you want to.

OS I think NST was being a bit lazy and making me do all the work! Well nearly all the work. Bloody cheek just because I haven't got any golf to play doesn't mean I'm going to sit around all day and work this thing out.

NST lazy!! That doesn't sound like him at all!

Hi all count me in who do I need to contact?

theshanker wrote:Hi all count me in who do I need to contact?

Shanks I think it's 1 grumpygolfer, so I've just emailed him a blank card

Count me in please guys

Can someone PM me the contact list so i can email the necessary?

not sure i'm in favour of handicap amendments during the comp unless there's a particular system behind it. i doubt 'winging it' will provide much consistency!

drive, having run an eclectic for my group this year it seems clear to me that the lower the handicap, the quicker you will be to improve on your scoring - hence my suggestion for reducing the number of cards submittable based on hcap. just had a wee look back at the website i based our handicap allowance on and it suggests the following:

"If played over two rounds, each competitor deducts 5/6ths of the full handicap from the Eclectic score for the two rounds. If played over three rounds deduct 4/5ths of the handicap from the Eclectic score. If played over four rounds deduct ¾, five rounds 2/3 and six or more rounds, a half."

I'd be in favour of the 2/3 for 5, or 1/2 for 6 rounds personally. Also, gross scores on each hole with a handicap subtraction from the total score, rather than nett scores on each hole makes it far more straightforward.

MPB and the Shanker you're in and PM's sent

Count me in...though after last year where the snow wiped almost all my play...

Grumps - PM sent.

Setup - sent you a PM

Mary copied you in on it because I'm lazy and yours hadn't shown up yet

Cheers - e-mail sent.

Hi 1GG (and all)

would like to enter as well if possible. Not really said a main hello to all but have posted a couple of times and had the pleasure of meeting a few of the gang a couple of years back at Bournemouth.
Play on South coast at Lee on the Solent (home to Ryder cupper Steve Richardson for those with a long memory - Kiawah'91), currently off 6 and would be good to have something to keep the interest alive over the winter.

1GG - not sure what the setup is you're running but I've a Excel spreadsheet that we used for a local eclectic that runs to 9 cards that I'd be happy to send if you'd like a look?

Ban_Bam.

Winging it was taken straight from last year's rules. Based on essential research (OldShanker) it will be difficult to judge what the best thing to do would be. Low handicappers have less to play with, you're all playing on different courses and at different times. Last year I tried to get all my games in before the course was shut down, didn't happen, and that was before some people had even started.

It will be total of best gross scores less handicap and then adjusted to allow for different total par.

If it was to be played off scratch I think the lower handicappers should have less chances to improve and the higher handicappers more chances.

Turnip, welcome aboard, I'll send you a PM with my details.

If it was to be played off scratch I think the lower handicappers should have less chances to improve and the higher handicappers more chances

If it was played off scratch then you'd need to look at have 2 seperate divisions as that wouldn't be fair competition for all. At least if it's played with some sort of handicap allowance it balances the field making it enjoyable for everyone

agreed mav. judging by the response to the poll, perhaps best to forget the option of less/more cards based on handicap. my inclination would be to choose how many counting rounds there ought to be ( 5 or 6 ), and set everyone's handicap allowance at the beginning with no cuts. at least then there is a consistent playing field to start with. then adjusting scores as you say to suit each courses sss (rather than par) as appropriate.

finally, how do we make sss adjustments for winter greens??!!! our yellow tees measure 6247, with par 72, sss 70. when all winter greens are in play this reduces to about 5400 as you're losing almost 50 yards on each hole! i'd guess our par would change to 68, with sss about 66-67...

ban_bam wrote:
"If played over two rounds, each competitor deducts 5/6ths of the full handicap from the Eclectic score for the two rounds. If played over three rounds deduct 4/5ths of the handicap from the Eclectic score. If played over four rounds deduct ¾, five rounds 2/3 and six or more rounds, a half."

That handicapping system actually works in favour of the lower handicappers. If played over 6 rounds, I only lose 2.5 shots whereas a 28 handicapper looses 14 shots

Anyway, handicaps are there for a reason, the lower you go the harder it is to play to it.

Leave as is, it's a tried and tested system.

I think you may need a masters degree in Maths to work all this out.

Leave well alone.

Simples....

1GrumpyGolfer wrote:MPB and the Shanker you're in and PM's sent

Cheers buddy

Hi 1GrumpyGolfer,

May I play in this too please? I've sent you an email thingy with my course details in the hope that the answer is yes.

Hibbz

Hibbz,

Seeing as you asked so nicely, no! Just kidding, of course the more the merrier.

Emailed you back.

Grumpy

1GrumpyGolfer wrote:Hibbz,

Seeing as you asked so nicely, no! Just kidding, of course the more the merrier.

Emailed you back.

Grumpy

Got it and thank you.

Hibbz, I assume you're going to be double checking Mav's scores??

I think we are close to finalising the rules:

1) The format is to be an eclectic strokeplay over a maximum of 8 rounds to be taken before March 31st 2011.

2) For the first card, I will need either a scan, photo or detailed score card giving your score, Par, the SI and your handicap, via email.
PM me or send email and I will reply confirming email if necessary

3) DNF’s on the first card will count as 9, after the first card, I will just need the hole numbers where you have bettered your previous score, and of course the score.

4) If you do not keep a tally yourself, then each round will need a full scorecard.

5) ¾ handicap rounded up from 0.5. There will be no handicap adjustment unless you appear to be a complete bandit and have manipulated your handicap.

6) Par and SSS ratings for courses will undergo an entirely scientific process to equalize any differences. I will not make this up as I go along, I promise

7) Your rounds can be bounce or competition, it is totally up to you. Just have to nominate it prior to playing. Email, PM or post to the Eclectic thread.

8) I will post any results onto the board, hopefully weekly, so all can see what they have to do to make up places.

9) Gimmies – I know some of you never play gimmies whereas others do and the groups they play in expect it. Play the round as you would normally, but I would suggest that if you are putting to better your previous score on that hole, then the ball needs to drop

10) Start date is…………..The day after Remembrance Sunday. Monday 14th November.

11) Hopefully these are all the rules we need for you to enjoy yourselves. Remember, this is supposed to be just a bit of fun, and hopefully it will get exciting at some stage. However I am the judge, jury, executioner, cook, cleaner, slow poster and other choice words and phrases

I'll create a new thread over the weekend confirming all the rules, entrants and will also note who has supplied their handicap and course details.

Grumpy

MustPuttBetter wrote:Hibbz, I assume you're going to be double checking Mav's scores??

With a fine toothcomb no doubt. It's sh1t's and giggles

Maverick wrote:

MustPuttBetter wrote:Hibbz, I assume you're going to be double checking Mav's scores?? :whistle:

With a fine toothcomb no doubt. It's sh1t's and giggles

Nah I prefer to use a fine toothed-comb.