England ODI squad

So with the ODI'S coming up, who would be in your squad....i will name my starting side, and the 4 reserves...

1.Cook (c)
2.Hales
3.Trott
4.KP
5.Morgan
6.Buttler (wk) (in ridiclously good form for the lions, in spinning conditions)
7.Patel/bresnan
8.Swann
9.Broad
10.Dernbach
11.Finn/Borthwick
12.Anderson
13.Bopara
14.Bairstow
15.Taylor

bumped now the series if offcially over...

looking towards to the odi series.

Better than Botham's selection anyway.

Silly beggar wants to dump Cook ... I mean , you can argue he might not be the perfect ODI captain but he's not done a lot wrong in the brief time he's had the job. Not smart to flip captains every other series just because they lose a few matches in India -never build a decent team that way.

I stop listening to Botham - worse than Boycott.

Your team will do me if we dump Dernbach - reckon there are plenty better.

Cook
Davies
KP
Trott
Morgan
Buttler
Bresnan
Broad
Swann
Finn
Panesar

Without thinking about it too much this is my orginal thought for a side that realistically won't include a host of changes. The worry is that it doesn't really include a fill in 6th bowler although Trott/KP may be able to turn their arms over. I like having 5 proper bowlers rather than relying on Patel to bowl 10 when he isn't a genuine all rounder in my eyes in terms of his threat to be able to take wickets, plus I don't rate his batting that highly. I wanted Buttler in their as I think he deserves a shot after his Lions tour and is a better player than Stokes/Bairstow who have both been given a chance already. I suppose the Davies choice is Surrey bias but he's been out there for the whole tour and never deserved to be dropped in the first place. I imagine Kieswetter will play though.

I'd go for:

A Cook (c)
S Davies (wk)
J Trott
K Pietersen
E Morgan
J Buttler
S Patel
T Bresnan
S Broad
G Swann
S Finn

J Bairstow
L Wright
S Borthwick
S Meaker

why would you have meaker JB?

It doesn't matter which players England now choose for the ODI matches as none of them can play turning spin bowlers to save their own backsides.

gboycottnut wrote:It doesn't matter which players England now choose for the ODI matches as none of them can play turning spin bowlers to save their own backsides.

:facepalm...clearly you havent seen the lions scores...

buttler and root etc..have been scoring runs for fun IN sri lanka!

cricketfan90 wrote:

gboycottnut wrote:It doesn't matter which players England now choose for the ODI matches as none of them can play turning spin bowlers to save their own backsides.

:facepalm...clearly you havent seen the lions scores...

buttler and root etc..have been scoring runs for fun IN sri lanka!

Scoring runs for fun V Sri Lanka is one thing. Doing it against Pakistan is another.

Buttler needs to play, simple really

A comment made by Geoff Boycott on channel 5's highlights show in reference to the Pakistani batsmen's inability to score runs at the end of the first test in 2010 when Pakistan then got easily rolled over by England's bowlers. "If you can't bat, then you are never going to win no matter what your bowlers do". How things have suddenly changed since then and it is now the boot firmly on the other foot with England's batsmen unable to do the batting and scoring!

KP
Cook
Trott
Morgan
Kieswetter
Patel
Buttler
Bresnan
Broad
Swann
Finn

Woakes
Briggs
And any 2 of Davies, Bairstow, Ali, Maynard, Root, Hales, Roy.

Ideally:

KP
Cook
Trott
Morgan
Taylor
Buttler (wk)
Patel, on turning wickets
Bresnan
Broad
Swann
Finn

What it will probably be:

Cook
Kieswetter (wk)
Trott
KP
Morgan
Buttler
Patel
Bresnan, if fit.
Broad
Swann
Finn

Which doesn't look to bad on paper, and they might play spin better in ODI's because they actually have to get after it instead of letting them be bowled at!*

*very unlikely to happen

Buttler's form against Sri Lanka A won't mean nothing against Ajmal, Afridi and Gul, He won't be given the chance to just slog wildly by the Pakistanis.

Better to be in form than like KP, Bell and Mogs are tho demon

Gregers wrote:Better to be in form than like KP, Bell and Mogs are tho demon

I was just putting Buttler's form into perspective. If he gets worked over by Pakistan, everyone will want him dropped.

I wont want him dropped

Cook (c)
Kieswetter (wk)
Pietersen
Trott
Morgan
Buttler
Patel
Bresnan
Broad
Swann
Anderson

Bopara
Borthwick
Finn
Onions

Not a radical change from me but Buttler (star for England Lions and looks like a world class one-day finisher already when playing for Somerset, unlucky not to get a good bat in the T20 matches he has played) replaces Bairstow (out of form both in India and for Lions) and Anderson returns for Finn (harsh decision but I don't want to get carried away about Finn in one-day cricket and still think Jimmy has a lot to offer). Onions gets his place as a good bowler in the conditions,as somebody whose been in the UAE for a month and, for me, a better option than Dernbach (overrated I think), Meaker (picked too early) and Woakes (poor Lions trip). Buck and Brooks, who aren't really spoken of as England prospects, have actually been the best seamers in Bangladesh and Sri Lanka whilst Dernbach and Woakes have been very poor statistically.

Shelsey93 wrote:Cook (c)
Kieswetter (wk)
Pietersen
Trott
Morgan
Buttler
Patel
Bresnan
Broad
Swann
Anderson

Bopara
Borthwick
Finn
Onions

Not a radical change from me but Buttler (star for England Lions and looks like a world class one-day finisher already when playing for Somerset, unlucky not to get a good bat in the T20 matches he has played) replaces Bairstow (out of form both in India and for Lions) and Anderson returns for Finn (harsh decision but I don't want to get carried away about Finn in one-day cricket and still think Jimmy has a lot to offer). Onions gets his place as a good bowler in the conditions,as somebody whose been in the UAE for a month and, for me, a better option than Dernbach (overrated I think), Meaker (picked too early) and Woakes (poor Lions trip). Buck and Brooks, who aren't really spoken of as England prospects, have actually been the best seamers in Bangladesh and Sri Lanka whilst Dernbach and Woakes have been very poor statistically.

Pakistan are pretty mediocre against really fast bowling, so I'd have Finn as 1st choice

Demon Racer wrote:

Shelsey93 wrote:Cook (c)
Kieswetter (wk)
Pietersen
Trott
Morgan
Buttler
Patel
Bresnan
Broad
Swann
Anderson

Bopara
Borthwick
Finn
Onions

Not a radical change from me but Buttler (star for England Lions and looks like a world class one-day finisher already when playing for Somerset, unlucky not to get a good bat in the T20 matches he has played) replaces Bairstow (out of form both in India and for Lions) and Anderson returns for Finn (harsh decision but I don't want to get carried away about Finn in one-day cricket and still think Jimmy has a lot to offer). Onions gets his place as a good bowler in the conditions,as somebody whose been in the UAE for a month and, for me, a better option than Dernbach (overrated I think), Meaker (picked too early) and Woakes (poor Lions trip). Buck and Brooks, who aren't really spoken of as England prospects, have actually been the best seamers in Bangladesh and Sri Lanka whilst Dernbach and Woakes have been very poor statistically.

Pakistan are pretty mediocre against really fast bowling, so I'd have Finn as 1st choice

Tough one as I say. I'm really not that bothered on whether Finn or Anderson plays.

I'd be surprised if Anderson gets dropped, most constant pace bowler for the last 24 months for us.

Shelsey93 wrote:

Tough one as I say. I'm really not that bothered on whether Finn or Anderson plays.

I'm a big fan of Finn, he's very exciting.

Demon Racer wrote:Buttler's form against Sri Lanka A won't mean nothing against Ajmal, Afridi and Gul, He won't be given the chance to just slog wildly by the Pakistanis.

i love how buttler jst gets described as a wild slogger by someone whos probably never seen him play

he plays proper cricket shots, is capable of building an innings and actually has a very orthodox technique

just because he made his name as a youngster in t20 doesn't mean hes a slogger. hes still only 21 and with the technique he has i reckon he could develop into a very good player in all 3 formats

Best thing about Buttler considering when he usually comes in for his innings is his ability to pace his innings so you feel that the side he's in are never out of the game while he's there, more often than not keeps along with the run rate and has a bast majority of shots in his arsenal as well.

These are the squads

ODIs: Alastair Cook (capt), James Anderson, Jonny Bairstow (wk), Ravi Bopara, Tim Bresnan, Danny Briggs, Stuart Broad, Jos Buttler, Jade Dernbach, Steven Finn, Craig Kieswetter (wk), Eoin Morgan, Samit Patel, Kevin Pietersen, Graeme Swann, Jonathan Trott

Twenty20s: Stuart Broad (capt), James Anderson, Jonny Bairstow (wk), Ravi Bopara, Tim Bresnan, Danny Briggs, Jos Buttler, Jade Dernbach, Steven Finn, Alex Hales, Craig Kieswetter (wk), Eoin Morgan, Samit Patel, Kevin Pietersen, Graeme Swann

Theres a heck of a lot of options for England. Youd think they want Brsenan, Broad, Anderson in there...but Dernbach would be considered a speacialist for these kind of conditions. Having a destructive bowler like Finn can be a real match winner, but on slowish wickets with little bounce? Morgan and Pietersen have been in rank form, but can you imagine them not starting ( Morgan a no brainer, KP less certain). Again Englands problem of lacking batsmen who can really bowl effectivly comes into play, do you stick Ravi in just for the "option" or rely on the likes of Trott and KP? Even with the likes of Briggs and Bresnan you wouldnt consider them able to bat 6? If England have Cook and Trott at the top do they need Keiswetter to open with them, and do they need a finsiher in Buttler? If Keiwetter plays is Bairstow good enough to be a speacilist batsman ( or vice versa)? Samit Patel, sigh, but how else can England get two spinners in the side without having a tail?

My ODI Side
Cook
Keisswetter
Trott
Pietersen
Morgan
Buttler
Bresnan
Broad
Swann
Briggs
Anderson

kieswetter has been batting in the middle order for the lions in the games against SL A so i think that might mean he will do the same IF he keeps his spot. would be surprised if they moved him away from opening, where he has done all his batting previously in ODIs, for the lions then move him back to open for the full team.

kieswetter was also doing the keeping for the lions with buttler playing as a batsman only, which again would suggest kieswetter will play behind the stumps. whilst i think buttler has to play i am not sure if there is a place for both him an kieswetter in the final XI.

i would also be surprised if bopara or patel are not picked, or maybe both, to cover the 5th/6th bowling options as i think england would worry about only having trott and KP as part-time bowling options.

rich, intersting about Keissweter, but didnt the Lions take two speacilist openers that are being groomned as potential test players?

Im just wonderingw ho else would open? Cook and Trott? Who adds the steel in the middle if theres an early wobble?

With the Patel/Bopara issue yeah the support bowling is an issue Id mentioned. I dont see Patel as good enough to be the second spinner and a front 5 bowler, so a batsman would have to go for him or Bopara.

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:rich, intersting about Keissweter, but didnt the Lions take two speacilist openers that are being groomned as potential test players?

Im just wonderingw ho else would open? Cook and Trott? Who adds the steel in the middle if theres an early wobble?

With the Patel/Bopara issue yeah the support bowling is an issue Id mentioned. I dont see Patel as good enough to be the second spinner and a front 5 bowler, so a batsman would have to go for him or Bopara.

i think KP will open with cook, he was fairly successful there in the world cup until he got injured

i have never been a fan of kieswetter opening in ODIs, i dont think hes good enough to bat there, whereas he might do better in the middle order, personally i wouldn't play him at all. yeah we did have two specialist openers in SL but having said that kieswetter has played almost all of his list A cricket as an opener as well.

i think patel even got tried as an opener in one of the games for the lions btw.

Flower has confirmed that KP will open. We are looking at something like:

Cook
KP
Trott
Morgan
Kieswetter
Buttler
Bresnan
Broad
Swann
Briggs
Finn/Anderson

I have a feeling Patel will play but like I said before I want Buttler in the team and I'd rather have 5 proper bowlers to bowl the 50, Trott/KP can back up if necessary.

Cook (c)
Kp
Trott
Morgan
Kieswetter
Buttler
Patel
Bresnan
Broad
Swann
Finn


40 overs from the main bowlers and then get 10 out of Patel/Trott/KP although i think Patel will get through 10 as he has been mostly doing in SL. Very strong mid-late order with Swann at 10 but little concerned with Morgan & Kies 4&5.
I'd prefer to go with Taylor at 5 but I wouldnt want to give Buttler the gloves just yet in international cricket. So at some point towards the end it might be worth giving Taylor and Briggs a go and rest someone - KP and Swann?

KP opening? Wow brave call given the mess hes been in recently.

Greggers will love this.

At least he won't be coming in against the spinners, unless they open with spin so he might have played himself in a bit before he has to face them. I'd quite like England to be a bit flexible with the order to try and prevent both Trott and Cook batting together, so if KP was out first send in Morgan as opposed to Trott for example.

Opening with spin against KP would be exciteing to watch, with the fielding restrictions it would force him into attack mode.

Could be some fireworks, which I guess is what hed be in that role for.

KP is better if hes aggressive against spin, even SLA, its when he tries to defend he gets out to them mostly

Taylor shouldn't be anywhere near the squad for this series, so I'm glad he's been left out. He has been one of the worst batsmen for the lions over winter. Look at him again come the summer as I believe he does have an England future.

from the squad thats been announced i would go with

1.Cook
2.KP
3.Trott
4.Bopara
5.Morgan
6.Buttler (wk)
7.Patel
8.Bresnan
9.Swann
10.Broad
11.Dernbach/Finn

KP to open, well that'll be Hafeez opening up against him then

0-1 for all the ODIs!

flower has confirmed that KP will open!!!!!!!!

I said that about 7 hours ago CF

yh i know but some people clearly didnt know so i repeated it

For me, its;

Cook
KP
Trott
Morgan
Kieswetter
Buttler
Patel
Bresnan
Broad
Swann
Anderson

Fine genuine bowlers, 6 Genuine batsmen, but with plenty of firepower for subcontinent conditions. Looking for Trott/Cook to bat through 35-45 overs of the innings at strike rate of 80-100, with the other batters looking to score run a ball + to complement them. Kp/Trott can fill in a few overs if necessary, though i'd rather it not be needed!

I'd like to see Briggs play at some point, but I like Samit's firepower with the bat.

Kieswetter keeps mainly as Buttler is a far better outfielder than Kieswetter if you were to have a straight WK comparison I would expect it would be alot closer

many county players have said that buttler is a much better keeper than kieswetter.

rich1uk wrote:

Demon Racer wrote:Buttler's form against Sri Lanka A won't mean nothing against Ajmal, Afridi and Gul, He won't be given the chance to just slog wildly by the Pakistanis.

i love how buttler jst gets described as a wild slogger by someone whos probably never seen him play

he plays proper cricket shots, is capable of building an innings and actually has a very orthodox technique

just because he made his name as a youngster in t20 doesn't mean hes a slogger. hes still only 21 and with the technique he has i reckon he could develop into a very good player in all 3 formats

Seen him play many times. He's a decent slogger, who's struggled at F/C level. Strange really, as he plays on one of the flattest pitches in the UK at Taunton.

Buttler is much better than a "slogger" in all fairness to him. He has a good technique, Great hand eye coordination and what seems to be a great temperament for such a young guy. He's closer to Morgan than Kieswetter, put it that way.

I see him in a finishing role alongside Morgan personally. He's got the ability to clear the ropes, but that doesnt make him a slogger.

Struggled at F/C level? Yes because thats relevant to him being picked for a one day game.

Both in t20 and pro40 he was devastating last season, he's done it again in Sri Lanka so why won't he do it at international level.

Man is class and will be WORLD CLASS.

Gregers wrote:Struggled at F/C level? Yes because thats relevant to him being picked for a one day game.

Both in t20 and pro40 he was devastating last season, he's done it again in Sri Lanka so why won't he do it at international level.

Man is class and will be WORLD CLASS.

Total rubbish. At F/C he has a weakness around off stump. In limited overs cricket, batting at 6/7, there will never be 3 slips and a gully. Therefore he gets away with loose strokes.

an average of 32.08 for a 21 year old is hardly struggling at first class level, compared to his average of 70 of list A cricket.....

Well said Hodge, I'm wondering how much of young Jos you've seen Demon Racer

From a Surrey perspective I think Dernbach is fortunate to be in the squad. I think he has some potential, particularly for T20, but he has been found out - he can't rely totally on having a good slower ball.

Meaker was mentioned earlier in the thread but is injured and so I imagine wouldn't have been considered for selection.