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Luke Campbell v Andy Harris

12 Rounds Welterweight: Kell Brook v Carson Jones

Vacant Commonwealth Lightweight Title: Derry Mathews v Tommy Coyle

WBC International featherweight title: Lee Selby v Viorel Simion

Six rounds middleweight: Anthony Ogogo v Gary Boulden



There seems to be a bit of hype surrounding Luke Campbell, a lot created by Eddie,  so will be interesting to see how he does.

Carson Jones is apparently going to try and physically kill Brook.  Brook needs to do better this time.

Derry really doesn't help himself on social media so I won't mind him getting a good test.

Looks like a decent match up for Selby and real progress to be made for the winner towards a crack at the WBC belt.

Ogogo looked like he wouldn't have the power to punch his way out of a wet paper bag in his last outing.  Now he's a pro he needs to work on his heavy hitting, he threw and landed heaps of power shots to no effect last time.  Flash boxer but does he bite.

Strongback wrote:Rumours are its:

Brook V Senchenko

or

Brook v Mosley

Senchenko more of a long name than big name. If its Mosley, then that hardly ups his credibility. Both would be disappointing if its being built up as a big opponent, though arguably at least a step up from the usual fodder

Mayweathers cellmate wrote:IMO people need to accept Brook just isn't that good. Two struggles against a barely top 20 fighter isn't the form of a world champ.

2 struggles? Really, 2?

The first Jones fight is the only fight of Brooks career to date that has been a struggle, everything else has been a walk in the park

Berto struggled with Zaveck and Collazo, Malignaggi struggled with Cano and Guerrero struggled with Aydin in parts and they were all world champs. Fighters struggle, it happens

WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs wrote:

Mayweathers cellmate wrote:IMO people need to accept Brook just isn't that good. Two struggles against a barely top 20 fighter isn't the form of a world champ.

2 struggles? Really, 2?

The first Jones fight is the only fight of Brooks career to date that has been a struggle, everything else has been a walk in the park

Berto struggled with Zaveck and Collazo, Malignaggi struggled with Cano and Guerrero struggled with Aydin in parts and they were all world champs. Fighters struggle, it happens

He struggled in both carson jones fights. You also need to consider that jones has lost 25% of all his fights and is barely top 20. Should have been a very easy fight for brook.

No he didn't, last night was easy for him and he barely lost a round. How did he struggle?

Salido lost about 25% of his fights but he is still world class. Fact is Jones lost 7 of his (now) 10 losses before he was 22, he was matched tough and against light middleweights and middleweights

Jones isn't world class but he always comes to fight so anyone is going to have to take at least a couple shots throughout a fight

Much improved from Kell this time round - thought the work rate was higher and he seemed to 'get' the difficulty of his opponent a whole lot better than the first Jones fight.

Still a massive step up to the top level and will need to make another step in the same direction IMO.

WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs wrote:No he didn't, last night was easy for him and he barely lost a round. How did he struggle?

Salido lost about 25% of his fights but he is still world class. Fact is Jones lost 7 of his (now) 10 losses before he was 22, he was matched tough and against light middleweights and middleweights

Jones isn't world class but he always comes to fight so anyone is going to have to take at least a couple shots throughout a fight

He struggled in the first fight and in the second he struggled because he got hit by a lot of punches and sustained a lot of damage, just look at brooks face.

The guy has lost 10 times in 35 fights which is actually about a 33% losing record.

Rubbish, there was not a lot of punches landed. Jones barely touched him and his face wasn't damaged, his nose was and it was from ONE shot, not a sustained punishment unlike Joens face that was all puffed up and swollen

Jones hit arms and air most of the night and you could see Brook riding almost all of the shots that did hit him, he very rarely took full blooded shots

Brook did more than struggle in his first fight with Jones, he was getting beat up. Brook blamed the performance on stamina and weight making issues which he'd now addressed. Last night he didn't bother trying to make the weight and he also showed stamina problems! Would have been an interesting end to the fight if his uncle hadn't stepped in. And this all against a guy who was gifted a draw vs Dean Byrne last year.

Brook may get to pick up a vacant alphabet title against a B class fighter, but he's no world beater.

I must have watched a different fight, Kell certainly struggled in the first Jones fight, but in this one he battered him.

He got hit a bit, but hit Jones a lot more and hurt him nearly every single time. Jones is no mug either, he had only stopped twice and that was a long long time ago. He was clearly more motivated than when he fought the replacement opponent last time.

Good performance from Kell, he isn't going to beat the elite welterweights like Marquez, Pacquiao and Mayweather (Not many will), but I would give him a good chance against the rest.

I get the feeling Brook might get badly beaten up against a top level fighter with a solid chin and good engine. Someone like Guerrero, Bradley or Maidana I think might really work him over in the later rounds of a fight. There's a lot to like about Brook though and he won't be a walk over for anyone at the weight and I really hope he steps it up before the end of the year.

The thing is Brook has a good enough arsenal to worry all of the mentioned fighters

Take maidana, you'd think he'd wear Brook down but Maidana is there to be hit and is easy to hurt. Lopez and even Morales hurt him and had him onto the back foot and he's easy to catch with the jab so brook could actually stop him

Brook's a second tier fighter.

30-0 fighting stiffs and tin cans.

He gets destroyed by Guerrero, Ortiz, Alexander, Berto, Rios etc.

Brook is European standard. No more.

As for Salido losing 25% of his career fights. He debuted as a 15 year old.

My opinion of Brook hasn't changed. Plenty of style but little substance. When he gets into the ring with a skilled fighting man with the heart Carson showed he will be in a lot of trouble as the fight heads into deep water.

Warren protected Brook but Eddie won't.

Brook will have to travel to the States to fight a top welterweight. Eddie isn't going to break the bank to pay Berto or Maidana a million or two to cross the Atlantic. With no belt Brook does not have a lot to tempt the quality names to Britain. If the fights in England I expect to be disappointed when the "Big Name" is announced.

It's a weird one coz I was watching the fight & thinking how the hell hasn't Brook seemed to hurt this guy with all the shots he's landing

Came to the conclusion that maybe Carson Jones is one tough ma f***er, then I checked Boxrec for his record & saw he got stopped in 8 by Alfonso Gomez!! The same Gomez from that TV show with Stallone & Sugar Ray!

Perhaps not so tough then? Definitely wasn't in '08 getting stopped by Gomez who is less of a puncher than Paulie

Was thinking there's big things ahead for Brook, now I don't think he'd live with any of the top WW's let alone LMW's lucky for him he's not moving up after all

Ingle fighters were known to be awkward & hard to hit but he definitely took too many punches from Carson than he should have & the damage to Brook's face compared to Jones's despite taking half the shots he did was quite worrying for me.

They can't move him along any slower, but they're gonna have to be very careful who they put him in with

Love to see Brook vs Khan still tho!

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs wrote:

Mayweathers cellmate wrote:IMO people need to accept Brook just isn't that good. Two struggles against a barely top 20 fighter isn't the form of a world champ.

2 struggles? Really, 2?

The first Jones fight is the only fight of Brooks career to date that has been a struggle, everything else has been a walk in the park

Berto struggled with Zaveck and Collazo, Malignaggi struggled with Cano and Guerrero struggled with Aydin in parts and they were all world champs. Fighters struggle, it happens

He struggled in both carson jones fights. You also need to consider that jones has lost 25% of all his fights and is barely top 20. Should have been a very easy fight for brook.

Just because he did not walk into the ring and have a picnic he struggled?. He did not struggle, he may have struggled to stop Carson early after it looked like it would be an easy nights work, Carson stuck his heels in and landed a few shots on Kell, but non the less Kell still won the fight easy and stopped him.

Kell out boxed him for about 6 of the 8 rounds had him down in the second and then stopped him in the eighth, all after a long lay of recovering from an Injury.

I think Carson deserved alot of credit for being a really tough bugger and refusing to fold, But anyone that knows boxing would have to say that Kell out classed him and was hurting him all the way through the fight and in the end got a deserved stoppage.

I just think people who don't like him hoped that the first Carson Jones fight showed he was not good enough, now despite a long lay off he came back and KOed him showing he was clearly a level above him, it has put a few noses out of joint

its also worth noting that Carson Jones has only ever been stopped twice when 19 years old in his 48 fights, the last time being about 7 years ago... so is clearly a guy who can take a punch, which showed last night.

DynamiteChris wrote:It's a weird one coz I was watching the fight & thinking how the hell hasn't Brook seemed to hurt this guy with all the shots he's landing

Came to the conclusion that maybe Carson Jones is one tough ma f***er, then I checked Boxrec for his record & saw he got stopped in 8 by Alfonso Gomez!! The same Gomez from that TV show with Stallone & Sugar Ray!

Perhaps not so tough then? Definitely wasn't in '08 getting stopped by Gomez who is less of a puncher than Paulie

Was thinking there's big things ahead for Brook, now I don't think he'd live with any of the top WW's let alone LMW's lucky for him he's not moving up after all

Ingle fighters were known to be awkward & hard to hit but he definitely took too many punches from Carson than he should have & the damage to Brook's face compared to Jones's despite taking half the shots he did was quite worrying for me.

They can't move him along any slower, but they're gonna have to be very careful who they put him in with

Love to see Brook vs Khan still tho!

Gomez is a LMW.

DynamiteChris wrote:
Came to the conclusion that maybe Carson Jones is one tough ma f***er, then I checked Boxrec for his record & saw he got stopped in 8 by Alfonso Gomez!! The same Gomez from that TV show with Stallone & Sugar Ray!

Perhaps not so tough then? Definitely wasn't in '08 getting stopped by Gomez who is less of a puncher than Paulie

08?
Check you facts

It was back in 06 when Carson was 19 years old, and he has not been stopped since. And while Gomez is not a KO puncher a 38.71% KO ratio is not exactly a feather fist... And Malignaggi's is 18.92% so I am not sure how you concluded that he is less of a puncher than Paulie.

I thought British fight fans get behind their own...... lately its been knock them for every possible problem...

BoxingFan88 wrote:I thought British fight fans get behind their own...... lately its been knock them for every possible problem...

This is something I have noticed. The lack of support on here to see British fighters do well is very surprising.

Professional boxing isn't about nationalities. The fighters fight for themselves. Some pay lip service to national pride to try and get some extra support. Fury claiming he's Irish being a prime example of the cynicism that exists in boxing.

its a flaw in the UK in more recent generations and the media dont help, when a young fighter is doing well, you see allot more jealousy than support..

That being said, while I do back English fighters (Also Italian in my case) its about boxing at the end of the day.

On the other hand if more were critical of Brook perhaps he'd be somewhere by now.

You mean if we were more critical he would not have had a injury that forced him to pull out of his last world championship fight?

The criticism Kell gets goes back years. The general line being "let me know when he fights a half live opponent". He said himself he lost interest in boxing. I personally think his moment has passed as he wasn't dedicated enough but he still has the opportunity to prove myself and the other doubters wrong. Lets see.

When will kell brook step it up? He is 30-0 and in his mid 20's. He really needs to start stepping it up other wise he will never get anywhere in boxing circles apart from having a good record.

He was signed for a world title fight recently and it fell through twice through injury so thats just bad luck. Alexander v Brook was a good match on paper. A comeback fight against Jones after an injury lay off is ok.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:When will kell brook step it up? He is 30-0 and in his mid 20's. He really needs to start stepping it up other wise he will never get anywhere in boxing circles apart from having a good record.

To be fair who had Canelo fought when was 30-0 no-one and he is doing alright for himself now, I know he is younger in age but I'm comparing ring competition level.

sparxz wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:When will kell brook step it up? He is 30-0 and in his mid 20's. He really needs to start stepping it up other wise he will never get anywhere in boxing circles apart from having a good record.

To be fair who had Canelo fought when was 30-0 no-one and he is doing alright for himself now, I know he is younger in age but I'm comparing ring competition level.

Brook is 30-0 and is 27 years old.

Canelo was 29-0-1 and was 17 years old at the time.

The big difference is the age.