Ireland JWC Squad

Full Name DOB (AGE) Position
Adam Boland 15/07/1993(19) Prop
Edward Bryne 09/09/1993(19) Prop
Jake Caulfield 07/02/1993(20) Prop
Peter Dooley 04/08/1994(18) Prop
Niall Horan 21/04/1993(20) Prop
Brian Scott 09/03/1993(20) Prop
Chris Taylor 11/03/1993(20) Prop
John Andrew 26/05/1993(19) Hooker
Brian Byrne 09/09/1993(19) Hooker
John Donnan 16/02/1993(20) Lock
Sean McCarthy 12/02/1993(20) Lock
Gavin Thornbury 19/10/1993(19) Lock
Conor Joyce 05/07/1993(19) Flanker
Dan Leavy 23/05/1994(18) Flanker
Ryan Murphy 05/03/1993(20) Flanker
Peadar Timmins 08/01/1994(19) Flanker
Josh Van Der Flier 25/04/1993(20) Flanker
John Creighton 20/03/1993(20) Scrumhalf
Luke McGrath 03/02/1993(20) Scrumhalf
David Shanahan 20/06/1993(19) Scrumhalf
Steve Crosbie 10/01/1993(20) Flyhalf
Tom Daly 31/01/1993(20) Centre
Mark Roche 25/01/1993(20) Centre
Rory Scannell 22/12/1993(19) Centre
Max McFarland 13/07/1993(19) Wing
David Panter 03/02/1993(20) Fullback
Rory Scholes 23/04/1993(20) Fullback
Darren Sweetnam 05/05/1993(19) Fullback

Tried formatting that, but it didn’t work.

So – no Olding, Chris Farrell or Henshaw. Farrell has been injured all season, so I’d imagine it’s just bad luck for him.

Henshaw will probably be with the senior team in North America, Olding might well be with the Emerging Ireland team.

No Adam Byrne?!? Olding must be going to America because the emerging Ireland is made up of players not in the JWC and NA squad.

I would have thought that the JWC would have been considered more important than the American tour.

LeinsterFan4life wrote:No Adam Byrne?!? Olding must be going to America because the emerging Ireland is made up of players not in the JWC and NA squad.

I would have thought that the JWC would have been considered more important than the American tour.

Did Byrne not get injured?

Full capped games in NA have to be far more important than the JWC. It is the ideal opportunity to get a few new faces into the team but more importantly it is a great opportunity for likely 2015 RWC participants to play together.

The two Byrnes are twins then? (I mean the prop and the hooker)

Only 3 locks in the squad seem a bit thin.

Adam Byrne played 13 in the Leinster As match Munster As last weekend.

Josh Van Der Flier
Doesn't sound very irish, but what a name to have, wish he was a winger.

The Great Aukster wrote:

LeinsterFan4life wrote:No Adam Byrne?!? Olding must be going to America because the emerging Ireland is made up of players not in the JWC and NA squad.

I would have thought that the JWC would have been considered more important than the American tour.

Did Byrne not get injured?

Full capped games in NA have to be far more important than the JWC. It is the ideal opportunity to get a few new faces into the team but more importantly it is a great opportunity for likely 2015 RWC participants to play together.

Imo the JWC would be much better for the lads. Look at Hendo and JJ they came out stars and ready for the step up to senior level. I don't think the players will be able to shine as much in just 2 meaningless tests in NA. Remember they get to play way more games in the JWC.

I think the pack is where the weakness lies. Every year it seems the backline or the pack has weaknesses. Maybe next year it'll be a perfect storm or quality forwards and backs.

The backline for sure is the weakness Prof. The pack will be much better now with the Byrne twins and Leavy coming back. Also Thornbury and Van De Flier were really good in the 6N but weren't getting started.

The backline will hopefully have learned from the 6N but without the likes of Olding, Farell and Byrne it looks weak.

I noticed we only have 1 wing there. Maybe players still have to be named? Also is this official?

LeinsterFan4life wrote:The backline for sure is the weakness Prof. The pack will be much better now with the Byrne twins and Leavy coming back. Also Thornbury and Van De Flier were really good in the 6N but weren't getting started.

The backline will hopefully have learned from the 6N but without the likes of Olding, Farell and Byrne it looks weak.

The backline looked good in the 6 nations. They're technically good with Scannell, Daly, McGrath, Olding and Scholes all performing well. Crosbie was a mixed bag but he is talented too and hes going into the Leinster academy. The right wing spot was the problem.

The pack on the other hand got blown away by a England pack that was down to 7 men for the game. Leavy coming back will be a boost (going on what I've heard about him). They also need to sort out their scrummaging.

The scrummaging will hopefully be improved by Ed Byrne coming back. His name is always poping up on forums.

Hopefully the pack wil have learned from the 6N and have improved. Dooley was impressive. Very good with ball in hand.

this isn't the final squad. The squad is being named after the Scotland warm up game so expect to see the likes of Adam Byrne there.

LeinsterFan4life wrote:this isn't the final squad. The squad is being named after the Scotland warm up game so expect to see the likes of Adam Byrne there.

L, do you know when that game is being played?

Prof, its on Wednesday day week at 2.30 in Ashbourne.

LeinsterFan4life wrote:

The Great Aukster wrote:

LeinsterFan4life wrote:No Adam Byrne?!? Olding must be going to America because the emerging Ireland is made up of players not in the JWC and NA squad.

I would have thought that the JWC would have been considered more important than the American tour.

Did Byrne not get injured?

Full capped games in NA have to be far more important than the JWC. It is the ideal opportunity to get a few new faces into the team but more importantly it is a great opportunity for likely 2015 RWC participants to play together.

Imo the JWC would be much better for the lads. Look at Hendo and JJ they came out stars and ready for the step up to senior level. I don't think the players will be able to shine as much in just 2 meaningless tests in NA. Remember they get to play way more games in the JWC.

The hierarchy has to be Ireland first and then the u20s. In this Lions year Ireland will be without 9 first choice players for the NA tour - most of whom would be world cup contenders. Replacing them with the best alternatives possible has to be the priority, and the NA tour is a rare opportunity to see how some could make the step up playing alongside established players. Olding has stepped up beyond u20 level, so has Henshaw, they will learn nothing from the JWC but could get their first caps in a low pressure environment and invaluable experience of Test rugby.

The JWC has a ridiculously crammed playing schedule that interferes with the provincial pre-season conditioning programs. It also has some physical mismatches that prove nothing other than some countries have big pools to pick from. Jackson was rightly pulled last year so that he could be integrated with his team. Hanrahan may have been a star at the JWC but that hasn't convinced Penney he can step up, so the decision should be a no-brainer for the players.

LeinsterFan4life wrote:I would have thought that the JWC would have been considered more important than the American tour.

You serious?

Absolutely delighted for Stuart Olding if this means he's in the frame for North America- over the moon for the lad!

The Great Aukster wrote:Hanrahan may have been a star at the JWC but that hasn't convinced Penney he can step up, so the decision should be a no-brainer for the players.

Penney doesn't believe in throwing young guys into the spotlight like that. He wants them to develop their game and confidence away from the limelight. He has a fairly decent success rate doing it this way, Dan Carter, who was also 'held back' for a year or two to develop and Bleyenthal (who captained the Baby Blacks and was nominated for Young Player of the Year like JJ).

Young Anscombe seems to have lost his way now, so maybe Penney knows what he is doing.

Some background info on Sean McCarthy 12/02/1993(20) Lock.

He is Mick Galwey nephew and is from the same small village of Currow where Mick Doye, Moss Keane, Mick Galwey & JJ Hanrahan come from. He has played minor gaelic for Kerry so should be a good under a high ball.

Darren Sweetnam 05/05/1993(19) Fullback. This time last year was playing Senior Hurling for Cork, which is quite an achievement for him at his age. Will already have the big game temperment.

Has also represented Ireland at U16 level at Hockey & Basketball. Played outhalf when in school (Bandon Grammar).

Sin é wrote:

The Great Aukster wrote:Hanrahan may have been a star at the JWC but that hasn't convinced Penney he can step up, so the decision should be a no-brainer for the players.

Penney doesn't believe in throwing young guys into the spotlight like that. He wants them to develop their game and confidence away from the limelight. He has a fairly decent success rate doing it this way, Dan Carter, who was also 'held back' for a year or two to develop and Bleyenthal (who captained the Baby Blacks and was nominated for Young Player of the Year like JJ).

Young Anscombe seems to have lost his way now, so maybe Penney knows what he is doing.

How has Anscombe lost his way - starting every week for the Chiefs and taking the kicks ahead of Cruden?

Anscombe scored a hat trick last week did he not? Starts a 15 now.

The Great Aukster wrote:

Sin é wrote:

The Great Aukster wrote:Hanrahan may have been a star at the JWC but that hasn't convinced Penney he can step up, so the decision should be a no-brainer for the players.

Penney doesn't believe in throwing young guys into the spotlight like that. He wants them to develop their game and confidence away from the limelight. He has a fairly decent success rate doing it this way, Dan Carter, who was also 'held back' for a year or two to develop and Bleyenthal (who captained the Baby Blacks and was nominated for Young Player of the Year like JJ).

Young Anscombe seems to have lost his way now, so maybe Penney knows what he is doing.

How has Anscombe lost his way - starting every week for the Chiefs and taking the kicks ahead of Cruden?

I'm going on that the Blues dumped him. Here is a quote from him about it.

"This year was certainly very tough, for a 20-year-old first-five trying to learn the ropes," he said of his season with the Blues.

"We didn't perform, there are no excuses for that. But I thought I was still developing and growing. Rugby is pretty cut-throat. They feel they need to win next year which they do, they didn't feel I was the man for the job. But I'd like to think my career isn't washed up just yet."

Early days with the Chiefs still for him.

LeinsterFan4life wrote:Anscombe scored a hat trick last week did he not? Starts a 15 now.

Yes, against the Rebels though. All his starts for the Chiefs have been at fullback (so I suppose you could say he has lost his way at becoming an outhalf)!

Id say he is doing fine for himself now starting for the chiefs and first choice goal kicker. On the other hand JJ is still playing AIL and Munster A. I know which one is further in their careers.

LeinsterFan4life wrote:Id say he is doing fine for himself now starting for the chiefs and first choice goal kicker. On the other hand JJ is still playing AIL and Munster A. I know which one is further in their careers.

JJ is younger than Anscombe. If JJ is still playing AIL & Ireland A this time next year, then their career paths would be comparable.

It seems the Chiefs are handling Anscombe in a similar way to the way Penney plans to develop JJ by playing him in a less pressurised position.

PS - Cruden's form is very poor this season.

Lets hope JJ does get his chance ,finally next year. It really should have been this season but at least he did get the odd cap.

Sin é wrote:

LeinsterFan4life wrote:Id say he is doing fine for himself now starting for the chiefs and first choice goal kicker. On the other hand JJ is still playing AIL and Munster A. I know which one is further in their careers.

JJ is younger than Anscombe. If JJ is still playing AIL & Ireland A this time next year, then their career paths would be comparable.

It seems the Chiefs are handling Anscombe in a similar way to the way Penney plans to develop JJ by playing him in a less pressurised position.

PS - Cruden's form is very poor this season.

So if the Chiefs are handling Anscombe in a similar way to Penney is handling JJ and GA has lost his way, then JJ must also have lost his way.

Of course Anscombe is playing in a different position (and Carter before him) at a high level and learning that game - JJ isn't.

Watched the Shannon v UCD play-off game at the weekend (oh how my club have fallen). There was one very bright spark for Shannon and that was Sean McCarthy. Made some big breaks, showed good toe for a big lad, was solid in the lineouts and two moments in defence stood out. One was when a winger was nearly away and he made a vital tap tackle and the other was when he lined up the opposition outhalf and smashed him. It was a big blow when he went off injured.

Luke Marshall is being given the summer off to fully recover from his concussions so looking more likely Olding will end up with the full squad in North America

marty2086 wrote:Luke Marshall is being given the summer off to fully recover from his concussions so looking more likely Olding will end up with the full squad in North America

Good to hear,hopefully he'll come back fit and well next season.

Squad:


Adam Boland (Lansdowne/Connacht)
Edward Byrne (UCD /Leinster)
Adam Byrne (UCD/Leinster)
Bryan Byrne (UCD/Leinster)
Steve Crosbie (Old Belvedere/Leinster)
Thomas Daly (Lansdowne/Leinster)
John Donnan (Ballynahinch/Ulster
Peter Dooley (Leinster)
Thomas Farrell (Lansdowne/Leinster)
Ryan Furniss (Worcester/Exile)
Conor Joyce (Malone/Ulster)
Darragh Leader (Galwegians/Connacht)
Daniel Leavy (UCD /Leinster)
Sean McCarthy (Shannon/Munster)
Luke McGrath (UCD/Leinster) Captain
George McGuigan (Newcastle Falcons/Exile)
Ryan Murphy (Dolphin/Munster)
Jack O'Donoghue (UL Bohemians/Munster)
David Panther (Corinthians/Connacht)
Mark Roche (Lansdowne/Connacht)
Rory Scannell (Dolphin/Munster)
Rory Scholes (Belfast Harlequins /Ulster)
David Shanahan (Clontarf/Leinster)
Darren Sweetnam (UCC/Munster)
Christopher Taylor (Malone/Ulster)
Gavin Thornbury (UCD/Leinster)
Peadar Timmins (UCD/Leinster)
Josh Van Der Flier (UCD/Leinster)

Adam Boland (Lansdowne/Connacht) Prop
Edward Byrne (UCD /Leinster) Prop
Bryan Byrne (UCD/Leinster) Hooker
Steve Crosbie (Old Belvedere/Leinster) Flyhalf
Thomas Daly (Lansdowne/Leinster) Centre
John Donnan (Ballynahinch/Ulster) Lock
Peter Dooley (Leinster) Prop
Conor Joyce (Malone/Ulster) Flanker
Daniel Leavy (UCD /Leinster) Flanker
Sean McCarthy (Shannon/Munster) Lock
Luke McGrath (UCD/Leinster) Captain Scrumhalf
Ryan Murphy (Dolphin/Munster) Flanker
David Panther (Corinthians/Connacht) Fullback
Mark Roche (Lansdowne/Connacht) Centre
Rory Scannell (Dolphin/Munster) Centre
Rory Scholes (Belfast Harlequins /Ulster) Fullback
David Shanahan (Clontarf/Leinster) Scrumhalf
Darren Sweetnam (UCC/Munster) Fullback
Christopher Taylor (Malone/Ulster) Prop
Gavin Thornbury (UCD/Leinster) Lock
Peadar Timmins (UCD/Leinster) Flanker
Josh Van Der Flier (UCD/Leinster) Flanker

Now included in JWC:
Adam Byrne (UCD/Leinster)
Ryan Furniss (Worcester/Exile)
Thomas Farrell (Lansdowne/Leinster)
Darragh Leader (Galwegians/Connacht)
George McGuigan (Newcastle Falcons/Exile)
Jack O'Donoghue (UL Bohemians/Munster)

Now Excluded from DA's original JWC list:
Jake Caulfield 07/02/1993(20) Prop
Niall Horan 21/04/1993(20) Prop
Brian Scott 09/03/1993(20) Prop
John Andrew 26/05/1993(19) Hooker
John Creighton 20/03/1993(20) Scrumhalf
Max McFarland 13/07/1993(19) Wing

So 13 Leinster, 5 Munster, 4 Ulster, 4 Connacht and 2 Exiles. It's interesting that two of the guys - Roche and Boland are listed as Connacht but play at Lansdowne?

The Great Aukster wrote:

Now Excluded from DA's original JWC list:
Jake Caulfield 07/02/1993(20) Prop
Niall Horan 21/04/1993(20) Prop
Brian Scott 09/03/1993(20) Prop
John Andrew 26/05/1993(19) Hooker
John Creighton 20/03/1993(20) Scrumhalf
Max McFarland 13/07/1993(19) Wing

So 13 Leinster, 5 Munster, 4 Ulster, 4 Connacht and 2 Exiles. It's interesting that two of the guys - Roche and Boland are listed as Connacht but play at Lansdowne?

Did the tour dates clash with his One Direction comittments?

Looking forward to seeing Adam Byrne in action, have only seen him play once but have heard/read great things...

Byrne triplets????

Mickado wrote:Looking forward to seeing Adam Byrne in action, have only seen him play once but have heard/read great things...

he is a prop isnt he? very good hands. Saw him playing SCt rugby.

I really don't think so MrsP.

Bryan Byrne:

Spoiler:

Edward Byrne:

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Adam Byrne:

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GunsGerms wrote:

Mickado wrote:Looking forward to seeing Adam Byrne in action, have only seen him play once but have heard/read great things...

he is a prop isnt he? very good hands. Saw him playing SCt rugby.

No Adam is the winger / centre. Can't remember which of the other two is the prop, but one's a prop and the other is a hooker.

The Ireland games are being shown on TG4

Pool B Fixtures - Junior World Championship 2013(All times are local) -

05 Jun, 18:45 Ireland - Australia Stade de la Rabine, Vannes
05 Jun, 20:45 New Zealand - Fiji Stade de la Rabine, Vannes
09 Jun, 18:45 Ireland - Fiji Stade de la Rabine, Vannes
09 Jun, 20:45 New Zealand - Australia Stade de la Rabine, Vannes
13 Jun, 18:45 New Zealand - Ireland Stade de la Rabine, Vannes
13 Jun, 20:45 Australia - Fiji Stade de la Rabine, Vannes

Mickado wrote:I really don't think so MrsP.

Bryan Byrne:

Spoiler:

Edward Byrne:

Spoiler:

Adam Byrne:

Spoiler:

You may be right Bikkies!

Call it women's intuition

Mickado wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:

Mickado wrote:Looking forward to seeing Adam Byrne in action, have only seen him play once but have heard/read great things...

he is a prop isnt he? very good hands. Saw him playing SCt rugby.

No Adam is the winger / centre. Can't remember which of the other two is the prop, but one's a prop and the other is a hooker.

Ok I was thinking of one of the brothers.

Anyone know anything about the Aussie team? Ireland had a better team last season but these things change from year to year.

I see the Aussies are picking loads of islanders in their squad.

Team named

http://www.irishrugby.ie/news/29267.php

15 - Rory Scannell (Dolphin/Munster)
14 - Adam Byrne (UCD/Leinster)
13 - Thomas Farrell (Lansdowne/Leinster)
12 - Thomas Daly (Lansdowne/Leinster)
11 - Rory Scholes (Belfast Harlequins/Ulster)
10 - Steve Crosbie (Old Belvedere/Leinster)
9 - Luke McGrath (UCD/Leinster) (capt)
1 - Peter Dooley (Lansdowne/Leinster)
2 - George McGuigan (Newcastle Falcons/Exile)
3 - Adam Boland (Lansdowne/Connacht)
4 - Peadar Timmins (UCD/Leinster)
5 - John Donnan (Ballynahinch/Ulster)
6 - Conor Joyce (Malone/Ulster)
7 - Josh van der Flier (UCD/Leinster)
8 - Ryan Murphy (Dolphin/Munster)

Replacements:

16 - Bryan Byrne (UCD/Leinster)
17 - Edward Byrne (UCD/Leinster)
18 - Ryan Furniss (Worcester Warriors/Exile)
19 - Sean McCarthy (Shannon/Munster)
20 - Daniel Leavy (UCD/Leinster)
21 - David Shanahan (Clontarf/Leinster)
22 - Mark Roche (Lansdowne/Connacht)
23 - Darragh Leader (Galwegians/Connacht)

Who is Eoghan Masterson? We (Scotland) seem to have poached him from you. He's on the bench for our under-20's game against Argentina tomorrow. Who is this guy?

Pat_Mustard wrote:Who is Eoghan Masterson? We (Scotland) seem to have poached him from you. He's on the bench for our under-20's game against Argentina tomorrow. Who is this guy?

Some fella from Leinster. He made the bench for Ireland in the U20 6 nations. I have never seen him play but he is an 8.

Guess he must have some Scottish ancestry, but it seems a bit weird for an under-20s player to switch allegiance midway through a season.

Pat_Mustard wrote:Guess he must have some Scottish ancestry, but it seems a bit weird for an under-20s player to switch allegiance midway through a season.

He could be half Scottish or something like that. Hes the 6th U20 players from Ireland playing for different teams this year. In a recent U20 game between USA and Canada, 5 players were from Ireland.

Dont forget this game is on sky on the red button as well as TG4. Coverage starts at 5:45

3-0 Ireland,I missed the first 10 minutes so it's been all Australia from the little I've seen.They have a lot of possession without doing much with it and the front row match ups look ridiculous,the Oz LH is a monster and makes our TH look like an U16 player.

Scrappy game so far. Ireland leading 3 - 0.