England ODI squad

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So with the ODI'S coming up, who would be in your squad....i will name my starting side, and the 4 reserves...

1.Cook (c)
2.Hales
3.Trott
4.KP
5.Morgan
6.Buttler (wk) (in ridiclously good form for the lions, in spinning conditions)
7.Patel/bresnan
8.Swann
9.Broad
10.Dernbach
11.Finn/Borthwick
12.Anderson
13.Bopara
14.Bairstow
15.Taylor

kieswetter's record as an opener isn't very good tbh and hes lucky to even keep his spot but just be dropped down the order imo

as much as it depresses me to say this i think bopara will play in front of buttler

rich1uk wrote:kieswetter's record as an opener isn't very good tbh and hes lucky to even keep his spot but just be dropped down the order imo

as much as it depresses me to say this i think bopara will play in front of buttler

Not great but deserving of another series in my opinion. I see no point in chopping and changing too much but never finding the solution. Down the order, however, I see little value in him - I would rather have Bopara at 5 and Buttler take the gloves.

I think Buttler will play. He was injured for the warm-up match but I think he's recovered now and England will be desperate to give him a chance.

i hope buttler will play , i have been hoping they would have given him a chance long before now but i doubt they will be happy going in with patel as the 5th bowler and only having KP and trott to back him up

going in without a second "all-rounder" will be too much of a risk for them , i hope i am wrong tho

on kieswetter, i dont think hes anywhere near good enough to open in international cricket especially now we have a new ball from both ends. personally i would replace him with buttler behind the stumps as it gives more flexibility rather than having buttler play as a specialist batsman.

kieswetter has played 28 ODIs now, he still averages below 30, hes made one hundred which was against bangladesh, he was dropped 3 times before he got to 20 in that innings as well iirc, and of the 5 50s hes made one of them was against scotland. thats nowhere near good enough for an opener.

Buttler was injured for the warm up, had he not been he may have had a chance to press a claim. Without that, I just dont see him getting picked...especially since it would leave England desperately short of bowling.
His best chance to get in the side is as a direct replacement for Keiswetter. Now he isnt opening that would be a lot easier to facilitate, but wont happen immediately.

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:Buttler was injured for the warm up, had he not been he may have had a chance to press a claim. Without that, I just dont see him getting picked...especially since it would leave England desperately short of bowling.
His best chance to get in the side is as a direct replacement for Keiswetter. Now he isnt opening that would be a lot easier to facilitate, but wont happen immediately.

Not desperately short... I think England would be content with Broad, Finn, Bresnan, Swann bowling 10 and Patel also unless he gets clobbered. KP and Trott can make up any overs after that.

Why include Briggs in the squad if you dont play him?

jimbohammers wrote:Why include Briggs in the squad if you dont play him?

Experience of touring in a senior environment around the senior players, injury cover, to fill in if Patel has a shocker in the early matches, if England play on a 'dust bowl' and want three spinners (unlikely in my view).

Shelsey93 wrote:

jimbohammers wrote:So what do you guys think the team will be on Monday?

I think they will go with 1 Cook (c) 2 Pietersen 3 Trott 4 Morgan 5 Kieswetter (wk) 6 Buttler 7 Patel 8 Bresnan 9 Swann 10 Broad 11 Finn

My choice would be 1 Cook (c) 2 Kieswetter (wk) 3 Pietersen 4 Trott 5 Morgan 6 Buttler 7 Patel 8 Bresnan 9 Broad 10 Swann 11 Anderson

Yes Shelsey93 I would also go with your team.

Not sure if there is anyone in the Young Lions side that have made a case for consideration in the senior squad, apart from perhaps James Taylor and Chris Woakes.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/hi/english/static/cricket/statistics/scorecards/2012/02/86948/html/scorecard.stm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/16984122

i really hope that Buttler gets the nod if fit, and hopefully take the gloves.....better batsman than kieswetter IMO, and many county players say that he is a much better gloveman as well.

Buttler ruled out. My guess at tomorrows team:

Cook
KP
Trott
Morgan
Kisewetter
Bopara
Patel
Bresnan
Broad
Swann
Finn

Crucial that we have bresnan in for the ODI'S, especially in these conditions, he is very good with reverse swing.

cricketfan90 wrote:Crucial that we have bresnan in for the ODI'S, especially in these conditions, he is very good with reverse swing.

with a new ball from each end then we wont see as much reverse swing tho

even at the end of the innings the ball is only going to be 25 overs old

rich in most series been played since that rule came in, the ball has still been reversing after around 15 overs.

depends on conditions tho

we didn't see alot of reverse swing in the tests in the UAE even when the ball was getting close to 80 overs old

saying that alot of the innings didn't last long enough for the ball to get old enough to reverse

Bresnan will probably be first change during this series as Finn looked a lot more dangerous in India. I suspect Finn will start with a long spell leaving Broad and Bresnan to bowl the batting powerplay and then finish off the innings.

Pity that Buttler's been ruled out. Huge talent who has to be given a go once fit.

hopefully the crowds for this series, will be a bit bigger than they were for the test series!!

I think we'll see Bresnan opening the bowling with Finn. Broad likes to bowl first change, especially in ODI's.

As for the reverse swing debate, different balls, different rules isnt it. Under the old system of one ball for 30 odd overs, it was quite common to see reverse swing in the subcontinent from 15-20 ovs into the innings. So by simple maths i reckon you'll see it reverse for the last 15-20 overs in this series.

Shame that Jos is injured, expect Bopara to play in his place and bat any of 4/5/6 depending on match situation. Fingers crossed for a better scoreline at the end of this series!

everyone keeps going on about this being sub-contintental conditions but if you watched the test series there was alot of grass on the outfield and fairly small squares which means the ball wont get roughed up as quickly so wont reverse as early

as i said earlier we didn't see alot of reverse swing at all during the test series even with a ball much older than we will see in the ODIs