Abraham v Stieglitz II

The super middleweight rematch.

Also featuring St George v someone
Sprott v Helenious

Who's watching?

Groves has already fought, he was opening the show. Pointless fight , just one to keep him busy.

Groves beat up a tiny journeyman without too much problem

Might watch the main event, didn't watch it first time around so might as well catching it

Is there a reason they are fighting again? Was it close/controversial a last time or is it because both are german

Think that Helenius shouldn't have too much problem with sprott

It was a good fight first time around, entertaining and close.

Gerber being saved by the ref here.

Absolute joke refereeing. The bloke brought in for Gerber to beat was smashing him around in the second to last round prompting the ref to step in and warn the opponent for no reason then stand between them waiting for Gerber to recover enough to hang on. At one point Gerber actually turned away and crouched so the ref jumped in and warned the opponent again for no reason.

It wouldn't be a German fight card though without it, it's become the norm for the home favourite to get a little assistance.

John Bloody Wayne wrote:Absolute joke refereeing. The bloke brought in for Gerber to beat was smashing him around in the second to last round prompting the ref to step in and warn the opponent for no reason then stand between them waiting for Gerber to recover enough to hang on. At one point Gerber actually turned away and crouched so the ref jumped in and warned the opponent again for no reason.

Laughable. Typical German corruption.

Buncey's on an insane rant about women fighting strippers 17 years ago while he tries to big up women's boxing...

John Bloody Wayne wrote:Buncey's on an insane rant about women fighting strippers 17 years ago while he tries to big up women's boxing...

Buncey probably knew the strippers

Women's boxing on a main card is disgusting. What ever next? man sausage fighting?!

Ban this sick filth.

School Project wrote:Women's boxing on a main card is disgusting. What ever next? man sausage fighting?!

Ban this sick filth.

Haha.

I chose reading about Nietzsche over watching the lasses. How did they do if anyone watched?

I gave Stieglitz the first fight by a couple of rounds, would be good to see him get revenge tonight.

Women boxers should dress like the men.
Well it worked for darts.

Sprott took a bad beating from his cornerman there...

Man Helenius is so awful.

Abraham having a nice, humble ring walk...

Smart start for Stieglitz. Abe was panting in the last couple of rounds of their last fight so Stieglitz should force a high workrate right from the start.

Union Cane wrote:I gave Stieglitz the first fight by a couple of rounds, would be good to see him get revenge tonight.

Got what you wanted.

Shame to see what was hotting up to be a little war end that way though.

That was the right decision, I would back Groves to beat Stieglitz though.

Groves v this version of Stieglitz could be a real fire cracker of a fight. Lots of speed, power and activity. Arthur's face has been rearranged tonight.

If he comes at Groves that recklessly he might not be standing upright.

Abraham seemed clueless in there when Stieglitz piled on the pressure. He doesn't seem to deal with pressure fighters very well. He was always a bit one dimensional with his high guard and sporadic punching but tonight he was really shown up as having no answers and no other game plan. Froch provided the blueprint for beating Abraham.

I had no problem with the retirement as Abraham looked like he didn't want to be in there. He was looking at the ref and his corner for help. He just had no way of dealing with the onslaught of punches.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pg4NU62xUnE

For those who want to watch it

How Boxrec have Stieglitz as the no. 3 Super Middleweight on the planet I'll never know. Surely out of every division, it's pretty much a nailed on 3 in the SMW Division right? Ward, Froch and Kessler the latter 2 being alternative in which way you see fit.

AAs eye was a right mess.

I thought that Stieglitz was very clumsy and leading with the head.

I know the commentators said it was a punch but I am not so sure. Stieglitz only impressed me with work rate, however, I reckon that a more talented fighter than AA will knock him out easily.

Think Groves has a very good chance to beat him in all honesty, just wonder with Groves though, I think we'll find out a few things as to whether he can handle someone coming at him with decent power. He's certain to get hit and put in a few difficult situations by Stieglitz so is a really good test. Sadly, it's for a world title, which I don't quite think it warrants.

Very difficult to tell with foreign commentary but I get the impression that Abraham and his corner thought the fight would be ruled a no contest, definitely looks like it was caused by a clash of heads to me.

The commentators on boxnation stated it was a punch.

Still personally think it was a head clash - Stieglitz was wild and wreckless.

groves reckon stieglitz promised him a fight if he won the title.

id pick groves.
how ironic that he could get a wbo shot AFTER ditching warren.

it was a clear punch that did the damage, the replay between rounds showed it as such, and the commentators on box nation pointed out that the head clash/butt shown on the reply immediately after wasn't were the damage to the eye was done.

groves could do with beating another contender before he tries for a belt, glen johnson is his best win so for and he was getting on a fair bit when they fought.

andrade has offered him the chance (stieglitz) a chance to revenge his earlier loss, and i would persue that fight if i were him.

OasisBFC wrote:groves reckon stieglitz promised him a fight if he won the title.

id pick groves.
how ironic that he could get a wbo shot AFTER ditching warren.

If Groves wins I hope he doesn't call himself world champion in the same division as Froch let alone Ward.

A unification with Froch will be a money spinner though.

azania wrote:

OasisBFC wrote:groves reckon stieglitz promised him a fight if he won the title.

id pick groves.
how ironic that he could get a wbo shot AFTER ditching warren.

If Groves wins I hope he doesn't call himself world champion in the same division as Froch let alone Ward.

A unification with Froch will be a money spinner though.

So what would you call him then if he is holding the WBO World Championship?

Adam D wrote:

azania wrote:

OasisBFC wrote:groves reckon stieglitz promised him a fight if he won the title.

id pick groves.
how ironic that he could get a wbo shot AFTER ditching warren.

If Groves wins I hope he doesn't call himself world champion in the same division as Froch let alone Ward.

A unification with Froch will be a money spinner though.

So what would you call him then if he is holding the WBO World Championship?

A strap-on

Adam D wrote:

azania wrote:

OasisBFC wrote:groves reckon stieglitz promised him a fight if he won the title.

id pick groves.
how ironic that he could get a wbo shot AFTER ditching warren.

If Groves wins I hope he doesn't call himself world champion in the same division as Froch let alone Ward.

A unification with Froch will be a money spinner though.

So what would you call him then if he is holding the WBO World Championship?

The WBO champion. The title World Champion belongs to Ward.

ShahenshahG wrote:

Adam D wrote:

azania wrote:

OasisBFC wrote:groves reckon stieglitz promised him a fight if he won the title.

id pick groves.
how ironic that he could get a wbo shot AFTER ditching warren.

If Groves wins I hope he doesn't call himself world champion in the same division as Froch let alone Ward.

A unification with Froch will be a money spinner though.

So what would you call him then if he is holding the WBO World Championship?

A strap-on

Watching it live you could see that right hand Stieglitz landed when Abe was in the corner shook him right to his boots. I don't think I've ever seen Abraham so hurt by a punch, thought it was pretty clearly the punch that did the damage too personally.

It's frustrating to watch a guy gifted with Abraham's power stand there and not nail somebody as reckless as Stieglitz on the way in. He needs to be taught how to roll with a punch. He's physically tough but stands so straight up he takes the fullest of each shot.

Just rewatched the fight, it was definitely the right hand that caught the eye of Abraham. The heads didn't help...

There was 2 points in the corner where Abraham didn't want the ice on his eye, I'd have to question if Abraham wanted this to be stopped by his corner?

School Project wrote:Just rewatched the fight, it was definitely the right hand that caught the eye of Abraham. The heads didn't help...

There was 2 points in the corner where Abraham didn't want the ice on his eye, I'd have to question if Abraham wanted this to be stopped by his corner?

He looked sulky like he did v Froch. Re the ice, might have just been the agony of having it pressed against his eye?

Watched this last night, Stieglitz could be reckless against AA, he knew it was unlikely he'd get countered.

The right hand definately did the initial damage to the eye, the clash of heads afterwards wouldn't have helped though.

Seanusarrilius wrote:

School Project wrote:Just rewatched the fight, it was definitely the right hand that caught the eye of Abraham. The heads didn't help...

There was 2 points in the corner where Abraham didn't want the ice on his eye, I'd have to question if Abraham wanted this to be stopped by his corner?

He looked sulky like he did v Froch. Re the ice, might have just been the agony of having it pressed against his eye?

As Buncey said post fight 'what were they doing only having a bag of ice, they should have had an enswell.'

I don't think it really matters whether ice or the enswell is used, they both do the same thing... one thing that always confuses me though is how some corners actually use the enswell (applying pressure and then dragging it across the swelling?).

I thought it was my effective to hold in one spot rather than spread the haemotoma?

Anyways, you're right Sean, Abraham was looking very sorry for himself and didn't like being pushed back to the ropes. Thus highlighting my "Swarmers cause counterpunchers/boxerpunchers problems"

azania wrote:

Adam D wrote:

azania wrote:

OasisBFC wrote:groves reckon stieglitz promised him a fight if he won the title.

id pick groves.
how ironic that he could get a wbo shot AFTER ditching warren.

If Groves wins I hope he doesn't call himself world champion in the same division as Froch let alone Ward.

A unification with Froch will be a money spinner though.

So what would you call him then if he is holding the WBO World Championship?

The WBO champion. The title World Champion belongs to Ward.

i'd call vitali a heavyweight champion as well as his brother. win a world title you're a world champ. not the number one in the division, but a world champ still.

Wlad is the world champ. Vitali is a belt holder. With a clear divisional No 1 its an insult to call any supermid a world champ.

That clear divisional number one is injured though Az so it gets to a point when he can no longer live off past glories, he has to keep stepping into the ring and proving he's the best.

In that case the consensus next best should be called the champ or that there isn't a world champ. Would you call Paulie Malinaggi world champion at WW? Its absurd.

Under the current system he is a world champ. It would be like a British champion not being able to call himself that because another British fighter has a world title.

Nothing of the sort. There is only one British champ.

Where there is a clear divisional number 1 its ridiculous to call anyone else a world champ. World champ should signify being the best in the world. Ward has proven that. Stig is nothing but a belt holder. Ditto Froch albeit a damn good one.

Using that logic how can a British champion call himself that if there is a higher rated fighter?