America: Land of the Juice Cheating Swine?

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I mean, i know we love America for it's 'make it here, make it anywhere' belief. And sure it has the notion of 'liberty' erected as an icon in one of it's best loved cities. But...

Isn't it more like: succeed at all costs? No more exposed than in the sport we love, a sport corrupted by cheats, and mainly, if we look at it from a statistical point, American cheats.

Thoughts, friends?

emore

I'm very sorry to see such a nasty little thread is still on here...

I'm all for freedom of speech but my guess is a certain Windy would have pulled it as it's just incitement pure and simple.....

I'm sorry it's not been removed......very sorry..

Certainly another measure of how much this board has declined since Windy sadly passed on...

Nothing lasts forever.........

Agreed Truss, gone to the dogs. Windy wouldn't have allowed this. Talk about subtle. What can be done to improve things? Not for me decide, but I'd like to see this davidemore banned for good. Don't read a word he says anyway.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I'm very sorry to see such a nasty little thread is still on here...

I'm all for freedom of speech but my guess is a certain Windy would have pulled it as it's just incitement pure and simple.....

I'm sorry it's not been removed......very sorry..

Certainly another measure of how much this board has declined since Windy sadly passed on...

Nothing lasts forever.........

Good job bumping the thread tho Truss.....

Herman Jaggery wrote: Not for me decide, but I'd like to see this davidemore banned for good. Don't read a word he says anyway.

In that case his continued presence on the board will not worry you too greatly. Has anyone who has an issue with this thread or its contents took the time to report it to a member of the moderation team, or are we to guess at your levels of indignation and outrage?

davidemore wrote:I love Pac but the cramps, the moving through the weights and the reluctance to testing is an issue. Regardless of him being a cheat or not, testing is testing, this is a blood sport for god sake. We need testing. Is the American influence getting to Pac?

Pac did except a drug testing deal but FMJ said it was too late as he did not except it when he put it on the table.. Why is it ok for Floyd to go through the weight divisions while maintaining his strength and power but in order for Pac to do it he had to be Juicing?

Both of them weighed the same at the same age, difference is Floyd was afforded an amateur career whereas Pac wasn't afforded such luxuries and had to fight to put food on the plate. Would love Pac to have called PBF's bluff but sadly he did not so we're all just subjected to more Mayweather baloney.

For once I agree wth Truss, as should be seen from my much er comments. So apologies to Jeff for not reporting it formally. Can you pull it now, please?

I think a culture of aggression and hate has developed on this thread. Now, everyone calm down a notch and consider the threads angle. It is not to insight, disrupt or insult, it is simply to provoke.

I am a provocateur, people. A man who, at times, has pushed the boundaries of what is safe conversation. But, go back through my cultured posts, read my insightful prose, and tell me that i am not here to stir cultured debate.

I dare thee, i implore thee, like a honey bee high on love and honey and bees.

Rowley will not pull this post, TRUSS is using Windy's passing as a way to pull on the guilt strings, and the dude who said he never reads my posts is fibbing.

We're in this together 606v2, let us not turn like a Shakespeare sonnet, let us not attack each other like uneducated brutes... instead... let us... my good people... bromance.

P.S. If Windy were here, and i wish he was, i think he'd be happy that we are all still passionate and opinionated about a sport he loved.

davidemore wrote:I think a culture of aggression and hate has developed on this thread. Now, everyone calm down a notch and consider the threads angle. It is not to insight, disrupt or insult, it is simply to provoke.

I am a provocateur, people. A man who, at times, has pushed the boundaries of what is safe conversation. But, go back through my cultured posts, read my insightful prose, and tell me that i am not here to stir cultured debate.

I dare thee, i implore thee, like a honey bee high on love and honey and bees.

Rowley will not pull this post, TRUSS is using Windy's passing as a way to pull on the guilt strings, and the dude who said he never reads my posts is fibbing.

We're in this together 606v2, let us not turn like a Shakespeare sonnet, let us not attack each other like uneducated brutes... instead... let us... my good people... bromance.

P.S. If Windy were here, and i wish he was, i think he'd be happy that we are all still passionate and opinionated about a sport he loved.

O MY GOD, how irritating is he?

I kinda like him, but tossing Windy's name around like argument currency is ridiculous.

davidemore wrote:I am a provocateur, people. A man who, at times, has pushed the boundaries of what is safe conversation. But, go back through my cultured posts, read my insightful prose, and tell me that i am not here to stir cultured debate.

Okay, you are not here to stir cultured debate. Happy now?

tossing Windy's name around like argument currency is ridiculous..

Couldn't agree more... in fact I would go as far to say it is inappropriate and insulting.

superflyweight wrote:

tossing Windy's name around like argument currency is ridiculous..

Couldn't agree more... in fact I would go as far to say it is inappropriate and insulting.

In fairness, didn't Truss chuck it in first?

Yep - and it was inappropriate.

Agreed. It just seemed the resulting derision was being reserved for emore, that's all.

I see Lance Armstrong has been charged with juicing. I 'll find it quite amusing if he's found guilty given all the adulation he's soaked up over the years.

Sean! How are you mate?

And yeah, I'm not the one who threw in Windy's name, that was TRUSS and it was massively uncool.

Who called me annoying???

Bromance.

Kind of amusing a lawyer telling me what is appropriate..do me a favor...

Would Windy have allowed it?? no.......Is it a compliment to his good name?...yes

As for using it as "Currency"....what a cynical shallow life you must lead....

Don't suppose we are all as cheap as you....

This thread should be taken off.......It's incitement.............

But the fact you all condone it say's more about you than me..

Anyway I'm off ...so you can please yourself...

But make no mistake there is no way I'd cheapen Windy's name...

No hard feelings though.......

But please no hypocritical lawyers!!!

You guys try JA606 by the way just found it...It's good!

Just checked out JA606, what a load of rubbish, never been so thankful for 606v2!

I'm glad you didn't like it........

It's like the old bbc layout............and brings back good memories....Gonna give it a go!!

Nothing really to keep me hear.......especially as all the decent posters are moderators and have to be sensible......

Which is no fun......

Think it's my 7th retirement........maybe It's lucky

Always liked odd numbers...

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TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

As for using it as "Currency"....what a cynical shallow life you must lead....

I just don't agree with using someone's name to advocate your opinion when they're no longer around to back it up.

Truss, I know you liked Windy and wouldn't want to cheapen his name and I'm sure that wasn't your intention. I just don't think that it's necessarily appropriate to use his name as leverage in an argument.

Another retirement, eh? See you in 2 weeks, T-Bone. Until then, I'll miss you.

TRUSS made a mistake, he cheated his friends on 606v2, but let us not attack him as if a juice taking loon. He is simply an American, a good American, and a friend of ours.

Don't leave me TRUSS, don't ever leave me.

Has anyone anymore views on the whole juice issue?

some baseball bloke has just been outed as a man from del monte.

Very nice seanmichaels. Sean, would you juice if you boxed at the elite level?

davidemore wrote:Very nice seanmichaels. Sean, would you juice if you boxed at the elite level?

I'd just drink. As well as making women appear attractive, it also makes time pass quickly and eases pain.

Lol.