Sam Warburton at 8?

The BBC article http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/18421641

suggests its a possibility, but can anyone explain why this would be a better option than playing him there over Ryan Jones and not have him play at 6?

Wouldnt it be better to have a more experienced 8 playing and having a backrow of:
6. Warburton
7. Tipuric
8. Jones

With Lydiate on the bench to make big tackles late in the game, or is Jones' versatility in the backrow forcing him to the bench.

Good day,

Excuse my language please.

We in France believe Warburton could be 8 better than other players in 8 in Wales.

This tactic we agree is strong. Warburton can be very good 8 in time with right mentality and creativity.

ha ha ha

shame you didnt manage to poach morgan

Triangulation wrote:ha ha ha

shame you didnt manage to poach morgan

Ben Morgan lack rugby mentalitie.

Wales are lucky that this did not happen to them. Wales have many young players with big qualitie.

'poach' Morgan ? Please


Leaving Lydiate on the bench would be crazy, he was sything through forwards legs, Sharpe knew he'd been in a fight.

Jones will stay on the bench a rovide 4/5 6/8 cover. He'll come one as an impact player.

Warbs could be a good 8 - powerful and a good ball carrier.

Warburton started his rugby career as an 8 don't forget.

Dallagio Hill and back all started out as 7's

Tipuric could be 7 best in the planet. Warburton with 8 could be good too.

pierre_sucermabitevoustas wrote:Tipuric could be 7 best in the planet. Warburton with 8 could be good too.

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:

pierre_sucermabitevoustas wrote:Tipuric could be 7 best in the planet. Warburton with 8 could be good too.

Yep I'd say he is one of the 7 best 7s...

Warburton to the people of France is like world greatest wine. He is more gooder than Dusautoir.

Warburton with McCaw very similar.

pierre_sucermabitevoustas wrote:Warburton to the people of France is like world greatest wine. He is more gooder than Dusautoir.

Warburton with McCaw very similar.

Can I just say this entire account : https://www.606v2.com/u4410 is a farce and it's kind of going back to the old days of 606 with muppets setting up multiple accounts.

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:

pierre_sucermabitevoustas wrote:Warburton to the people of France is like world greatest wine. He is more gooder than Dusautoir.

Warburton with McCaw very similar.

Can I just say this entire account : https://www.606v2.com/u4410 is a farce and it's kind of going back to the old days of 606 with muppets setting up multiple accounts.

What is muppet? I do not understand.

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:

pierre_sucermabitevoustas wrote:Tipuric could be 7 best in the planet. Warburton with 8 could be good too.

Fake account or not he said he 'could' be, not is. He has a lot of potential and seems to be getting better.

He's complementing the Welsh...its like our own version of AWOP.

I like him, he can stay

8 is the specialst position. Only some special play can convert from flanker to playing at 8. My mind if Warburton does not having the carry game to play from 8 and lack the awareness require to play off back of the scrum.

But maybe you can play attack and defend rotating the 8 like copy the all blacks.

It's not massively specialist these days, most international flankers could easily shift to 8.

Warburton at 8? Why play one of the best 7's in the world at 8? and hes an average ball carrier at best, leave him at 7 to do what he does best.

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:

pierre_sucermabitevoustas wrote:Warburton to the people of France is like world greatest wine. He is more gooder than Dusautoir.

Warburton with McCaw very similar.

Can I just say this entire account : https://www.606v2.com/u4410 is a farce and it's kind of going back to the old days of 606 with muppets setting up multiple accounts.

I like that he says his hobby is watching ponography - I wonder if that means he's admitting to being a W&*$er....

Smirnoffpriest wrote:I like that he says his hobby is watching ponography - I wonder if that means he's admitting to being a W&*$er....

Doen't he say he works in pornography. A fluffer maybe?

8 is only specialised if your scrum is serverely under pressure. Those are the times you need a player that can control the ball at the base with a great degree of skill. Similar if you have a massive shove on in the scrum, the 8 losing control and the ball popping out the back is a massive fail when you're rumbling forwards. At international level against Aus you'd get away with not having a specialist number 8 though.

Have to say the suggestion of dropping Lydiate is a terrible one, as an Englishman I've got to say he is one of your best players and seems as important to that Welsh side as Adam Jones and Sam Warburton. The Welsh defence was pretty dodgey last time out, taking away one of your strongest defenders will not help that.

I said elsewhere if we start with Jones, Tips and Warbs then it gives us 3 fetchers in the back-row. Ryan Jones has made a lot of turnovers this year, everything he does he seems to do well. We shouldn't lose much defence with that back-row either.

I don't think anything would be lost with that back row one bit. I assume you mean Warburton at 6, Morgan?

No I did mean at 8, I suppose they can switch though. I'll have to see how Warbs goes on the weekend first (oh wait I'm going to miss it because I'm on holiday )

My Brother has arranged hi sstag do this weekend with 4 days notice, not happy.

Will have to try and find a Tv/wifi in a field in Hereford

Warburton at 8. No.

Brothers stag do with 4 days notice. no

I'll have to find somewhere in Missouri. I was equally looking forward to sundays U20 games too.

mckay1402 wrote:Warburton at 8. No.

Brothers stag do with 4 days notice. no

Warbs at 8 is more socially acceptable than me having to miss a weekend of rugby

I don't know what will be more painful, getting shot by BB guns or watching us get out-rucked again...

I wouldn't drop Warbs, he's still a class act and our captain. He's only going to get better as that was his first game in months and I though he did ok. Thing is though, Tips can't be ignored. His form warrants a starting place. As much as I love Ryan Jones and his form has been imperious, he would be a good bench option, come on like he has done and inject some energy into the game.

Start Warbs at 8, Tips at 7 and Lydiate at 6. Warbs and Tips both at the breakdown will be more than a handful for the Aussies and will certainly make us more competitive there, especially after our poor performance in that area Saturday.

Ryan is a great imapct player from the bench - brings alot of power and experience

If Warbs did switch I'd expect the back row out in Melbourne would consist of himself, Lydiate and Tipuric, with Ryan and/or Shingler on the bench.

6 months ago I would have been totally against Warbs playing anywhere but on the openside. But with Tips' emergence (praying he's not a one-season wonder) and the continued debate about whether roles are restricted to certain positions I'm open to it, though not without some hesitation.

This doesn't mean Warbs' days as an openside are over, if anything it just goes to show how much weaker we are at 8 than 6 and 7. Hopefully this will change over the next season or two and provided Warbs isn't as effective at the back of the scrum this switch will be as temporary as possible. Remember it's still very early days for most of our back row choices.

Knowsit17 wrote:If Warbs did switch I'd expect the back row out in Melbourne would consist of himself, Lydiate and Tipuric, with Ryan and/or Shingler on the bench.

Shinger wont be on the bench

Ryan has a 100% chance of making the 22 unless struck by lightning, and even then he would be insisting he could play anyway.

munkian wrote:

mckay1402 wrote:Warburton at 8. No.

Brothers stag do with 4 days notice. no

Warbs at 8 is more socially acceptable than me having to miss a weekend of rugby

I don't know what will be more painful, getting shot by BB guns or watching us get out-rucked again...

I feel your pain. I accidentally arranged my wedding on the same day as Wales - New Zealand 2008. managed to see the end of the first half in the bar though...

A pretty stupid idea in the short term before a major test, this is the sort of trial that can be carried out in the AI's. Toby plays 8 and he does not handle going backwards in the scrum very well, what would a novice be like. I remember Daf Jones being switched from 6 to 8 in a Wales match and he gave away a try as the ball fly out of the scrum. Not a great idea for Sat by the WM reporter.

Tips should start or be on the bench he is far shaper than Warburton at this time simply because of his game time.

I say give it a try!

Warburton is like Colin Charvis and Martyn Williams is like Tipuric, there is no reason they could not work well together. The problem might be lack of a big ball carrier in the back row. But if were getting mullered at the break down anyway like last week then a ball carrier is pointless anyway.

mckay1402 wrote:

munkian wrote:

mckay1402 wrote:Warburton at 8. No.

Brothers stag do with 4 days notice. no

Warbs at 8 is more socially acceptable than me having to miss a weekend of rugby

I don't know what will be more painful, getting shot by BB guns or watching us get out-rucked again...

I feel your pain. I accidentally arranged my wedding on the same day as Wales - New Zealand 2008. managed to see the end of the first half in the bar though...

I missed a Springboks v Wales game in 2008 or 09 at my Dad's 3rd wedding. Its the English side of my family - no sense of occassion !

viewtothegym wrote:Dallagio Hill and back all started out as 7's

In what team did Back play 8? I can only think in was under 7s

formerly known as Sam wrote:8 is only specialised if your scrum is serverely under pressure. Those are the times you need a player that can control the ball at the base with a great degree of skill. Similar if you have a massive shove on in the scrum, the 8 losing control and the ball popping out the back is a massive fail when you're rumbling forwards. At international level against Aus you'd get away with not having a specialist number 8 though.

Have to say the suggestion of dropping Lydiate is a terrible one, as an Englishman I've got to say he is one of your best players and seems as important to that Welsh side as Adam Jones and Sam Warburton. The Welsh defence was pretty dodgey last time out, taking away one of your strongest defenders will not help that.

There is quite a lot more to playing 8 than simply locking the scrum.

Smirnoffpriest wrote:

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:

pierre_sucermabitevoustas wrote:Warburton to the people of France is like world greatest wine. He is more gooder than Dusautoir.

Warburton with McCaw very similar.

Can I just say this entire account : https://www.606v2.com/u4410 is a farce and it's kind of going back to the old days of 606 with muppets setting up multiple accounts.

I like that he says his hobby is watching ponography - I wonder if that means he's admitting to being a W&*$er....

My french is poor but Im Sure

Sucer ma bite vous ta means somthing completly different to him admitting he watches porn? I believe he wants you to do somthing to him with your mouth. Do I need to show you on a doll what yteh nasty man wants?

but yeah yet another fake account methinks

Ha I'm pretty sure the mods don't know what that means...

it doesn't say he watches porn it says he works in porn

TycroesOsprey wrote:

Smirnoffpriest wrote:

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:

pierre_sucermabitevoustas wrote:Warburton to the people of France is like world greatest wine. He is more gooder than Dusautoir.

Warburton with McCaw very similar.

Can I just say this entire account : https://www.606v2.com/u4410 is a farce and it's kind of going back to the old days of 606 with muppets setting up multiple accounts.

I like that he says his hobby is watching ponography - I wonder if that means he's admitting to being a W&*$er....

My french is poor but Im Sure

Sucer ma bite vous ta means somthing completly different to him admitting he watches porn? I believe he wants you to do somthing to him with your mouth. Do I need to show you on a doll what yteh nasty man wants?

but yeah yet another fake account methinks

HaHa just ran that past Google Translate, not sure the Mods would like me to post the translation.

dragonbreath wrote:

viewtothegym wrote:Dallagio Hill and back all started out as 7's

In what team did Back play 8? I can only think in was under 7s

pierre_sucermabitevoustas wrote:

Triangulation wrote:ha ha ha

shame you didnt manage to poach morgan

Ben Morgan lack rugby mentalitie.

Wales are lucky that this did not happen to them. Wales have many young players with big qualitie.

He also lacks the fitness to last 80 minutes