--- Rating- Miguel Cotto vs Floyd Mayweather --- Head to Head
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--- Rating- Miguel Cotto vs Floyd Mayweather --- Head to Head
These Ratings are based on how the fighters are currently, May not be Peak ratings of either fighters - Point of it is to show how the fighters match up Head to Head, The Numbers also show the difference between the fighters in certain categories
My ratings
Technical Ability - 10 - 7.5, Floyd has the Advantage here as you would expect with a pute boxer, He is the most technically gifted fighter in the game currently - he has a excellent jab and he has excellent speed in his power punches. Cotto on the other hand is what you call a Boxer puncher and an excellent one and that he depends on his technical ability on the outside to get him in position to land great power punches to the body and head to win him fights, However in his recent year he has declined abit, his jab has become Inconsistent where as before he could dominate fights with it.
Defence - 10-7, Floyd has the advantage here again and not even close, he hardly ever gets with the same punch twice and he is able to mantain his defencive ability under heavy pressure, legal or not he uses his elbow's well to protect him. Top 5 GOAT in this category. This is a area where cotto has improved recently, unlike before he now keeps his elbows tucked in leading to better protection from uppercuts and he now clinches in pressure situation to limit the damage done to him.
Offence - 7.5 - 8, Advantage Cotto, Cotto's a fighter who relies on a solid offence to win fights. He's strength and measured pressure makes him a fighter that is hard to push back, he is also adapted to use his jab and box when needed to, Floyd is a a defencive fighter but that doesn't mean he has a poor offence, he might not have the most entertaining offence, but it's eefective and accurate punches break down fighters, would be even if Floyd used his offence more but he often lets his defence win him fights
Footwork - 8.5 - 7, Floyd has the advantage due to the technical side of his footwork He has good general movement, he finds good angles to counter his oppenents and he is a good ring general, would be about 9.5 but in recent fights he has declined in my opinion, compare him in Hatton fight to Ortiz fight, in Hatton fight he was able to circle hatton more and hatton had faster footwork than ortiz but ortiz was able to corner floyd much easier. Cotto has good footwork when it comes to closing an oppenent down- he's always been good at it but he where has improved recently is moving backwards, now he can move backwards and circle without running backwards
Accuracy - 9.5 - 7, Floyd, he is very accurate when a fighter tries to come in, Great at countering and also can walk a bigger opponent down with accurate punches, Cotto has good accuracy but not great. He has very accurate jab which has declined a bit and his body punches are accurate aswell, but he was superior in this category around 2007
Power - 6 - 8, Cotto although not a massive puncher has a clear advantage here, at the top his power isn't devastating but is enough to hurt a world class oppenent and has the ability to put them away if hurt with accurate power punches, He has lost snap in his punches recently. Floyd had good power at 130-135, but since moving up to 140+ his power doesn't have the same effect anymore - Ortiz fight didn't show anything, He has the abilty to wear opponents down but lacks one punch KO power
Speed - 9 - 7, Floyd has excellent speed. He can throw quick jabs and right hands he can also mix it up with hooks to the body on the inside, he is able utilize his speed to the fullest aswell. Cotto although not a speed fighter, he isn't slow either, he has quick jabs and can throw quick hooks when required to do so, both fighters have declined in this category in recent years - floyd due to age, cotto due to wear and tear.
Versatility - 9 - 7, Floyd, He is able to walk down an opponent with one two's and left hooks, he is able to pot shot, he is also able to fight off the back foot as he did vs Hatton in recent years, Cotto He can do two things and he can do those two things very well, He is able to both Box on the backfoot using his jabs and flurries and movement, he is able to apply pressure and finish of a opponent and can trade well. Floyd can fight Inside Outside and also in mid range, where as Cotto is able to fight on the outside and inside, he can't fight in mid range, some might think he can - but believe me he can't, he seems lost in mid range, through out his career most of the time his been in trouble is because he was fighting in mid range.
Stamina - 10 - 7, Floyd can go for 15 without tiring - the man has great stamina, this also allows him to come on strong late if he is behind on the scorecards, Cotto starts of excellent but he tires, He is excellent between 1-7, then has a bad period between 8-10, before he finds his second win - but this is when he has to have a high workrate
Heart - 10-8 Both have great hearts, But Floyd is superior for the simple reason that although neither quit (not counting the cheater) cotto seems to me is able to get deterred more easily, floyd however has no quit in him, I honestly feel if he is down after 11, he will come out swinging in the 12 eventhough he is a boxer
Chin - 8- 7, Floyd has a Great chin down once although not given and he wasn't hurt, he has an ewxcellent chin but don't think it's as good as some make out, he has been hit clean at higher weights few times, corlet and Mosley both hurt him but I think he has great powers of recovery, Cotto's chin has improved since he came up from 140, he tooks solid shots from Judah and Mosley, Pacquiao hit him with some huge shot to drop him the second time around, He hasn't been tested much at 154.
Physical Attributes - 7 - 8, Cotto slight edge, mayweather is able to use his jab excellently and can control the distance using his long reach however he is small @ 147 also very small at 154 - where the fight will be held at. Cotto on the other hand is a very strong fighter but recently his jab has become weaker and his pysical strength isn' as much of an factor at 154 agains bigger men, at 147 he would have scored well here.
Some attributes are missing though such as Cut/Swelling resistance, ring IQ and Corner ect.
Overall - Mayweather Jr : 9 vs Cotto : 7.5
Both Fighters have declined, But in Floyds case, he has only declined by little and is able to adjust due to the fact he is more versatile and boxers are bale to adjust better, Cotto has improved some things technically but he has declined quite a bit from the explosiveness of his prime. This fight would have been very competetive 4 years ago, now it seems to favour Floyd Mayweather by quite a bit
Prediction : Cotto will box on the backfoot, try to circle floyd and outbox him, coming in for the occasional body punch, he will try to steal rounds using his flurries, however floyd will take over from the half way point using his accurate punches to break cotto down pysically and mentally, Floyd on Points - 117-111, he can also force a late stoppage if he really goes for it, but that will require him to take some risks
Tale of the Tape
Mayweather V Cotto
Record : 42-0(26), 37-2(30)
Age : 35, 31
Height : 5’8”, 5’7”
Reach : 72”, 67”
Last Opponent - KO 4 vs Ortiz, RTD 10 vs Margarito
Common Opponents:
Shane Mosley - Mayweather UD 12, Cotto UD 12,
Zab Judah - Mayweather UD 12, Cotto TKO11
DeMarcus Corley - Mayweather UD 12, Cotto TKO5
My ratings
Technical Ability - 10 - 7.5, Floyd has the Advantage here as you would expect with a pute boxer, He is the most technically gifted fighter in the game currently - he has a excellent jab and he has excellent speed in his power punches. Cotto on the other hand is what you call a Boxer puncher and an excellent one and that he depends on his technical ability on the outside to get him in position to land great power punches to the body and head to win him fights, However in his recent year he has declined abit, his jab has become Inconsistent where as before he could dominate fights with it.
Defence - 10-7, Floyd has the advantage here again and not even close, he hardly ever gets with the same punch twice and he is able to mantain his defencive ability under heavy pressure, legal or not he uses his elbow's well to protect him. Top 5 GOAT in this category. This is a area where cotto has improved recently, unlike before he now keeps his elbows tucked in leading to better protection from uppercuts and he now clinches in pressure situation to limit the damage done to him.
Offence - 7.5 - 8, Advantage Cotto, Cotto's a fighter who relies on a solid offence to win fights. He's strength and measured pressure makes him a fighter that is hard to push back, he is also adapted to use his jab and box when needed to, Floyd is a a defencive fighter but that doesn't mean he has a poor offence, he might not have the most entertaining offence, but it's eefective and accurate punches break down fighters, would be even if Floyd used his offence more but he often lets his defence win him fights
Footwork - 8.5 - 7, Floyd has the advantage due to the technical side of his footwork He has good general movement, he finds good angles to counter his oppenents and he is a good ring general, would be about 9.5 but in recent fights he has declined in my opinion, compare him in Hatton fight to Ortiz fight, in Hatton fight he was able to circle hatton more and hatton had faster footwork than ortiz but ortiz was able to corner floyd much easier. Cotto has good footwork when it comes to closing an oppenent down- he's always been good at it but he where has improved recently is moving backwards, now he can move backwards and circle without running backwards
Accuracy - 9.5 - 7, Floyd, he is very accurate when a fighter tries to come in, Great at countering and also can walk a bigger opponent down with accurate punches, Cotto has good accuracy but not great. He has very accurate jab which has declined a bit and his body punches are accurate aswell, but he was superior in this category around 2007
Power - 6 - 8, Cotto although not a massive puncher has a clear advantage here, at the top his power isn't devastating but is enough to hurt a world class oppenent and has the ability to put them away if hurt with accurate power punches, He has lost snap in his punches recently. Floyd had good power at 130-135, but since moving up to 140+ his power doesn't have the same effect anymore - Ortiz fight didn't show anything, He has the abilty to wear opponents down but lacks one punch KO power
Speed - 9 - 7, Floyd has excellent speed. He can throw quick jabs and right hands he can also mix it up with hooks to the body on the inside, he is able utilize his speed to the fullest aswell. Cotto although not a speed fighter, he isn't slow either, he has quick jabs and can throw quick hooks when required to do so, both fighters have declined in this category in recent years - floyd due to age, cotto due to wear and tear.
Versatility - 9 - 7, Floyd, He is able to walk down an opponent with one two's and left hooks, he is able to pot shot, he is also able to fight off the back foot as he did vs Hatton in recent years, Cotto He can do two things and he can do those two things very well, He is able to both Box on the backfoot using his jabs and flurries and movement, he is able to apply pressure and finish of a opponent and can trade well. Floyd can fight Inside Outside and also in mid range, where as Cotto is able to fight on the outside and inside, he can't fight in mid range, some might think he can - but believe me he can't, he seems lost in mid range, through out his career most of the time his been in trouble is because he was fighting in mid range.
Stamina - 10 - 7, Floyd can go for 15 without tiring - the man has great stamina, this also allows him to come on strong late if he is behind on the scorecards, Cotto starts of excellent but he tires, He is excellent between 1-7, then has a bad period between 8-10, before he finds his second win - but this is when he has to have a high workrate
Heart - 10-8 Both have great hearts, But Floyd is superior for the simple reason that although neither quit (not counting the cheater) cotto seems to me is able to get deterred more easily, floyd however has no quit in him, I honestly feel if he is down after 11, he will come out swinging in the 12 eventhough he is a boxer
Chin - 8- 7, Floyd has a Great chin down once although not given and he wasn't hurt, he has an ewxcellent chin but don't think it's as good as some make out, he has been hit clean at higher weights few times, corlet and Mosley both hurt him but I think he has great powers of recovery, Cotto's chin has improved since he came up from 140, he tooks solid shots from Judah and Mosley, Pacquiao hit him with some huge shot to drop him the second time around, He hasn't been tested much at 154.
Physical Attributes - 7 - 8, Cotto slight edge, mayweather is able to use his jab excellently and can control the distance using his long reach however he is small @ 147 also very small at 154 - where the fight will be held at. Cotto on the other hand is a very strong fighter but recently his jab has become weaker and his pysical strength isn' as much of an factor at 154 agains bigger men, at 147 he would have scored well here.
Some attributes are missing though such as Cut/Swelling resistance, ring IQ and Corner ect.
Overall - Mayweather Jr : 9 vs Cotto : 7.5
Both Fighters have declined, But in Floyds case, he has only declined by little and is able to adjust due to the fact he is more versatile and boxers are bale to adjust better, Cotto has improved some things technically but he has declined quite a bit from the explosiveness of his prime. This fight would have been very competetive 4 years ago, now it seems to favour Floyd Mayweather by quite a bit
Prediction : Cotto will box on the backfoot, try to circle floyd and outbox him, coming in for the occasional body punch, he will try to steal rounds using his flurries, however floyd will take over from the half way point using his accurate punches to break cotto down pysically and mentally, Floyd on Points - 117-111, he can also force a late stoppage if he really goes for it, but that will require him to take some risks
Tale of the Tape
Mayweather V Cotto
Record : 42-0(26), 37-2(30)
Age : 35, 31
Height : 5’8”, 5’7”
Reach : 72”, 67”
Last Opponent - KO 4 vs Ortiz, RTD 10 vs Margarito
Common Opponents:
Shane Mosley - Mayweather UD 12, Cotto UD 12,
Zab Judah - Mayweather UD 12, Cotto TKO11
DeMarcus Corley - Mayweather UD 12, Cotto TKO5
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I think you have seriously under rated how big a puncher Floyd is. he doesn't go looking for the KO but he can punch.
Mayweather is also a big strong 147lbs fighter now and Cotto isn't a big 154lbs fighter so there is no real advantage to anyone there.
Mayweather is also a big strong 147lbs fighter now and Cotto isn't a big 154lbs fighter so there is no real advantage to anyone there.
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SugarRayRussell (PBK) wrote:I think you have seriously under rated how big a puncher Floyd is. he doesn't go looking for the KO but he can punch.
Mayweather is also a big strong 147lbs fighter now and Cotto isn't a big 154lbs fighter so there is no real advantage to anyone there.
Above 140 his power is average, Ortiz fight didn't show his power one bit. He hit hatton flush for about 7 rounds and hatton was smaller before finally going down, he dropped marquez but that was due to timing and in that fight marquez ate himself upto the weight. Personally I think you are overrating floyds power, you have to remember he punches very cleanly and if had good power he would be Knocking guys out, you can't punch as clean as floyd and also have power with the amount of KO's he has.
At 147 cotto was very strong and stronger than Floyd, floyd isn't weak put can be pushed around by big strong WW, Mayweather is Srong 147 fighter but not 'big' as you say it.
This is all about my opinion though - How would you rate these two?
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Floyd has really grown into 147lbs. He doesn't move as much as he used to and is bullying sparring partners who are 160lbs fighters. He very rarely sits down on his punches but when he does they put people down. Not stopping Marquez shows nothing of his power no one stops Marquez.
Floyd does everything better than Cotto with the exception of body shots Cotto throws a lovely left to the body. He does everything better than pretty much anyone around that's why he's unbeaten.
Floyd does everything better than Cotto with the exception of body shots Cotto throws a lovely left to the body. He does everything better than pretty much anyone around that's why he's unbeaten.
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SugarRayRussell (PBK) wrote:Floyd has really grown into 147lbs. He doesn't move as much as he used to and is bullying sparring partners who are 160lbs fighters. He very rarely sits down on his punches but when he does they put people down. Not stopping Marquez shows nothing of his power no one stops Marquez.
Floyd does everything better than Cotto with the exception of body shots Cotto throws a lovely left to the body. He does everything better than pretty much anyone around that's why he's unbeaten.
HE doesn't move as much because his legs aren't what they used to be 4/5 years ago to compensate for that he now goes to the more often, He bullies sparring partners and doesn't move as much but he doesn't sit down on his punches?, He often does sit down on his punches and walks down fighters like mosley and hits them clean whilst sitting down on punches but it doesn't have any major effect.
'He very rarely sits down on his punches' - that's very incorrect in my opinion (recent fights)
'Floyd does everything better than Cotto' - saying floyd has more power than cotto is just ridiculous
'Not stopping Marquez shows nothing of his power no one stops Marquez.' - very true.
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I would have said a genuinely powerful weltwerweight is certainly capable of stopping Marquez at 147lbs.
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think you have been a bit generous to cotto the with heart and offence ratings given the way cotto has fought his last 3 fights. im not saying cotto has no heart, but flloyds desire massively outweighs that of cotto, who i think is only really here for the money. flloyd enjoys the spotlight more and will do anything to stay undefeated. also dont really see cotto as an offensive fighter anymore, not like he used to be anyway. hope cotto can make this competitive, and im gonna enjoy the fight anyway, but i honestly think it will be easy for mayweather
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KO-KING wrote:SugarRayRussell (PBK) wrote:Floyd has really grown into 147lbs. He doesn't move as much as he used to and is bullying sparring partners who are 160lbs fighters. He very rarely sits down on his punches but when he does they put people down. Not stopping Marquez shows nothing of his power no one stops Marquez.
Floyd does everything better than Cotto with the exception of body shots Cotto throws a lovely left to the body. He does everything better than pretty much anyone around that's why he's unbeaten.
HE doesn't move as much because his legs aren't what they used to be 4/5 years ago to compensate for that he now goes to the more often, He bullies sparring partners and doesn't move as much but he doesn't sit down on his punches?, He often does sit down on his punches and walks down fighters like mosley and hits them clean whilst sitting down on punches but it doesn't have any major effect.
'He very rarely sits down on his punches' - that's very incorrect in my opinion (recent fights)
'Floyd does everything better than Cotto' - saying floyd has more power than cotto is just ridiculous
'Not stopping Marquez shows nothing of his power no one stops Marquez.' - very true.
He very rarely puts real power behind his punches because of his hand trouble that's a fact.
Sorry maybe Cotto carries slightly more power but not much they are different types of fighters. Floyd could have more KOs but his hands have held him back and he doesn't go looking for stoppages. Cottos extra power has no bearing on the fight anyway because Floyd has a fantastic chin.
Not many people hurt Mosley either tbf.
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Floyd does have an excellent chin, hand troubles are part of the game you can't say he has good power but his hands dont let him use it. Not many beat mosey up the way floyd did, hardly anyone ever hit him as clean over and over again
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Lance wrote:think you have been a bit generous to cotto the with heart and offence ratings given the way cotto has fought his last 3 fights. im not saying cotto has no heart, but flloyds desire massively outweighs that of cotto, who i think is only really here for the money. flloyd enjoys the spotlight more and will do anything to stay undefeated. also dont really see cotto as an offensive fighter anymore, not like he used to be anyway. hope cotto can make this competitive, and im gonna enjoy the fight anyway, but i honestly think it will be easy for mayweather
very true, Cotto has fought through adversity before though if you look at torres, clottey fight - Margo is a cheat and it shows how much heart he has that he went 11 rounds
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manos de piedra wrote:I would have said a genuinely powerful weltwerweight is certainly capable of stopping Marquez at 147lbs.
Pacquiao it may have been at 144lbs but he would have been closer to 147lbs on the night and he never looked like doing it even when he landed.
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Cotto vs Mayweather (GP Promo)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJM19zOP5xI
A promo for the upcoming May 5th megabout between Miguel Cotto and Floyd Mayweather
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJM19zOP5xI
A promo for the upcoming May 5th megabout between Miguel Cotto and Floyd Mayweather
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The face off was good. Floyd checking his bet and complimenting Cottos cartier. Very respectful towards each other as well. Last time Floyd and Kellerman basically just mocked Ortiz asking him how he was going to beat Floyd and looking at each other and smiling.
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I dont really consider Pacquiao an overly big or powerful welterweight. But regardless, I dont think a welterweight Marquez is unknockoutable.
Its one thing having alot of power but if you dont use it for whatever reason then its not hugely different from not having it at all. I would have said that Mayweathers hand troubles and usage of more padded gloves mean that hes not really a big hitter.
Timing and accuracy of shots is usually how he has won his stoppage fights as opposed to raw power. Moving up to 154 is also further likely to dilute it. If he stops Cotto I think it will be due to landing frquently and accurately and the accumulative effect.
Its one thing having alot of power but if you dont use it for whatever reason then its not hugely different from not having it at all. I would have said that Mayweathers hand troubles and usage of more padded gloves mean that hes not really a big hitter.
Timing and accuracy of shots is usually how he has won his stoppage fights as opposed to raw power. Moving up to 154 is also further likely to dilute it. If he stops Cotto I think it will be due to landing frquently and accurately and the accumulative effect.
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Pacquiao probably hits as hard as anyone at the weight and he never looked like doing it so I don't see anyone else around who could. Look at what he done to Cotto at the same weight he fought Marquez at.
Mayweather doesn't go looking for the Kos because of his hand troubles. That is why he's far less aggressive than he was when he was younger. If he was still as aggressive then his career would be over now.
i have never thought he would spark Cotto out. He'll win on the cards pretty comfortably imo.
Mayweather doesn't go looking for the Kos because of his hand troubles. That is why he's far less aggressive than he was when he was younger. If he was still as aggressive then his career would be over now.
i have never thought he would spark Cotto out. He'll win on the cards pretty comfortably imo.
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How can you say Cotto has less heart than Mayweather, that is a ridiculous statement. When has mayweather really had to be tested like Cotto has. He may have a greater heart, but he has not had to prove it. Mayweather has never been beaten up like Cotto and he has never been put down either.
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Mayweather was injured and getting beat by Castillo and he never chucked it that shows heart.
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SugarRay, you are forgetting that Marquez was not getting hit flush much by Pacquiao, he had him completely timed, a welterweight can stop Marquez, Floyd could have but chose not to. Had Manny not been giving a boxing lesson in controlling distance, Marquez could have been knocked out.
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That's not the same as getting smashed in the face by Pacquiao, getting up after a very heavy knock down and then carrying on. Its also not the same as getting hit in the face with plaster of paris for 11 rounds. Not saying he doesn't have heart, he certainly doesn't have more than Cotto.
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How can you say how much heart he has if it has never been tested. Regardless of hand wraps Cotto has been pushed to his limit twice. He backed down from Pac as well.
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Personally think you've over rated Cotto somewhat here, the only advantage he possibly has is power but even then he did less damage to Mosley than Mayweather did so think it's a negligible difference. Physicality is all with Mayweather who looks bigger, stronger, faster and fitter than Cotto as well as having a more varied and pinpoint accurate offence.
Why do people insist on saying that Hatton was a smaller fighter than Mayweather because he wasn't, he was a huge 140lber facing a then very small welterweight whom he outweighed by a couple of pounds in the ring.
Why do people insist on saying that Hatton was a smaller fighter than Mayweather because he wasn't, he was a huge 140lber facing a then very small welterweight whom he outweighed by a couple of pounds in the ring.
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Imperial Ghosty wrote:Personally think you've over rated Cotto somewhat here, the only advantage he possibly has is power but even then he did less damage to Mosley than Mayweather did so think it's a negligible difference. Physicality is all with Mayweather who looks bigger, stronger, faster and fitter than Cotto as well as having a more varied and pinpoint accurate offence.
Why do people insist on saying that Hatton was a smaller fighter than Mayweather because he wasn't, he was a huge 140lber facing a then very small welterweight whom he outweighed by a couple of pounds in the ring.
Hatton couldn't even fill out at 147, he was big at 140 was due to his physicality which he lossed at 147) but was smaller than floyd - not the reason he lost but he was smaller than Floyd.
'even then he did less damage to Mosley than Mayweather did'
1- Mosley was much better and fresher when Cotto Faced him
2- Mayweather hit him more cleanly and dominated him more, hence resulting in more damage - this doesn't show his punching power, if he had cotto power and hit him clean like he did he would have stopped mosley in 10
And mayweather Doesn't look bigger at all, cotto has like 10 pounds on come fight night and I don't think he is as strong either - nothing to suggest he is, Cotto at times was controlling Clottey around -when has Floyd ever shown his strength
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That makes absolutely no sense to me...
When has mayweather been in that situation though? You can't just say because Cotto found his limit and Mayweather hasn't Mayweather has more heart. Considering mayweather has never had to be tested (because of his superb skills) anywhere near the way Cotto has.
When has mayweather been in that situation though? You can't just say because Cotto found his limit and Mayweather hasn't Mayweather has more heart. Considering mayweather has never had to be tested (because of his superb skills) anywhere near the way Cotto has.
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Sorry but Hatton simply was not smaller than Mayweather hence why he outweighed him nor would anyone with Cottos power ever be stopping Mosley, he had the most iron of iron chins.
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BoxingFan88 wrote:That makes absolutely no sense to me...
When has mayweather been in that situation though? You can't just say because Cotto found his limit and Mayweather hasn't Mayweather has more heart. Considering mayweather has never had to be tested (because of his superb skills) anywhere near the way Cotto has.
I never said he had more heart just that I wouldn't say Cotto has more. He has chucked it in Mayweather never when he was up against it. I don't think lack of bottle is a problem for either tbh.
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Re: --- Rating- Miguel Cotto vs Floyd Mayweather --- Head to Head
Imperial Ghosty wrote:Sorry but Hatton simply was not smaller than Mayweather hence why he outweighed him nor would anyone with Cottos power ever be stopping Mosley, he had the most iron of iron chins.
Mosley was often buzzed in the floyd fight and if Jr and cotto's power you're saying he wouldn't have been able to stop Mosley, Floyd punches so clean and he wouldn't have a chance to stop mosley
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Re: --- Rating- Miguel Cotto vs Floyd Mayweather --- Head to Head
Mayweather is the most dedicated and hardworking fighter in the sport today, that alone shows how much heart and desire he has. The man weighs around 150 between fights and is the gym every other day. His heart can't be questioned, de la Hoya was massive in comparison to him and was putting him under a lot of pressure but he kept his cool and dominate him for the rest of the fight.
I agree that his power is as much as cotto and I think his natural strength even at 154 will be greater. He bullied Mosley and Ortiz around the ring, and there both big guys. Both Marquez and mosley are hard guys to stop, Mosley seems impossible to stop so you can't discount his power beause of that.
I can't see any advantages that cotto holds over floyd. Even offence, cotto is very left hook happy (btw, an awful punch vs floyd becaus rod his right hand position) whereas floyd has Te est jab and straight right in tegame and hits people with quick hooks and uppercuts whe he's in the pocket
I agree that his power is as much as cotto and I think his natural strength even at 154 will be greater. He bullied Mosley and Ortiz around the ring, and there both big guys. Both Marquez and mosley are hard guys to stop, Mosley seems impossible to stop so you can't discount his power beause of that.
I can't see any advantages that cotto holds over floyd. Even offence, cotto is very left hook happy (btw, an awful punch vs floyd becaus rod his right hand position) whereas floyd has Te est jab and straight right in tegame and hits people with quick hooks and uppercuts whe he's in the pocket
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Re: --- Rating- Miguel Cotto vs Floyd Mayweather --- Head to Head
SugarRayRussell (PBK) wrote:I think you have seriously under rated how big a puncher Floyd is. he doesn't go looking for the KO but he can punch.
Mayweather is also a big strong 147lbs fighter now and Cotto isn't a big 154lbs fighter so there is no real advantage to anyone there.
Yep, Mayweather has good power when he wants to be aggressive.
I don't see Cotto having much chance here, unless Mayweather shows signs of slowing down, which he has not done so.
There is the claim that Floyd doesn't have the footwork of old, but this has actually made him more aggressive recently, taking centre ring, not dancing, but using his razor sharp reflexes to dodge and fire back.
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Re: --- Rating- Miguel Cotto vs Floyd Mayweather --- Head to Head
I don't understand this way of thinking: "Floyd could be a harder hitter but isn't because of hand troubles." If he can't, then he isn't. If hand troubles stop him from being a powerful hitter than he's not a powerful hitter, regardless of why he isn't.
I think Mayweather's chin's being overrated a bit there too. He doesn't get hit much but it does have an effect when he gets tagged.
I think Mayweather's chin's being overrated a bit there too. He doesn't get hit much but it does have an effect when he gets tagged.
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Re: --- Rating- Miguel Cotto vs Floyd Mayweather --- Head to Head
John Bloody Wayne wrote:I don't understand this way of thinking: "Floyd could be a harder hitter but isn't because of hand troubles." If he can't, then he isn't. If hand troubles stop him from being a powerful hitter than he's not a powerful hitter, regardless of why he isn't.
I think Mayweather's chin's being overrated a bit there too. He doesn't get hit much but it does have an effect when he gets tagged.
Very harsh there. SSM is a huge puncher. Floyd took the punch flush and was wobbled. Harler got wobbled by Hearns. Was his chin dodgy also? Many boxers would have been out with the punch Shane landed.
Agree about his punch power though.
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Re: --- Rating- Miguel Cotto vs Floyd Mayweather --- Head to Head
I don't mean to be harsh, he doesn't have a bad chin, but it's not totally solid. He was also wobbled by Juah and Corley was he not? Hagler walked right into a head shot from one of the P4P most powerful hitters ever and regained composure to come back and hurt Hearns. He never looked like going down.
Although Shane is a big puncher, he's not in Hearns' class and Mayweather was completely jelly legged and hanging on, just trying to survive. Something he's very good at. It's his defense, instinct and brain more than his chin that kept him upright against Mosely.
Although Shane is a big puncher, he's not in Hearns' class and Mayweather was completely jelly legged and hanging on, just trying to survive. Something he's very good at. It's his defense, instinct and brain more than his chin that kept him upright against Mosely.
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John Bloody Wayne wrote:I don't mean to be harsh, he doesn't have a bad chin, but it's not totally solid. He was also wobbled by Juah and Corley was he not? Hagler walked right into a head shot from one of the P4P most powerful hitters ever and regained composure to come back and hurt Hearns. He never looked like going down.
Although Shane is a big puncher, he's not in Hearns' class and Mayweather was completely jelly legged and hanging on, just trying to survive. Something he's very good at. It's his defense, instinct and brain more than his chin that kept him upright against Mosely.
Hearns was fighting at MW. He was still a huge puncher, but not as devastating as he was at WW. My point though is that no boxer is impervious to a punch landing at the right place. Even Rocky was decked by a LHW. Yet many say he had a granite chin.
Floyd was hanging on for about 10 seconds, regrouped and went straight for Mosely.
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Re: --- Rating- Miguel Cotto vs Floyd Mayweather --- Head to Head
Hearns was still pretty devastating at 160, I'd rate him as a harder puncher P4P at 160 than any version of Shane, especially the shop worn one that rocked Floyd. Still, Floyd was put in much more danger than Hagler. Clearly shaken and no legs under him. Hagler still looked pretty solid. I agree Floyd has a good chin, but it doesn't get tested enough to be rated too highly. Having a worse chin than Hagler is no shame and it's true, anyone can be hurt if they're hit right. Mayweather's hardly ever hit clean, but has been rocked a couple of times.
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Re: --- Rating- Miguel Cotto vs Floyd Mayweather --- Head to Head
He's rocked because when he gets caught cleanly it's normally a perfect shot. His defence is so good that normal shots dont hit him. When he does get caught, it's never a lucky shot, it s a perfect shot that's why it hurts him.
Mosley was a big puncher regardless, don't forget he knocked out margarito prior to the may weather fight, a feat cotto pacquiao williams couldn't do. He may not be hearns but only a couple of fighters in history have chins like marvins. Normal fighters would/could have been stopped by those punches.
Mosley was a big puncher regardless, don't forget he knocked out margarito prior to the may weather fight, a feat cotto pacquiao williams couldn't do. He may not be hearns but only a couple of fighters in history have chins like marvins. Normal fighters would/could have been stopped by those punches.
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Re: --- Rating- Miguel Cotto vs Floyd Mayweather --- Head to Head
Right, as I said I do think Mayweather has a good chin, just not totally solid and very much crackable at the top level.
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EDIT: If caught right, just like anyone else.
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Everyone is crackable, even Hagler.
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Re: --- Rating- Miguel Cotto vs Floyd Mayweather --- Head to Head
Having just watched Cotto v Mosley again I have no doubt Cotto has the better chin. He was walking through most of Shane's heavy shots.
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Re: --- Rating- Miguel Cotto vs Floyd Mayweather --- Head to Head
John Bloody Wayne wrote:Having just watched Cotto v Mosley again I have no doubt Cotto has the better chin. He was walking through most of Shane's heavy shots.
That was in 2007,
Since then he has suffered quite a but of punishment and is past his prime. He swells up in every fight these days so I don't think that the Mosley fights means anything
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Re: --- Rating- Miguel Cotto vs Floyd Mayweather --- Head to Head
I'm hoping Cotto tries to get inside and trap him on the ropes, i don't think his new style will suit him well in this fight.
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