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Luke Campbell v Andy Harris

12 Rounds Welterweight: Kell Brook v Carson Jones

Vacant Commonwealth Lightweight Title: Derry Mathews v Tommy Coyle

WBC International featherweight title: Lee Selby v Viorel Simion

Six rounds middleweight: Anthony Ogogo v Gary Boulden



There seems to be a bit of hype surrounding Luke Campbell, a lot created by Eddie,  so will be interesting to see how he does.

Carson Jones is apparently going to try and physically kill Brook.  Brook needs to do better this time.

Derry really doesn't help himself on social media so I won't mind him getting a good test.

Looks like a decent match up for Selby and real progress to be made for the winner towards a crack at the WBC belt.

Ogogo looked like he wouldn't have the power to punch his way out of a wet paper bag in his last outing.  Now he's a pro he needs to work on his heavy hitting, he threw and landed heaps of power shots to no effect last time.  Flash boxer but does he bite.

Kell brook is just simply over hyped and quite clearly is not as good as people ever thought.

Kell really needs to take a look at his fitness. Looks a million dollars for 3 rounds then seems to struggle. Can't see him ever being a world champ, think he will fight for a title but will come up short.

Kell is decent, he'd destroy Alexander, who isn't on his level - he'd take Broner, but thats it. He'd get eaten by Pacquiao and Mayweather.

Unless Kell finds something special, I can almost see Jones stopping him. The guy really is durable and seems to be the epitome of a fighter who 'comes on strong' in the later rounds.

Or that could happen...

Bad stoppage IMO.

ref looked so biased, gave a crazy knock down and then stopped it as soon as he could.

Perhaps a tad early, but Brook really was teeing off on him with right hands and he doesn't need to take too many

Jones wasn't firing back and it wants the first time in the fight that he was hurt

Brook looked sharp and while he took a couple still, he was landing powerful shots throughout unlike the first fight were he threw lots of pitta-patter shots

His head was being snapped back so I can see why he jumped in but I do think Jones could continue. Not fussed either way.

Agree. He appeared to be looking for reasons to find in Kell's favour.

Disgraceful stoppage. Brook would have won mind. Ah well next stop...someone else in Sheffield Town Hall hey. Nice one Kell

Same old Brook.

Possibly the most overrated fighter in the country.
Sky commentators creaming themselves about his power...

What power?

Really don't see what's so 'special'...
Nothing.

Meh.

Awful stoppage. Typical really. Sky commentary team is garbage. Utter garbage. Jabmachine, are you peed?? You think this guy could take alexander?! Haha! No chance. Based on this he gets pounded by the 147lbs top 5 easily.

Brook looks just short of the best welters. He has a lot of style but how does he do against a better fighter who has skill and has the fighting heart of a Carson.



British stoppage.

A big fight to be announced next week? Mathew Hatton rematch?

Tacit admittance of the weight problem being due to his lack of discipline in that interview.

Actually can't believe what he just said....

They made this fight above 147 because he couldn't be bothered to get down there as it wasn't a championship fight...

That's pathetic for a fighter who is supposedly world level.

You are a welterweight, you fight at the welterweight limit.

It's acceptable before you're at championship level but to me that smacks of laziness... Again.

Hearn said that there is a big announcement that's going to be announced next week, will be interesting to see who it is

Khan, Alexander or someone like Malignaggi or maidana

Alexander or Malinaggi I'd wager.

I've seen enough of Alexander to think that he's more over rated than Kell, you have to think of course, that most welters would have gone down after some of those punches - Broner would have crumpled, Maglinaggi gave him a hard time and he doesn't punch hard. Think that Kell will be a world champion, boxed well then, Jones is one of those who'll take you to the trenches - they exist in every weight and Jones is one at Welterweight. Never going to set the world alight but will keep on coming. Kell showed that he can dig deep and that in my eyes was different from the first fight. Stoppage was a tad premature, but the referee had to look at the shots Jones was taking and it was a lot and they were hard.

Kell isn't elite, but more than enough to be a World Champion. Not sure he'd take Bradley, Bradleys defense is solid and Kell struggles on the inside but besides Pacquiao, Marquez and Mayweather, I can't think of a Welter that'd take him. If Matthyse steps up he'd do well against him but it looks like he'll stay at light welter.

Brook looks to much like Naseem Hamed for my liking.

Jones can certainly take punch. Thought it could have gone on a bit longer.

Maidana, Khan, Bradley all beat Brook. Brook doesn't have the appetite or the heart for it. Maidana drags Brook into the trenches and beats him up when Kell starts puffing after 4 rounds.

Mallinaggi is a tough fight for Brook.

Ortiz would take him, Malignaggi would outbox him, Khan would do him if he steps up, Berto wrecks him, Alexander stops him, Mayweather/Pacquiao batter him. If he wins a world title id be honestly surprised. Shocked even. If you think he beats Broner Jabmachine then your either Drunk or high. If not then your Kell himself.

As soon as the fight started being a 50:50 the ref looked for every possible reason to give kell brook an advantage. The knockdown never looked like a knock down but the ref gave it and the first opportunity to stop the fight the ref did. Ref was so biased.

People talk about boxing in foreign countries being biased but it is just as biased here in the UK.

westisbest wrote:Brook looks to much like Naseem Hamed for my liking.

Jones can certainly take punch. Thought it could have gone on a bit longer.

Its the accent that reminds me of Naz. The lisp doesn't help.

Campbell has a face you'd like to punch.

Berto wouldn't touch Kell - not good enough at countering. Khan is a tippy tappy puncher, if you think that Khan would take the punches Jones did then you're drunk. Khan wouldn't stand up to the uppercuts and you know it. Maidana....well Maidana would prove a test and if he hit Kell as often as Jones did it'd be a hard night for him, but I see Kell outworking him quick enough for him to lose faith in his power and go hell for leather in the mid rounds, gas and get stopped.

How can you say Alexander stops him? Alexander is TERRIBLE for a champion. One of the worst in any weight. Ortiz.....not sure he's quick enough, wouldn;t have the heart to take Kell to town, he'd start a war and be unable to finish it.

Only Pacquiao, Marquez and Mayweather would beat Kell in my eyes. We'll see anyway, I'm not drunk or high.

EDIT: Luke Campbell looked decent.

How many times are Sky going to say about Andy Harris "this is a real little tough nut".

Garbage!

Not a bad performance, Carson is one tough mother, was hurt all the way through that fight but clearly was refusing to have it stopped.

I think a few people wanted the same fight as last time and are little bummed that he stopped him and out boxed him for %80 of the fight putting in a much better performance than last time.

Kell was out for some time with an injury and was not fighting at his best weight so deserves a little more slack I think, there would have been a little pressure with this one as well because of how his fitness was exposed a little in the last fight.

How people can criticize the stoppage I don't know, he was taking flush shots to the head all night and was not throwing back while Kell was landing clean when it was stopped.. if Carson was not stopped he could have risked getting hurt.

Just because a fighter wants to carry on it does not mean he should.

I think Kell will be a world champ...

tunes666 wrote:Not a bad performance, Carson is one tough mother, was hurt all the way through that fight but clearly was refusing to have it stopped.

I think a few people wanted the same fight as last time and are little bummed that he stopped him and out boxed him for %80 of the fight putting in a much better performance than last time.

Kell was out for some time with an injury and was not fighting at his best weight so deserves a little more slack I think, there would have been a little pressure with this one as well because of how his fitness was exposed a little in the last fight.

How people can criticize the stoppage I don't know, he was taking flush shots to the head all night and was not throwing back while Kell was landing clean when it was stopped.. if Carson was not stopped he could have risked getting hurt.

Just because a fighter wants to carry on it does not mean he should.

I think Kell will be a world champ...

The stoppage is being criticized on every boxing site. Carson was still hitting Brook in every round. First knock down was no knock down then the ref jumps in. I'm not surprised Carson wasn't happy, he never lost his senses. Brook was getting more tired.

Hearn making excuses for Brook in his interview afterwards told the story.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:As soon as the fight started being a 50:50 the ref looked for every possible reason to give kell brook an advantage. The knockdown never looked like a knock down but the ref gave it and the first opportunity to stop the fight the ref did. Ref was so biased.

People talk about boxing in foreign countries being biased but it is just as biased here in the UK.

lol, 50/50?... Carson arguably managed to scrap 1 or 2 rounds while Kell took a breather, then continued to take Jabs and right hooks all night long. When the reff gave him a standing count it actually did Carson a favor because it gave him more time to recover....

Strongback wrote:

tunes666 wrote:Not a bad performance, Carson is one tough mother, was hurt all the way through that fight but clearly was refusing to have it stopped.

I think a few people wanted the same fight as last time and are little bummed that he stopped him and out boxed him for %80 of the fight putting in a much better performance than last time.

Kell was out for some time with an injury and was not fighting at his best weight so deserves a little more slack I think, there would have been a little pressure with this one as well because of how his fitness was exposed a little in the last fight.

How people can criticize the stoppage I don't know, he was taking flush shots to the head all night and was not throwing back while Kell was landing clean when it was stopped.. if Carson was not stopped he could have risked getting hurt.

Just because a fighter wants to carry on it does not mean he should.

I think Kell will be a world champ...

The stoppage is being criticized on every boxing site.  Carson was still hitting Brook in every round.  First knock down was no knock down then the ref jumps in.  I'm not surprised Carson wasn't happy, he never lost his senses.  Brook was getting more tired.

Hearn making excuses for Brook in his interview afterwards told the story.

First knock down not a knock down?, if you know the rules of boxing you would know that when a fighter puts his knee or hand on the floor, its a knock down... And Carson done whats called "taking a knee" ... hence it was %100 a knock down.
Every pundit on Sky did not think the stoppage was early, and a few people on THIS forum do not.... I think you mean the forums are full of haters who for a round and a half thought Carson would do the same to Kell as the lat fight, which of course did not happen.

I agree with Jab, look past Mayweather, Pacquaio, JMM and maybe Bradley then you have a host of champions/good fighters that keep matching them up you'll get lots of 50:50 fights

Guerrero is probably at the top but all the others have shown weaknesses. Broner gets hit a lot and outworked and is definately not the next maywetaher, Ortiz has lost a handful of times and lost last time to a B class fighted in Lopez, maidana can beat anyone in a tear up but can be hurt easily and can be made to look crude, khan's resilience looks as bad as anything and isn't a puncher, Paulie cant punch, Berto is a banger with lots of power and speed but a horrible gas tank and is flat footed and Brook hasn't fought a world level fighter and has a poor tank

Put him in with any of the above fighters I'd give him a chance and would favour against a couple of them like Khan, Berto, Paulie and Ortiz while he is a very live underdog against the others

Kevin Mitchel Tweets..

"Well done Jones. Still giving it a go. But for how long. Those head shots are sickeners"

"Ref saves Jones from himself. How much of that did his corner want to see? Good win by @SpecialKBrook All the shots, good patience"

tunes666 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:As soon as the fight started being a 50:50 the ref looked for every possible reason to give kell brook an advantage. The knockdown never looked like a knock down but the ref gave it and the first opportunity to stop the fight the ref did. Ref was so biased.

People talk about boxing in foreign countries being biased but it is just as biased here in the UK.

lol, 50/50?... Carson arguably managed to scrap 1 or 2 rounds while Kell took a breather, then continued to take Jabs and right hooks all night long. When the reff stopped the fight it actually did Carson a favor because it gave him more time to recover....

From round 4 onwards it became a 50:50 fight in the sense that both fighters were throwing and landing big punches, look at kell brooks nose he suffered.

This was by no means an easy fight for brook, he was drgged into a rough fight and the ref stopped it way to early for the resons i stated above.

tunes666 wrote:

Strongback wrote:

tunes666 wrote:Not a bad performance, Carson is one tough mother, was hurt all the way through that fight but clearly was refusing to have it stopped.

I think a few people wanted the same fight as last time and are little bummed that he stopped him and out boxed him for %80 of the fight putting in a much better performance than last time.

Kell was out for some time with an injury and was not fighting at his best weight so deserves a little more slack I think, there would have been a little pressure with this one as well because of how his fitness was exposed a little in the last fight.

How people can criticize the stoppage I don't know, he was taking flush shots to the head all night and was not throwing back while Kell was landing clean when it was stopped.. if Carson was not stopped he could have risked getting hurt.

Just because a fighter wants to carry on it does not mean he should.

I think Kell will be a world champ...

The stoppage is being criticized on every boxing site.  Carson was still hitting Brook in every round.  First knock down was no knock down then the ref jumps in.  I'm not surprised Carson wasn't happy, he never lost his senses.  Brook was getting more tired.

Hearn making excuses for Brook in his interview afterwards told the story.

First knock down not a knock down?, if you know the rules of boxing you would know that when a fighter puts his knee or hand on the floor, its a knock down... And Carson done whats called "taking a knee" ... hence it was %100 a knock down.
Yet every pundit on Sky did not think the stoppage was early, and a few people on THIS forum do not.... I think you mean the forums are full of haters who for a round and a half thought Carson would do the same to Kell as the lat fight, which of course did not happen.

I honestly didn't see any part of Carson touch the canvas except his feet. Carson had taken punishment in the 7th and came back to land a lot of punches on Brook. The stoppage was very questionable and is typical in the British ring when home fighters are concerned. It is now worse than Germany.


The Sky team were again a farce and are just toeing the party line for an easy pay day, worthless contributions.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

tunes666 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:As soon as the fight started being a 50:50 the ref looked for every possible reason to give kell brook an advantage. The knockdown never looked like a knock down but the ref gave it and the first opportunity to stop the fight the ref did. Ref was so biased.

People talk about boxing in foreign countries being biased but it is just as biased here in the UK.

lol, 50/50?... Carson arguably managed to scrap 1 or 2 rounds while Kell took a breather, then continued to take Jabs and right hooks all night long. When the reff stopped the fight it actually did Carson a favor because it gave him more time to recover....

From round 4 onwards it became a 50:50 fight in the sense that both fighters were throwing and landing big punches, look at kell brooks nose he suffered.

This was by no means an easy fight for brook, he was drgged into a rough fight and the ref stopped it way to early for the resons i stated above.

i would not call it an easy fight as Carson showed he has a huge heart and was very tough, But Kell out boxed him for all but 2 rounds and stopped him fair and square, just because you don't like a boxer, does not change the facts... He has also been out for ages and suffered an injury which would take a round or two out of most boxers...

4th rounds was maybe carsons, 5th was scrappy, that was it, 6 kell, 7 he blasted him, and 8th game over.

and Kell took the first three easy

I doubt Alexander would come to Sheffield to fight Brook.
Malignaggi is more likely and Brook should win that. Wouldn't fancy his chances against Maidana. I see Maidana as a better version of Jones with more power and would walk Brook down, probably stopping him.

Brook should have had Jones out of there in the 3rd and just made it hard for himself by not stepping on the gas in that round. Maidana wouldn't have let him off the hook.

Strongback wrote:

I honestly didn't see any part of Carson touch the canvas except his feet.  Carson had taken punishment in the 7th and came back to land a lot of punches on Brook.  The stoppage was very questionable and is typical in the British ring when home fighters are concerned.  It is now worse than Germany.

He took a knee, Kell landed on him flesh and Carson was off balance and knowing he was about to take another shot he put his knee on the canvas. Second one was not as clear, although the standing count helped him as he was getting battered.

WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs wrote:I agree with Jab, look past Mayweather, Pacquaio, JMM and maybe Bradley then you have a host of champions/good fighters that keep matching them up you'll get lots of 50:50 fights

Guerrero is probably at the top but all the others have shown weaknesses. Broner gets hit a lot and outworked and is definately not the next maywetaher, Ortiz has lost a handful of times and lost last time to a B class fighted in Lopez, maidana can beat anyone in a tear up but can be hurt easily and can be made to look crude, khan's resilience looks as bad as anything and isn't a puncher, Paulie cant punch, Berto is a banger with lots of power and speed but a horrible gas tank and is flat footed and Brook hasn't fought a world level fighter and has a poor tank

Put him in with any of the above fighters I'd give him a chance and would favour against a couple of them like Khan, Berto, Paulie and Ortiz while he is a very live underdog against the others

Pretty much how I see it. Question marks over his stamina remain... Is he lazy or does he just not have it. There are questions over how he handles a slick boxer because he's never fought a decent one. Well, or just a decent fighter full stop. But he clearly has ability and the division is littered with decent but beatable fighters as WHU has listed

tunes666 wrote:

Strongback wrote:

I honestly didn't see any part of Carson touch the canvas except his feet.  Carson had taken punishment in the 7th and came back to land a lot of punches on Brook.  The stoppage was very questionable and is typical in the British ring when home fighters are concerned.  It is now worse than Germany.

He took a knee, Kell landed on him flesh and Carson was off balance and knowing he was about to take another shot he put his knee on the canvas.  Second one was not as clear, although the standing count helped him as he was getting battered.

I think he is talking about the 2nd knock down rather than the st where he took a knee in the 2nd round.

tunes666 wrote:

Strongback wrote:

I honestly didn't see any part of Carson touch the canvas except his feet.  Carson had taken punishment in the 7th and came back to land a lot of punches on Brook.  The stoppage was very questionable and is typical in the British ring when home fighters are concerned.  It is now worse than Germany.

He took a knee, Kell landed on him flesh and Carson was off balance and knowing he was about to take another shot he put his knee on the canvas.  Second one was not as clear, although the standing count helped him as he was getting battered.

Are you taking about the knee Carson took early on in the fight? obviously that did not come into play in the stoppage.

You mentioned Kell easily won the 7th. I thought Carson had a good round. I felt Brook was going to have to dig deep over the last few rounds as Carson was still coming forward and landing punches as evidenced by Brooks nose.

tunes666 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

tunes666 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:As soon as the fight started being a 50:50 the ref looked for every possible reason to give kell brook an advantage. The knockdown never looked like a knock down but the ref gave it and the first opportunity to stop the fight the ref did. Ref was so biased.

People talk about boxing in foreign countries being biased but it is just as biased here in the UK.

lol, 50/50?... Carson arguably managed to scrap 1 or 2 rounds while Kell took a breather, then continued to take Jabs and right hooks all night long. When the reff stopped the fight it actually did Carson a favor because it gave him more time to recover....

From round 4 onwards it became a 50:50 fight in the sense that both fighters were throwing and landing big punches, look at kell brooks nose he suffered.

This was by no means an easy fight for brook, he was drgged into a rough fight and the ref stopped it way to early for the resons i stated above.

i would not call it an easy fight as Carson showed he has a huge heart and was very tough, But Kell out boxed him for all but 2 rounds and stopped him fair and square, just because you don't like a boxer, does not change the facts... He has also been out for ages and suffered an injury which would take a round or two out of most boxers...

4th rounds was maybe carsons, 5th was scrappy, that was it, 6 kell, 7 he blasted him, and 8th game over.

and Kell took the first three easy

Don't make assumptions I have never aired my views on kell brook so there is no way you can say that I don't like him.

The performance by brook was shocking, he was facing a guy who had lost 25% of all his fights. Jones landed a lot of clean shots and brook suffered a lot of damage.

Based on that performance brook stands very little chance winning a belt.

Rumours are its:

Brook V Senchenko

or

Brook v Mosley

I wonder will the next fight be a 10 rounder at 152lbs. Can't see a decent 147lb operator in the States agreeing to those terms just to accommodate Kell's laziness and lack of stamina.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

tunes666 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

tunes666 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:As soon as the fight started being a 50:50 the ref looked for every possible reason to give kell brook an advantage. The knockdown never looked like a knock down but the ref gave it and the first opportunity to stop the fight the ref did. Ref was so biased.

People talk about boxing in foreign countries being biased but it is just as biased here in the UK.

lol, 50/50?... Carson arguably managed to scrap 1 or 2 rounds while Kell took a breather, then continued to take Jabs and right hooks all night long. When the reff stopped the fight it actually did Carson a favor because it gave him more time to recover....

From round 4 onwards it became a 50:50 fight in the sense that both fighters were throwing and landing big punches, look at kell brooks nose he suffered.

This was by no means an easy fight for brook, he was drgged into a rough fight and the ref stopped it way to early for the resons i stated above.

i would not call it an easy fight as Carson showed he has a huge heart and was very tough, But Kell out boxed him for all but 2 rounds and stopped him fair and square, just because you don't like a boxer, does not change the facts... He has also been out for ages and suffered an injury which would take a round or two out of most boxers...

4th rounds was maybe carsons, 5th was scrappy, that was it, 6 kell, 7 he blasted him, and 8th game over.

and Kell took the first three easy

Don't make assumptions I have never aired my views on kell brook so there is no way you can say that I don't like him.

The performance by brook was shocking, he was facing a guy who had lost 25% of all his fights. Jones landed a lot of clean shots and brook suffered a lot of damage.

Based on that performance brook stands very little chance winning a belt.

I disagree, I thought he outboxed and stopped him not because of the reff but because of how many times and how hard he was hitting him. As for him winning a belt Time will tell, providing he does not come up against one of the elites I think he has a good chance.

Strongback wrote:

tunes666 wrote:

Strongback wrote:

I honestly didn't see any part of Carson touch the canvas except his feet.  Carson had taken punishment in the 7th and came back to land a lot of punches on Brook.  The stoppage was very questionable and is typical in the British ring when home fighters are concerned.  It is now worse than Germany.

He took a knee, Kell landed on him flesh and Carson was off balance and knowing he was about to take another shot he put his knee on the canvas.  Second one was not as clear, although the standing count helped him as he was getting battered.

Are you taking about the knee Carson took early on in the fight? obviously that did not come into play in the stoppage.

You mentioned Kell easily won the 7th.  I thought Carson had a good round.  I felt Brook was going to have to dig deep over the last few rounds as Carson was still coming forward and landing punches as evidenced by Brooks nose.

I was referring to who ever said The "first knock down" ... the second was not clear by the TV footage, but he was currently getting pounded so the standing count helped him if anything. No way did Carson have a good 7th, unless you like your boxers blocking hard punches with their face.

The 2nd knockdown not clear, but it does look like his knee dips and therefore looks like it could have grounded, take a look, the glove defiantly didn't touch but I think he may have counted for a knee.

It wasn't a great stoppage, the sky team supported it because it was for Brook, had it been the other way round they would have been screaming foul play and calling for a rematch.

Jones was taking a pasting, there's only so many shots he needs to take before they stop it

He was taking clean hard shots to the head and it wasn't the first time he had been hurt in the fight. It wasn't like he was walking through Brook like he did in the second half of the first fight, he had been hurt multiple times and pushed into the back foot a lot of times already. He was on his bike against the ropes with Brook teeing off on him . Brook wasn't close to gassing and was winning almost every round, he would have just continued to land hard shots for the rest of the fight which could have had lasting effects

Soft stoppage but understandable, can't have too many qualms about it

IMO people need to accept Brook just isn't that good. Two struggles against a barely top 20 fighter isn't the form of a world champ.