Ireland JWC Squad

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Full Name DOB (AGE) Position
Adam Boland 15/07/1993(19) Prop
Edward Bryne 09/09/1993(19) Prop
Jake Caulfield 07/02/1993(20) Prop
Peter Dooley 04/08/1994(18) Prop
Niall Horan 21/04/1993(20) Prop
Brian Scott 09/03/1993(20) Prop
Chris Taylor 11/03/1993(20) Prop
John Andrew 26/05/1993(19) Hooker
Brian Byrne 09/09/1993(19) Hooker
John Donnan 16/02/1993(20) Lock
Sean McCarthy 12/02/1993(20) Lock
Gavin Thornbury 19/10/1993(19) Lock
Conor Joyce 05/07/1993(19) Flanker
Dan Leavy 23/05/1994(18) Flanker
Ryan Murphy 05/03/1993(20) Flanker
Peadar Timmins 08/01/1994(19) Flanker
Josh Van Der Flier 25/04/1993(20) Flanker
John Creighton 20/03/1993(20) Scrumhalf
Luke McGrath 03/02/1993(20) Scrumhalf
David Shanahan 20/06/1993(19) Scrumhalf
Steve Crosbie 10/01/1993(20) Flyhalf
Tom Daly 31/01/1993(20) Centre
Mark Roche 25/01/1993(20) Centre
Rory Scannell 22/12/1993(19) Centre
Max McFarland 13/07/1993(19) Wing
David Panter 03/02/1993(20) Fullback
Rory Scholes 23/04/1993(20) Fullback
Darren Sweetnam 05/05/1993(19) Fullback

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So – no Olding, Chris Farrell or Henshaw. Farrell has been injured all season, so I’d imagine it’s just bad luck for him.

Henshaw will probably be with the senior team in North America, Olding might well be with the Emerging Ireland team.

Well good luck for getting in the semis as well. 

HammerofThunor wrote:

asoreleftshoulder wrote:What was that penalty for with 5 minutes left when the Kiwi didn't roll away it looked like he gave us the penalty then reversed it.That should have been a yellow for them really imo.

The kiwi wasn't blocking the ball and the ref called it. Then the Irish player started kicking out at the kiwi on the floor. So penalty. Pretty straight forward.

And yeah England are through. Although if France beat south Africa heavily without scoring tries Ireland could still go through (not should about Argentina who are also on 10 points)

Actually he give the penalty against the New Zealand player for lieing on the wrong side/interfering with lost ball, then reversed it for the rucking by the Irish prop.

Not so much rucking as recklessly flailing his leg in the ruck. Real shame for Ireland as they had momentum and could've gone for the corner flag and built some real pressure.

Artful_Dodger wrote:

HammerofThunor wrote:

asoreleftshoulder wrote:What was that penalty for with 5 minutes left when the Kiwi didn't roll away it looked like he gave us the penalty then reversed it.That should have been a yellow for them really imo.

The kiwi wasn't blocking the ball and the ref called it. Then the Irish player started kicking out at the kiwi on the floor. So penalty. Pretty straight forward.

And yeah England are through. Although if France beat south Africa heavily without scoring tries Ireland could still go through (not should about Argentina who are also on 10 points)

Actually he give the penalty against the New Zealand player for lieing on the wrong side/interfering with lost ball, then reversed it for the rucking by the Irish prop.

I don't think did. I think he just held up an arm for the penalty which looked like he gave it to Ireland. The ref clear said the ball was available. Not 100%.

Not being funny here or anything, but that was a Young Leinster 2nd-half v the Baby Blacks. 

We need our 1st team v their 1st team.

At the RDS. 

We'd take em.

Artful_Dodger wrote:

kiakahaaotearoa wrote:Hard luck boys. Finished by far the stronger there. You're in the semis though and good luck for that. 

Don't England have better points difference?

Possibly.... Poor yanks

Nah, his hand was directed as penalty for Ireland, then he called the Irish tighthead over briefly and reversed it.  It was reckless by our tighthead and probably deserved to be reversed.

HammerofThunor wrote:

asoreleftshoulder wrote:What was that penalty for with 5 minutes left when the Kiwi didn't roll away it looked like he gave us the penalty then reversed it.That should have been a yellow for them really imo.

The kiwi wasn't blocking the ball and the ref called it. Then the Irish player started kicking out at the kiwi on the floor. So penalty. Pretty straight forward.

And yeah England are through. Although if France beat south Africa heavily without scoring tries Ireland could still go through (not should about Argentina who are also on 10 points)

Ah I had a stream with French commentary and I'm at work so couldn't see that.It didn't look like the ball was available as it took our 9 an age to get the ball and it wasn't for lack of trying.Anyway that's the way it goes unfortunately.

My impression was the halfback ball was slapped down and the arm went out and then the kick occurred by the prop and he overturned the decision. Whatever it was, it was feckin stupid from the Irish prop.

Carl Te Nana on New Zealand Television reckons that the yellow cards determined the game,shame because I only caught the last 5 minutes and ireland were every bit in that game.

aucklandlaurie wrote:Carl Te Nana on New Zealand Television reckons that the yellow cards determined the game,shame because I only caught the last 5 minutes and ireland were every bit in that game.

Yeah we just stood off NZ way too much and let them make easy metres.They really made us pay.

Gee France 7 leading SA  5 after 12 minutes

Artful_Dodger wrote:

HammerofThunor wrote:

asoreleftshoulder wrote:What was that penalty for with 5 minutes left when the Kiwi didn't roll away it looked like he gave us the penalty then reversed it.That should have been a yellow for them really imo.

The kiwi wasn't blocking the ball and the ref called it. Then the Irish player started kicking out at the kiwi on the floor. So penalty. Pretty straight forward.

And yeah England are through. Although if France beat south Africa heavily without scoring tries Ireland could still go through (not should about Argentina who are also on 10 points)

Actually he give the penalty against the New Zealand player for lieing on the wrong side/interfering with lost ball, then reversed it for the rucking by the Irish prop.

He actually didn't artful. He put his hand up the wrong way initially to award the NZ penalty but he clearly told Taylor that the ball was playable which was why he didn't ping the ABs. He was right

After the first 10mins of the second half i thought here we go another mike Ruddock team falling apart...but they did were exceptional in the last 20. Very unlucky...but did make some basic mistakes

Standulstermen wrote:

Artful_Dodger wrote:

HammerofThunor wrote:

asoreleftshoulder wrote:What was that penalty for with 5 minutes left when the Kiwi didn't roll away it looked like he gave us the penalty then reversed it.That should have been a yellow for them really imo.

The kiwi wasn't blocking the ball and the ref called it. Then the Irish player started kicking out at the kiwi on the floor. So penalty. Pretty straight forward.

And yeah England are through. Although if France beat south Africa heavily without scoring tries Ireland could still go through (not should about Argentina who are also on 10 points)

Actually he give the penalty against the New Zealand player for lieing on the wrong side/interfering with lost ball, then reversed it for the rucking by the Irish prop.

He actually didn't artful. He put his hand up the wrong way initially to award the NZ penalty but he clearly told Taylor that the ball was playable which was why he didn't ping the ABs. He was right

I stand corrected....I thought he put his hand up towards Ireland for Ireland penalty then after a brief word with our tighthead blew his whistle again this time towards NZ.  But if he put his hand up the wrong way that might explain it.

Yeah it looked that way but he definitely just made an error. I thought he was quite poor but I think both sides could have cause for complaint. NZ at ruck and ourselves at the scrum

Are Ireland in  effect out of the JWC?

I mean they did run NZ close today. so it would be a shame if they was.

SecretFly wrote:Yep, proud of the effort, especially when they looked mentally and physically out of it straight after half time.

But simply, it's refreshing to see anything attacking towards the end of a game in an Irish jersey...when it's against New Zealand it's a bonus.

Perfectly put squire. I'm so proud and even more hopeful after that game.

Believe. 

@ Majestic, its still possible. But we really needed another try there man.

We leaked too many easy ones as well.

The Irish scrumhalf couldn't get the ball, because Taylor's weight was on it. Taylor couldn't even see what was behind him and was looking for purchase to move himself - no malicious intent involved. That's why he looked so bemused when the referee told him the penalty was being reversed.

The Irish lads did really well considering the massive size difference they were conceding. Lyn Jones' comments were bordering on the insulting after the game though.

kiakahaaotearoa wrote:Not so much rucking as recklessly flailing his leg in the ruck. Real shame for Ireland as they had momentum and could've gone for the corner flag and built some real pressure.

It was pretty silly from the Irish guy, pity. Kiwi hex continues.

The Great Aukster wrote:The Irish scrumhalf couldn't get the ball, because Taylor's weight was on it. Taylor couldn't even see what was behind him and was looking for purchase to move himself - no malicious intent involved. That's why he looked so bemused when the referee told him the penalty was being reversed.

The Irish lads did really well considering the massive size difference they were conceding. Lyn Jones' comments were bordering on the insulting after the game though.

What did he say?

France beating SA by a point with 10 minutes left,we need them to win by 8 or more.

Great effort from Ireland. In the end they lacked a bit of composure and I also thought they made too many unforced errors throughout the game but overall you'd have to be happy with the performance. Once the breakdown evened up Ireland could get their hands on the ball and as in the previous matches they looked very dangerous.

To many unforced errors and some soft tries conceded. We shouldn't be happy after that. We could have won.

the first two tries were very soft, as was the 4th. Ruddock even hooked the winger after the first try.

It's a shame but this was an unfancied group missing their star quality in henshaw, olding and Farrell. We have produced packs that have mixed it with the best for two years in a row now. That's a massive positive and there seem to be two decent locks and a number of good front rows in this group.

Feckless Rogue wrote:To many unforced errors and some soft tries conceded. We shouldn't be happy after that. We could have won.

Positives were Scrums, passing, handling, ball carrying and squad depth.
Negatives were defense, breakdown and lineouts. 

Overall you have to be happy. The defense and lineouts are much easier to fix than attack and scrums. Most of the time in this tournament Ireland have gotten thumped but those days are gone and progress is being made. 

Some of the tries came from poor defense but we also have to give NZs attack some credit.

We still need to become much more natural at passing and receiving at pace.  Far too many players received passes in static positions and then found themselves crowded out or taken down before they even had time to pick a line, think of a line or run it.  We should have players coming onto passes at speed more frequently so that bulk becomes much more effective at breaking through or sliding past and pulling away.

great to see crosbie, leavy and daly in the leinster academy, serious potential

I don't see Crosbie threatening the Leinster team but the other two have Potential particularly Leavy. Of that bunch you could probably say all the pack could have good provincial careers at least. It gets a bit thinner in the backs but there are some good eggs

Is Leavy more of a 6 or a 7?

7 Rory. He played 6 today to accommodate van der flier who is also a 7. The plan was seemingly to combat savea by playing two 7's but the way the reffed saw the breakdown hurt us (and NZ in truth)

Left for work with the game sewn up at 31-15 so to see it was 31-26 looks like we only just got there. I thought the early run down the left side was a try though. Replays dont show the foot out 5 or so yards out...not from what I could see anyway.

Good effort from Ireland mainly up front where the pack drove through us well, easily at times.

What a match. Well done to the BBs. Very proud of our lads. Some massive talents in that team, thought the Byrnes were excellent with the ball in hand (the brothers, not Adam the winger).

While disappointed that we lost I have to say I'm excited with how our youth setup is improving.A few years ago we played the BB's and only Nevin Spence looked like he could physically compete with them,the next year was the same except Zebo was the lone player who looked up to it.This year I would say only our back 3 looked overpowered and our scrum was immense.
I don't know if NZ can win the tournament,I think their scrum looks very shaky as they couldn't dominate the Aussies either and both S.A. and England could make them suffer.

Was Adam carrying a knock or was it just ruthlessness from Ruddock after some shocking defence.

I'm not sure Ireland team has the most outstanding individuals but more that it's good all round and gels really well.

I'll say at least one of the props, Leavy, Van der Flier, McGrath, Scholes, will all get international caps.

I'm pretty sure England won't hurt the ABs, apart from if we have about 50 scrums. I don't think it's a great Baby Blacks team but it's not a vintage England one either. The usual collection of hurly-burly big-eared forwards with a few lumpen backs. Not much imagination and players like Devoto...the less said about the better. 

Ireland meanwhile have definitely improved at this level massively. I think SA may retain their crown, they really do have some Goliaths.

Not only did SA have some monsters, but for under U20s they have some guys (the captain and the locks today with beards) that look like theyre the other side of 30.

gleesonisgod wrote:Was Adam carrying a knock or was it just ruthlessness from Ruddock after some shocking defence.

I'm not sure Ireland team has the most outstanding individuals but more that it's good all round and gels really well.

I'll say at least one of the props, Leavy, Van der Flier, McGrath, Scholes, will all get international caps.

Adam Byrne got hauled off because his defense was all over the place. NZ were waltzing down his wing and he was missing simple tackles. In the first match he butchered a few try scoring opportunities. Don't want to be too harsh on him but he was the most hyped up player coming into the tournament and he performed the worst of the Irish.


In the backs I think Tom Farrell was thee outstanding Irish talent on show with Crosbie, Scholes, Daly, McGrath, Shanahan, Sweetnam and Scannell are also very good prospects on top of the missing trio of Chris Farrell, Olding and Henshaw (I'm not 100% sold on Henshaw yet).

In the forwards its harder to say. It wasn't the biggest pack in the world. The Byrne twins made a big impact when they came on. Last years pack had a few more individual talents (Furlong, Conan, Gilsenan, Beirne, Scannell etc) while this years backs had. I think there was another tighthead (Jamie Dever) missing.