Bendtner fined 100,000 Euros (80,000 GBP) and banned for 1 game.....FOR WEARING PANTS!

by sparky marky Mon Jun 18 2012, 18:16

Just a quick one....

Does anyone else find this ban/fine absolutely ridiculous? When you take into consideration Luis Suarez was only fined £40,000 for the comments he made to Patrice Evra...

He was wearing a pair of pants FFS, hardly crime of the century is it now!! UEFA are just as useless as FIFA. No consistancy....no brains!

Your thoughts??

Cheers
Sparky

by azania Mon Jun 18 2012, 18:18

How much was Spain fined for the racist chanting? These goons have logic ar$e backwards.

by sparky marky Mon Jun 18 2012, 18:25

azania wrote:How much was Spain fined for the racist chanting? These goons have logic ar$e backwards.

Exactly......£45,000 GBP or thereabouts! If i was Bendtner, i'd be feeling VERY hard done by right now.

Personally, he should have had a warning and then the matter finished. I hope he appeals......

by GSC Mon Jun 18 2012, 18:55

He wasn't fined for wearing them, he was fined for displaying them.

UEFAs protecting its sponsors I guess which is the reasoning for the fine.

by mystiroakey Mon Jun 18 2012, 19:04

well its a weeks wages pal-its nothing! what is ridiculas is when Associations/clubs get fined 25k for racist actions by fans!!!!!!!!!

by sparky marky Mon Jun 18 2012, 19:12

Graeme Swann's Cat wrote:He wasn't fined for wearing them, he was fined for displaying them.

UEFAs protecting its sponsors I guess which is the reasoning for the fine.

I know he wasn't fined for wearing them, but you understood what i was getting at.
Do you really think displaying 'PADDY POWER' is a bigger crime than a racist slur........??

by GSC Mon Jun 18 2012, 19:17

The 2 are pretty different instances, not just because 1s a player and the other fined for the actions of its fans.

I get we all hate UEFA/Platini/Blatter.

by sparky marky Mon Jun 18 2012, 19:18

mystiroakey wrote:well its a weeks wages pal-its nothing! what is ridiculas is when Associations/clubs get fined 25k for racist actions by fans!!!!!!!!!

I agree in part. Granted....it's only a weeks wages to him, whether he earns 100k a week or £350 a week, you'd still be miffed to lose money over something that trivial. A wrap on the knuckles and a warning about his future conduct would have been the correct thing to do IMO...

by sparky marky Mon Jun 18 2012, 19:20

Graeme Swann's Cat wrote:The 2 are pretty different instances, not just because 1s a player and the other fined for the actions of its fans.

I get we all hate UEFA/Platini/Blatter.

I hate Blatter alright. He's a detestable old fossil.

by mystiroakey Mon Jun 18 2012, 19:20

Sparky you are totally right- however this hasnt changed what we knew..

No point using the suarez incident in this either- because that was the FA's punishment.

However we know that uefa dont care about racism. Compare UEFA's actions . Like why are they having a pop at the FA for the fan and boarding thing..yet letting spain of with a miniscule fine for racist abuse made by fans.

That i think is a very seperate issue to the displaying of advertsing.

He may have been bunged a million for doing what he did.. Players are explicitly not allowed to advertise products themselves.. This incident is gonna be around for ever giving paddy power loads of free marketing! UEFA do not like that.

by sparky marky Mon Jun 18 2012, 19:24

mystiroakey wrote:Sparky you are totally right- however this hasnt changed what we knew..

No point using the suarez incident in this either- because that was the FA's punishment.

However we know that uefa dont care about racism. Compare UEFA's actions . Like why are they having a pop at the FA for the fan and boarding thing..yet letting spain of with a miniscule fine for racist abuse made by fans.

That i think is a very seperate issue to the displaying of advertsing.

He may have been bunged a million for doing what he did.. Players are explicitly not allowed to advertise products themselves.. This incident is gonna be around for ever giving paddy power loads of free marketing! UEFA do not like that.

Well put mate. You are of course right in what you say. It was a separate organisation re: Luis Suarez, so i was wrong to use that as an example.

And i'd not thought about the possibility of Paddy Power chucking a large envelope Bendtners way to commit his 'crime'. That put's a different slant on it now.....lol

by JamesLincs Mon Jun 18 2012, 19:37

not worth worrying about on bendtners part. its merely pence to him

by mystiroakey Mon Jun 18 2012, 19:37

all i know is that if he wasnt bunged or given free bets or whatever!!

Then paddy power are rubbing there hands right now..

I am 90% sure it was staged though- Its just way to coincedental otherwise- This is PP's most lucritive time . It advertises EURO bets after bets in all types of media. Product placement at its best(bentners ass lol)

Another theory would be he has a massive gambling debt with em and he is being blackmailed!!! but now my mind is running away with me. I am in hollywood territory

The fact that UEFA have made a big deal of it may actually help PP out even more. We are all talking about it and comparing it to bigger crimes with lesser fines!

by **Crimey** Mon Jun 18 2012, 22:14

He was obviously paid to show the pants...I thought that was obvious, the fine is for unauthorised advertising, not for showing his pants.

by mystiroakey Mon Jun 18 2012, 22:16

well its not that obvious crimey- cause its not legal is it. pp could be sued if its on the books. but i do completley agree with ya

by **Crimey** Mon Jun 18 2012, 22:22

He wouldn't have been fined for wearing the pants, it was clear advertising by Bendtner, he'll have been paid to do it if he scored. No reason he would do that otherwise.

That is why the fine is so high because UEFA relies on its sponsors and Paddy Power got unauthorised advertisement.

by Jennifer1984 Mon Jun 18 2012, 22:28

BENTDNER WOULD HAVE BEEN FINED LESS IF HIS PANTS HAD BEEN RACIST, UEFA CONFIRMS

After Denmark striker Niklas Bendtner was fined €100,000 by UEFA for exposing sponsored underwear during a goal celebration against Portugal, UEFA have confirmed that it would have been less if his pants had just featured a racist message.

With Portuguese club Porto only receiving a €20,000 fine from UEFA for racist conduct by their supporters, Niklas Bendtner’s pants have highlighted that UEFA’s main priority is ensuring that advertisers pay vast amounts of money – not that people can participate in or attend sporting events without being subjected to racism.

“Niklas Bendtner’s underpants featured the logo of a well known bookmakers,” explained a UEFA spokesperson. “We have a zero tolerance policy on company logos appearing during matches when we haven't been paid enormous amounts of money for them, in advance, to be seen.”

“If Bendtner’s pants had featured a swastika or if his celebration had been a tribute to The Goodies 1975 hit The Funky Gibbon, then we would have been more lenient, because that wouldn’t upset any sponsors.”

Bendtner expressed his surprise at the severity of the punishment. “I’m a little shocked to be honest – when I heard the fine I thought I must have accidentally played in the golliwog underpants I got for Christmas.”

“But as the UEFA officials explained to me, they’ll get onto eliminating racism in football as soon as they deal with the real scourge of the modern game – ambush marketing.”

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by **Crimey** Mon Jun 18 2012, 22:29

This isn't anything new, it's horrible, but Bendtner's pants are not the first and they won't be the last example of this.

by sparky marky Mon Jun 18 2012, 22:36

Jennifer1984 wrote:BENTDNER WOULD HAVE BEEN FINED LESS IF HIS PANTS HAD BEEN RACIST, UEFA CONFIRMS

After Denmark striker Niklas Bendtner was fined €100,000 by UEFA for exposing sponsored underwear during a goal celebration against Portugal, UEFA have confirmed that it would have been less if his pants had just featured a racist message.

With Portuguese club Porto only receiving a €20,000 fine from UEFA for racist conduct by their supporters, Niklas Bendtner’s pants have highlighted that UEFA’s main priority is ensuring that advertisers pay vast amounts of money – not that people can participate in or attend sporting events without being subjected to racism.

“Niklas Bendtner’s underpants featured the logo of a well known bookmakers,” explained a UEFA spokesperson. “We have a zero tolerance policy on company logos appearing during matches when we haven't been paid enormous amounts of money for them, in advance, to be seen.”

“If Bendtner’s pants had featured a swastika or if his celebration had been a tribute to The Goodies 1975 hit The Funky Gibbon, then we would have been more lenient, because that wouldn’t upset any sponsors.”

Bendtner expressed his surprise at the severity of the punishment. “I’m a little shocked to be honest – when I heard the fine I thought I must have accidentally played in the golliwog underpants I got for Christmas.”

“But as the UEFA officials explained to me, they’ll get onto eliminating racism in football as soon as they deal with the real scourge of the modern game – ambush marketing.”

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by mystiroakey Mon Jun 18 2012, 22:42

Crimey wrote:He wouldn't have been fined for wearing the pants, it was clear advertising by Bendtner, he'll have been paid to do it if he scored. No reason he would do that otherwise.

That is why the fine is so high because UEFA relies on its sponsors and Paddy Power got unauthorised advertisement.

Allready explained all that pal. What I am saying is that i doubt there is gonna be a trail from PP to bendtner, because PP could then get sued. both PP and bendtner have both said they were just lucky pants thats all and originally no marketing ploy at all!!

But you gotta be abit dim to believe that surely Bendtner fined 100,000 Euros (80,000 GBP) and banned for 1 game.....FOR WEARING PANTS! 732107

Bendtner fined 100,000 Euros (80,000 GBP) and banned for 1 game.....FOR WEARING PANTS! 732107

by Guest Mon Jun 18 2012, 22:55

I'm sure he can find some car windows to take his frustrations out on. Can't stick the bloke as a man and as a player. It'll probably be reduced on appeal anyway.

by GSC Mon Jun 18 2012, 23:13

Seems like most people want UEFA to become a crusade against all major world issues. After they solve racism and world hunger, Platini to lead a strike team into Iran.

They're just a football organisation people.

by mystiroakey Mon Jun 18 2012, 23:28

sounds like a plan to me GSC, I think they should just start with the strike team first. the only way to solve racism and world hunger and wars and stuff is to find aliens and abuse them instead. offcourse once we work out that aliens are the same as us and deserve the same rights we are back to square one. then we move on to even more issues surronding sexual prefernces- interracialtransalien would be a relatively uncommon prefernce i suppose.. then we find new aliens-which goes on and on and on..Untill one day the dolphins will be able to breath and they walk out the water talking and smoking cigars- We now have to incorporate them as well.

by GSC Mon Jun 18 2012, 23:29

Sounds like Mass Effect to me Myst

by mystiroakey Mon Jun 18 2012, 23:32

is that game any good

by GSC Mon Jun 18 2012, 23:33

by mystiroakey Mon Jun 18 2012, 23:34

might get 3 and just start from there- my cousin told me to start from the beginning

by GSC Tue Jun 19 2012, 00:15

You want to start from 1 really. You can carry your save file into 2 and 3 and see how decisions made develop.

2 and 3 do have much better combat mechanics though.

by Postie Tue Jun 19 2012, 01:34

It was obvious he was paid for it, plus any fine incurred.

UEFA as usual have different priorities to most of us but what I would be annoyed about (if I was a Denmark fan) was the one game ban.I don't know the tournament rules, but imagine if he was banned from the final group game v Germany when they still had a chance to qualify ?

Ok, he wasn't and it's just a storm in a jock strap. Whistle

by Jennifer1984 Wed Jun 20 2012, 05:26

Taking up a couple of points raised during the course of this thread, I think it's right that UEFA embraces social issues such as racism. The game is a global participation sport, played by all the peoples of the world. It must embrace all races as equal human beings.

Racism is abhorrent in all its vile aspects. If the game is to be noble in its purpose to unite people in sport, then it must oppose this. Not to do so would be neglect and a betrayal of the most basic principles of decency. Also, to ignore the issue would allow the game to be hijacked by those who would use it instead as a vehicle to spread hatred.

In the words of Edmund Burke: For evil to flourish, all that is required is for good men to do nothing.

Other issues such as homophobia should also be addressed in my opinion. When the fans of clubs such as Ipswich Town can maliciously make chants about men who were hounded to death because they were born the way they were (homosexuality is not a "preference") then that too is a blot on the game that should be eradicated.

My satirical post above was intended to draw attention to the disparity between the penalty given to Bendtner for illegal advertising and that meted out for Porto's failure to deal with racist fans. In my opinion, racism (and homophobia) should be dealt with far more harshly. I believe fines are ineffective. The deduction of tournament points (both in qualifying and final stages), or outright banning for persistent offenders is the penalty that club and national sides would consider the most serious.

Deduct two points from Portugal's total for the qualifying stages of Euro 2012, or ban Porto from the Champions League on their next occasion of qualifying and then see how quickly racism would be dealt with in Portugal...!!

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by MtotheC's Wrasslin Biatch Wed Jun 20 2012, 08:23

I think you can only punish a nation's FA to a certain extent for the actions of their fans. Surely its those fans who should incur the majority of the wrath. The Croatian team have done nothing wrong. I.E. Like when the players were desperately pleading with their supporters to stop throwing flares during the Spain game.

Bendtner on the other hand, IS in control of his own actions.

It makes a great headline to say UEFA value sponsorship more than preventing racism, but its simply not true. UEFA are rational enough to acknowledge who is accountable for their actions.

by mystiroakey Wed Jun 20 2012, 09:31

electric -england were banned from europe for 3 years. we are the most progressed nation when it comes to all aspects of fan behaviour..

However i think the point is- when your team and fans are in a national tourny amongst other nations(cl,euro,wc,etc)- fans,fa's,team are as one- and it is the overall responsibilty of the FA.

The individual FA's need to punish fans in there own domestic games to such an extent that they dont bring it to inter club tournies.. If FA's arnt punished then there is no motivation to do anything on a domestic level. when teams are dished out fines that in truth are like giving us a 30 quid parking fine- it doesnt motivate them enough to stop the behaviour of its fans, just like we will still get another parking ticket... It is seen as trivial when the truth is it isnt trivial like a parking fine, its more like a drink driving offence which is offcourse punished with a ban..

by MtotheC's Wrasslin Biatch Wed Jun 20 2012, 09:43

I'm not sure 60,000 IS an insignificant amount of money to a Football Association based in a country with a 4million population you know? Certainly not comparable to a parking ticket.
Also, its not as if Croatia have been given an opportunity, or a timeframe to take action against those fans - if it's even possible to identify them, which I'm assuming it isn't.
Not to mention that this is a cultural issue we're talking about. If anything it should be taken up at Government level. This is an area of the world where genocides have taken place within our living memory. So to expect their FA's to be able to quash in 90 minutes, the ingrained cultural attitudes of a lifetime is naive.

by Jennifer1984 Wed Jun 20 2012, 09:46

Electric Demon wrote:I think you can only punish a nation's FA to a certain extent for the actions of their fans. Surely its those fans who should incur the majority of the wrath. The Croatian team have done nothing wrong. I.E. Like when the players were desperately pleading with their supporters to stop throwing flares during the Spain game.

Bendtner on the other hand, IS in control of his own actions.

It makes a great headline to say UEFA value sponsorship more than preventing racism, but its simply not true. UEFA are rational enough to acknowledge who is accountable for their actions.

I understand entirely what you're saying, Demon, but there is an element of accountability within the team to what Bendtner did.

Whilst I'm not suggesting that his team mates definitely knew he was indulging in Ambush Advertising, if they had done, then it is probable that they would probably have found it quite amusing and may even have egged him on. Such is the nature of football players.

However, if those same players, in that same situation known that he was doing something which could result in the team being deducted points, then it's a reasonable bet they would pull him to one side and put him in the picture. Self policing in the dressing room can nip problems in the bud.... but there has to be the fear of a penalty that would hurt everybody to bring that kind of peer pressure into play.

Another way of putting it is, that if a player knew he was doing something that would have a seriously detrimental effect on the team and the fans, then would a few quid made from Paddy Power be worth the consequences which would be likely to range from ending his international career to being made a pariah in his own country. Blimey... England fans hanged effigies of David Beckham for getting sent off against Argentina in '98.... imagine what would happen to any player who effectively cost us qualification from the tournament..!! He could never show his face on an English football field again.

And think about this.... to impose such a serious sanction as points deduction would cost the FA of whatever country's player did it, literally millions.... possibly tens of millions. The player himself may even be sued. Would any player want to be tied up in extremely expensive litigation for years, with the prospect of having to pay ruinous damages at the end of it..?

Taking this into consideration, if you were a player offered, say £50'000 to indulge in Ambush Advertising, and you knew that those consequences could jump up to bite you,would you do it..?

More fool you if you did.

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by GSC Wed Jun 20 2012, 11:45

People just seem happy to use anything as an excuse to take a pop at UEFA

by mystiroakey Wed Jun 20 2012, 11:50

Electric Demon wrote:I'm not sure 60,000 IS an insignificant amount of money to a Football Association based in a country with a 4million population you know? Certainly not comparable to a parking ticket.
Also, its not as if Croatia have been given an opportunity, or a timeframe to take action against those fans - if it's even possible to identify them, which I'm assuming it isn't.
Not to mention that this is a cultural issue we're talking about. If anything it should be taken up at Government level. This is an area of the world where genocides have taken place within our living memory. So to expect their FA's to be able to quash in 90 minutes, the ingrained cultural attitudes of a lifetime is naive.

Electric i take on board the cultural problems and that it isnt really an FA's job to deal with it. However i refer you back to england being banned and the steps we have made since. Football could take a stance against racism if it wanted and trust me if teams were banned they would- by hook or crook do way more about it!!- off course it wont completly solve it- but it will 100% improve it. 60k really is nothing as well. infact probally less impact to an average person with a parking ticket

by mystiroakey Wed Jun 20 2012, 11:53

The fact is simply this- they arnt making a stance against racism with these punishments- its almost embarrasing.

However i am not gonna get on my high horse and say they should do something about racism.

But my corncern is that it all seems like a con to me- because they are dishing out fines to try and con people into believing they are doing something about racism when the fact is the punishments are immaterial!

by GSC Wed Jun 20 2012, 11:55

UEFA are criticized for handing out punishments for racism
They'd be criticized for not handing out punishments for racism

They just can't win Laugh

by mystiroakey Wed Jun 20 2012, 11:56

GSC would they be critized for handing out a subtible punishement.

they can win if they want to

by mystiroakey Wed Jun 20 2012, 11:58

Dishing out miniscule fines is all talk and no trousers.

Either be honest and say they dont care or do something about it. Its all political spin that has galvinised itself into football and its sickening

by GSC Wed Jun 20 2012, 12:06

Its not that they don't care, they just want to run a football tournament.

Not to mention the 2 incidents are pretty different. How much can a football association control their fans compared 1 person control their actions.

by mystiroakey Wed Jun 20 2012, 12:10

GSC i totally agree with most of what you say- I dont wanna get caught up in a comparison with the two seperate incidents- i have made it very clear they are seperate and not matterial. however the level of fines has raised the topic again. And that is what i am talking about. Many have allways talked about how immaterial the fines are in regards to racism. That should have nothing to do with the advertising fine.. t has just highlighted it again.

by MtotheC's Wrasslin Biatch Wed Jun 20 2012, 12:12

It's not a miniscule fine though is it? And I'd even argue that it's a disproportionate fine, as the people who have committed the crime are nothing to do with the Croatian FA. They are simply Croatian.

To say UEFA aren't taking a stand against racism is ridiculous. Especially as we are discussing fines handed out for racism??? Like Graeme Swan's Cat says, it's criticism of UEFA for criticsm's sake. They do a hell of a lot wrong, but this isn't one of them. For instance, the media got on their high horse about UEFA sanctioning that referees could take the decision to stop a game if racist abuse was occurring, but also saying that players couldn't just walk off, and somehow decided this was a bad decision!

At least it was a decision. And represents a "stand against racism". But because players couldn't take the action themselves, which let's face it - could create chaos, The Sun and Co. use it as a non-existent stick to hit Platini with.

by mystiroakey Wed Jun 20 2012, 12:15

Electric i suppose that is the differnce- I feel it is 100% a miniscule fine, you dont. not sure why. But that is where we differ i suppose. I also feel that individual FA's do have to take some reposobility for individual fans behaviour. But then so does UEFA as well, so i am not arguing that..

by MtotheC's Wrasslin Biatch Wed Jun 20 2012, 12:22

I think taking responsibility for your fans behaviour is infinitely more implementable if you are playing at home - a bit of an ask at a tournament.
I'm not entirely sure what they are supposed to do.

Any suggestions?

by mystiroakey Wed Jun 20 2012, 12:24

By the way electric i am very much on your side when it comes to this(when it boils down to it- its uefas job to run a tourny- nothing else). I have stated my concerns- However i hate the fact that people i suppose like yourself are actually believeing they are doing something about racism when the fact is they arnt. Its political spin

by mystiroakey Wed Jun 20 2012, 12:25

Electric Demon wrote:I think taking responsibility for your fans behaviour is infinitely more implementable if you are playing at home - a bit of an ask at a tournament.
I'm not entirely sure what they are supposed to do.

Any suggestions?

well to start with you have to fix it at home- that then eventually filters through to travelling fans- example- england

by GSC Wed Jun 20 2012, 12:26

ED ultimately has a point. What are UEFA supposed to do? Hand out million pound fines to associations for their fans behaviour in a foreign country?

by Diggers Wed Jun 20 2012, 12:30

Has the FA fixed racism in England ? I dont think so personally, whats happened is more a representation of how we have developed into a multi cultural society. What happens in the stands is more a reflection of the UK today. We do get instances of racism but they are much rarer.
You dont have the same cultural diversity in a lot of the eastern European countries for example so expecting the countries various FA's to change things is a much bigger ask IMO.
The fines are a pointless joke (a bit like the Dutch team come to think of it), Bentners wasn't. It made perfect sense to punish the root cause of the incident..Bendtner.

by MtotheC's Wrasslin Biatch Wed Jun 20 2012, 12:31

But what did the English FA do?
Nothing - it was a culture shift.
England/Britain used to be an exceptionally racist country. The National Front were ridiculously popular for an extremist movement. Times changed and people changed, and therefore those who attended football games changed.

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