League Reboot

by sodhat Tue 16 Jul 2013, 9:25 am

First topic message reminder :

Please register your interest should we press ahead and reboot the league.

This is also a good chance to air grievances with current rules and suggest new ones, as well as any innovations you have to make it better.

We may entirely ignore all suggestions, such is our wont.

Cherries
Gregers
Olly
Azzy
ZZZ
Nando (probably)
Afro
Hero
GSC
Trebs
sodhat

Need another 1 (or 3 or 5 or 7....)

Team Selection

Every team valued at 100m or below is available

Everybody bids for their preferred team

Maximum bid is 120m, Minimum 70m. Bids must also be at least TM value of the club

Any money left over from the 120m budget goes into your budget for a player draft

Results
Same as before

Voting
Same as before, however 1 good/bad point for each team required

TP Limit
Draft = no TP limit
Start of the league = £10m limit
Each week = £1m increase
End of season 1 = £19m TP limit (based on 10 teams, no cup weeks as we'd do that at the end)
End of season 2 = £28m

You could make it £12m > £21m > £30m if preferred?

This will change slightly depending on number of teams.

Injuries
AGREED AS 4 INJURIES PER WEEK

Do we want any form of transfers healing injuries?
NO

Whether to ditch U21 and nationality restrictions
AGREED TO DITCH BOTH

League structure - single league or not?
SINGLE LEAGUE

Cash loans (inc. implied in deals) being banned
NO CASH LOANS ALLOWED, ALL TRANSFERS MUST BE PAID UP FRONT

End of season loans when you have nothing to play for - how to stop these
NO LOANS ALLOWED EXCEPT EMERGENCY LOANS FOR GOALKEEPERS

Releases - same as before?
AGREED

Any squad limits?
22 MINIMUM, 30 MAXIMUM

Runner's Duties

Releases - Azzy
Injuries - Trebs
Posting tactics - Olly
Players within league - Afro
Results - sodhat
Lawyers - Trebs
Tables - sodhat
Fixtures/results list -Afro
Top scorers - Azzy
Premier League Prediction game - ZZZ

by GSC Tue 16 Jul 2013, 4:22 pm

I do think if you look at players between 20-15m, there are players that would easily be stars at the level of squads we're starting with. And plenty below 15m that would be clear upgrades

by GSC Tue 16 Jul 2013, 4:25 pm

It'll be easier to sort out TP increases once we know how long the leagues running tbf.

by **Afro** Tue 16 Jul 2013, 4:26 pm

No I'm in favour of "no TP limit with less cash around", but GSC's is a compromise option

by Guest Tue 16 Jul 2013, 4:30 pm

Have we ever done a league with no TP limit? Might be fun for a change?

The thing about before is that with a low TP limit and a fortnightly increase, competition for those few new players was fierce, especially with players being unavailable through Lawyers. If you remove the TP limit you give all managers free reign to do whatever they want, but there are repercussions to spending it all on one player. I think it would be interesting is all.

Not wanting to hammer it home or anything GSC, I'm just passionate about the prospect of it Smile

by **Hero** Tue 16 Jul 2013, 4:31 pm

I think an initial no TP limit but then imposing one once the league commences.

by sodhat Tue 16 Jul 2013, 4:32 pm

Are you in Hero?

Do I add you to my list?

Someone will have to succinctly explain these rules in a post for my benefit. It's more complex than open heart surgery.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Tue 16 Jul 2013, 4:33 pm

I would go with weekly increases if we did a limit, rather than fortnightly

by **Hero** Tue 16 Jul 2013, 4:33 pm

Azzy Mahmood wrote:Have we ever done a league with no TP limit? Might be fun for a change?

The thing about before is that with a low TP limit and a fortnightly increase, competition for those few new players was fierce, especially with players being unavailable through Lawyers. If you remove the TP limit you give all managers free reign to do whatever they want, but there are repercussions to spending it all on one player. I think it would be interesting is all.

Not wanting to hammer it home or anything GSC, I'm just passionate about the prospect of it

I think the issue with the no TP limit is it does become a rush to Messi. You'd get a few more 'suspect' deals going on, a scramble of lawyer sales every week where the person who gets the offers on their 15m players being able to upgrade quicker than those who get the £5m player offer.

by **Hero** Tue 16 Jul 2013, 4:34 pm

sodhat wrote:Are you in Hero?

Do I add you to my list?

Someone will have to succinctly explain these rules in a post for my benefit. It's more complex than open heart surgery.

I probably will be. Just got the WWA, other Euro league, podcast and Vipers debathon thing juggling up in the air as well so don't want to over extend myself, oh and wife and kids.

by GSC Tue 16 Jul 2013, 4:35 pm

Hero wrote:I think an initial no TP limit but then imposing one once the league commences.

I think this is a good compromise.

by GSC Tue 16 Jul 2013, 4:36 pm

sodhat wrote:Are you in Hero?

Do I add you to my list?

Someone will have to succinctly explain these rules in a post for my benefit. It's more complex than open heart surgery.

I started one in admin

by Guest Tue 16 Jul 2013, 4:37 pm

Hero wrote:I think an initial no TP limit but then imposing one once the league commences.

I like that. So you can sign Suarez, but after that, Muggins United.

So, hows about this then:

Draft = no TP limit
Start of the league = £10m limit
Each week = £1m increase
End of season 1 = £19m TP limit (based on 10 teams, no cup weeks as we'd do that at the end)
End of season 2 = £28m

You could make it £12m > £21m > £30m if preferred?

by Guest Tue 16 Jul 2013, 4:37 pm

GSC wrote:
sodhat wrote:Are you in Hero?

Do I add you to my list?

Someone will have to succinctly explain these rules in a post for my benefit. It's more complex than open heart surgery.

I started one in admin

What, open-heart surgery? Please tell me you picked CF to be your victim and not my beloved Viva Shocked

by GSC Tue 16 Jul 2013, 4:38 pm

Azzy Mahmood wrote:
Hero wrote:I think an initial no TP limit but then imposing one once the league commences.
I like that. So you can sign Suarez, but after that, Muggins United.

So, hows about this then:

Draft = no TP limit
Start of the league = £10m limit
Each week = £1m increase
End of season 1 = £19m TP limit (based on 10 teams, no cup weeks as we'd do that at the end)
End of season 2 = £28m

You could make it £12m > £21m > £30m if preferred?

I can go with this I guess

by **Afro** Tue 16 Jul 2013, 4:39 pm

Looks good for me

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Tue 16 Jul 2013, 4:40 pm

Yeah I like the look of that

by Fernando Tue 16 Jul 2013, 4:41 pm

Im happy to join with all this Very Happy

Can i suggest just not having a cup competition or make it mandatory to avoid Azzy like blow ups even though quite clearly his was being a douche Whistle

by GSC Tue 16 Jul 2013, 4:41 pm

Alright then injuries.

I still like my previous idea of 1 weekly random, then 1 first teamer getting a 4 week injury.

by sodhat Tue 16 Jul 2013, 4:43 pm

We talked this over in admin, and everyone is going to have to sign up to the rules.

We'll basically get an old piece of parchment, scribble the rules on with a pen made from a feather, and then send it to each of you to sign.

You have to sign in blood, and we've borrowed a syringe from Azzy for you to easily extract it.

by GSC Tue 16 Jul 2013, 4:44 pm

Sodhat will be tasting the blood, so any attempts to fake it will result in a fine Whistle

by **Afro** Tue 16 Jul 2013, 4:45 pm

So that's 12 teams then? Seems a good number to close applications on Ok!

Injuries - the 4 injuries, 1 x 1 week, 1 x 2 week etc looks fine to me

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Tue 16 Jul 2013, 4:45 pm

I quite like the injuries idea of 1 out for 1 week, another for 2 weeks, another for 3, another for 4. Drawn in a cycle of every 4 weeks, and if the player is sold, the magic sponge means they are no longer injured.

Quite fancy that

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Tue 16 Jul 2013, 4:46 pm

sodhat wrote:We talked this over in admin, and everyone is going to have to sign up to the rules.

We'll basically get an old piece of parchment, scribble the rules on with a pen made from a feather, and then send it to each of you to sign.

You have to sign in blood, and we've borrowed a syringe from Azzy for you to easily extract it.

I ain't sending you my blood babes. Some other fluid maybe kiss

by **Afro** Tue 16 Jul 2013, 4:46 pm

That won't show up on the parchment though

by Guest Tue 16 Jul 2013, 4:47 pm

How squads/teams are decided, and starting budgets = AGREED AS BIDDING ON TEAMS BETWEEN £70M AND £100M
How results are calculated = AGREED TO KEEP AS IT IS
Making sure feedback is actually useful and constructive = AGREED IN THIS THREAD
TP limit - yes or no = AGREED ON PAGE 5 OF THIS THREAD
Injuries
Whether to ditch U21 and nationality restrictions
League structure - single league or not?
Cash loans (inc. implied in deals) being banned
End of season loans when you have nothing to play for - how to stop these

I think the injuries proposal is good - every four weeks we draw four injuries each, 1x1 week, 1x2 weeks, 1x3 weeks and 1x4 weeks. Players get healed if they move clubs, but if they go back to their old club during that time, they pick up their injury again.

by GSC Tue 16 Jul 2013, 4:47 pm

4 players seems a bit excessive.

Also didnt the trading injuries get shot down pretty quickly last time?

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Tue 16 Jul 2013, 4:47 pm

BigFellasAfro wrote:That won't show up on the parchment though

What? Brown won't show up on the parchment? devil

by sodhat Tue 16 Jul 2013, 4:48 pm

Olly wrote:
sodhat wrote:We talked this over in admin, and everyone is going to have to sign up to the rules.

We'll basically get an old piece of parchment, scribble the rules on with a pen made from a feather, and then send it to each of you to sign.

You have to sign in blood, and we've borrowed a syringe from Azzy for you to easily extract it.

I ain't sending you my blood babes. Some other fluid maybe

I don't need any more of that, thank you.

by Guest Tue 16 Jul 2013, 4:48 pm

I notice Viva hasn't signed up yet? Nor has Sherlock or Fan.

by GSC Tue 16 Jul 2013, 4:48 pm

The parchment is brown

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Tue 16 Jul 2013, 4:49 pm

Is Fan actually still around? I know he has work problems

by **Afro** Tue 16 Jul 2013, 4:50 pm

GSC wrote:4 players seems a bit excessive.

Also didnt the trading injuries get shot down pretty quickly last time?

I think it is good it is big. Makes the squad more important and also takes away from the spending too much on one player and not building a squad. Imagine when Cherries keeps getting Neymar injured for 4 weeks. He's stuffed

by GSC Tue 16 Jul 2013, 4:50 pm

My only problem with injury trading, is I can inevitably see someone having a strop when someone doesnt trade back censored

Needs to be a bit more regulated than just being able to swap.

by **Afro** Tue 16 Jul 2013, 4:51 pm

GSC wrote:My only problem with injury trading, is I can inevitably see someone having a strop when someone doesnt trade back

Needs to be a bit more regulated than just being able to swap.

Perhaps it has to be cash only, and not just swapping injured players for 4 weeks

by sodhat Tue 16 Jul 2013, 4:51 pm

GSC wrote:4 players seems a bit excessive.

Also didnt the trading injuries get shot down pretty quickly last time?

Yes, but I still prefer it.

Maybe only the long term injuries - i.e. 3/4 weeks - get healed on transfer?

More focus on squad management.

by **Afro** Tue 16 Jul 2013, 4:51 pm

sodhat wrote:
GSC wrote:4 players seems a bit excessive.

Also didnt the trading injuries get shot down pretty quickly last time?

Yes, but I still prefer it.

Maybe only the long term injuries - i.e. 3/4 weeks - get healed on transfer?

More focus on squad management.

That's better than my suggestion

by GSC Tue 16 Jul 2013, 4:53 pm

Could we not have 1 weekly random/2 long term? Random can't be healed on transfer.

by sodhat Tue 16 Jul 2013, 4:54 pm

You're making work for runners to draw one weekly!

by GSC Tue 16 Jul 2013, 4:56 pm

It takes me like 30 seconds.

by sodhat Tue 16 Jul 2013, 4:57 pm

GSC wrote:It takes me like 30 seconds.

Can we talk about drawing injuries and stop going into your personal life, please?

by GSC Tue 16 Jul 2013, 4:57 pm

If you're doing lawyers all you do is click randomise 1 more time. I don't think effort is really a big deal Laugh

by Guest Tue 16 Jul 2013, 5:01 pm

Good progress made today guys, enjoy your evenings Hug

by Trebs Tue 16 Jul 2013, 6:52 pm

I think three or four injuries, trading means they still stand.
All injuries last a week and are taken from previous XI (makes it worth playing a weakened team if a big game is coming up)

also unrelated to injuries, i think there should be a nationality rule based on your team choice. If i choose Norwich, i have to play three English players. If i choose porto, three portugese etc.

by Guest Tue 16 Jul 2013, 7:21 pm

I don't like that idea at all Trebs, four injuries from a starting XI? I'd never be able to put out my best team. I really wouldn't like the hassle of working out new tactics every single week either, which is crucial to participation I feel.

And I think we're all against the nationality thing too, we've had enough of the limitations. There aren't enough affordable Englishmen to make being Norwich worthwhile.

by Trebs Tue 16 Jul 2013, 7:24 pm

Azzy Mahmood wrote:I don't like that idea at all Trebs, four injuries from a starting XI? I'd never be able to put out my best team. I really wouldn't like the hassle of working out new tactics every single week either, which is crucial to participation I feel.

And I think we're all against the nationality thing too, we've had enough of the limitations. There aren't enough affordable Englishmen to make being Norwich worthwhile.

So you think it's acceptable to rehash the same tactics every week? Surely the idea is to think about them.

by Fernando Tue 16 Jul 2013, 7:28 pm

4 is more then a quarter of your side

2-3 is fine

I don't see the point if bothering with the nationality anymore if we're buying teams.

by Guest Tue 16 Jul 2013, 7:37 pm

2-3 from the previous weeks team is still too many.

4 random injuries is MUCH better imo.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Tue 16 Jul 2013, 7:54 pm

I prefer the first injuries idea, sorry trebs but I don't really like your idea

And with the nationalities I'd just keep it all open, and unrestricted

by GSC Tue 16 Jul 2013, 8:02 pm

I think 4 is too harsh.

1 random weekly, 2 long term first teamers

by Gregers Tue 16 Jul 2013, 8:04 pm

Nationality chosen by manager at start of season 1

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