Who would you like Wilder to fight next?

Wilder's clobbering people left right & centre. However it's a shame that all of his opponents are well past-it, never-had-it-anyways or total nobodies. Who do you want him to face realistically? (He's not going to fight a Klitschko yet).

I think that potential alf-decent match-ups could be made against Tomas Adamek, Odlanier Solis, Alexander Dimitrenko and to a slightly lesser extent, Chisora. All can take a shot and have decent enough skills.

To use a phrase used by Samuel Peter; "Who next?!"

The brother of the girl he keeps beating up

solis would be a good shout. i don't think either camp would agree to it though.

all i want to see is him in with someone who is tall, who can punch and take a punch. even just someone who won't crumble under the first right that lands.

i think Helenius or Charr are good match ups. I'd love to see a Mitchell fight if he was to come through the Areola test.

looks like he will face the winner of chris arreola v seth mtchell fight.

Charr is a good shout Oasis, due to fight on the undercard of Haye/Fury so that makes it unlikely unless Wilder wants to get back out quickly.

Del Boy.

Something of a divisional gatekeeper, decent chin and stamina to last a few rounds (possibly 12), plus he'll apply a bit of pressure which Wilder has never had to worry about before.

Would second Charr also.

Chisora would be a decent enough opponent. Represents a step up and whilst I am by no means his biggest fan he does hold a good shot and so is not likely to fall over the first time Wilder clips him and that is what Wilder needs more than anything now. We need to see how his stamina holds into the later rounds and how he reacts when someone does take one of his shots and does not crumble. Also from Wilder’s perspective if Chisora does go when he connects would mean Wilder may just have something to justify the excitement he is generating in some circles.

hampo171 wrote:Charr is a good shout Oasis, due to fight on the undercard of Haye/Fury so that makes it unlikely unless Wilder wants to get back out quickly.

i think if he's knocking people out in seconds he should fight as regularly as possible UNLESS he steps up. in that case he'll need to prepare for each individual opponent more than usual - working on the game plan, studying tapes etc. apparently he is always in shape (in the gym 3 or 4 times a day, 2 hours a time is a bit of an exaggeration from his team though).

Standby for Dave......

(for mobile's benefit)

Chisora???? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Anyhoo, here's one for the hype train......Wilder vs Thompson

Thanks Dave, benefit received.

Moving on.....id go for Chisora who is durable and has stamina so may give him a test and show just how powerful he is or isn't.

Helenius is garbage BIG time.

Id also go with a fight against Arreola who can dig and take a lot of punches. Be interesting.

mobilemaster8 wrote:Thanks Dave, benefit received.

Moving on.....id go for Chisora who is durable and has stamina so may give him a test and show just how powerful he is or isn't.

Helenius is garbage BIG time.

Id also go with a fight against Arreola who can dig and take a lot of punches. Be interesting.

great thing about chisora is his head and body movement, he is a hard target to hit cleanly and thus at a bare minimum shuld last a lot of rounds against wilder (i tip chisora to win).

Haye seemed to find him ok..........

TopHat24/7 wrote:Haye seemed to find him ok..........

Really? Did he?

He only landed 25% of total punches.

There were at least five that were good enough to end the fight though.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Haye seemed to find him ok..........

Really? Did he?

He only landed 25% of total punches.

One of which relieved Chisora from his senses. If, indeed, he has any.

Ricky Hatton was winning the second round of the Pacquiao fight "by a country mile".

HAHA! I remember Hatton stating that! Complete and utter crap.

I also remember a British pundit saying Hatton was level with Mayweather or close on the cards?! Haha!

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Haye seemed to find him ok..........

Really? Did he?

He only landed 25% of total punches.

One of which relieved Chisora from his senses.  If, indeed, he has any.

Ricky Hatton was winning the second round of the Pacquiao fight "by a country mile".

So?

My point was that chisora has good head and body movement and avoids a lot of punches, I was not saying he avoids every punch or he has the toughest jaw in HW history.

Chisora has great body and head movement and thus avoids beig hit and when he is hit it is not as clean as it would have been without his movement.

mobilemaster8 wrote:
I also remember a British pundit saying Hatton was level with Mayweather or close on the cards?! Haha!

Can't have been Richie Woodhall. He had Ricky 8 in front at the time of the stoppage.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Haye seemed to find him ok..........

Really? Did he?

He only landed 25% of total punches.

One of which relieved Chisora from his senses.  If, indeed, he has any.

Ricky Hatton was winning the second round of the Pacquiao fight "by a country mile".

So?

My point was that chisora has good head and body movement and avoids a lot of punches, I was not saying he avoids every punch or he has the toughest jaw in HW history.

Chisora has great body and head movement and thus avoids beig hit and when he is hit it is not as clean as it would have been without his movement.

And the other point is, if David Haye can find him, then so, in theory, can Wilder.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Haye seemed to find him ok..........

Really? Did he?

He only landed 25% of total punches.

One of which relieved Chisora from his senses.  If, indeed, he has any.

Ricky Hatton was winning the second round of the Pacquiao fight "by a country mile".

So?

My point was that chisora has good head and body movement and avoids a lot of punches, I was not saying he avoids every punch or he has the toughest jaw in HW history.

Chisora has great body and head movement and thus avoids beig hit and when he is hit it is not as clean as it would have been without his movement.

If Haye had hit him any cleaner they'd still be looking for Chisora's head. Lord only knows what damage would have been caused if Del Boy's great head movement hadn't existed that night

I wouldn't agree that of Haye could find Chisora, then Wilder can.

Haye is by far the quickest in the division and also has proven technique and accuracy with his shots.

Wilder on the other hand, is just simply wild.....no pun intended.

He looked a little sharper the other night but look at the Audley fight?! Windmill springs to mind.

Haye caught chisora absolutely flush with a left cross on the inside with ferocious speed and Chisora didn't know what hit him.

Speed tends to kill in this games, and unless Wilder ups his game and shortens his shots, Chisora could make it a hard nights work for the young lad.

mobilemaster8 wrote:I wouldn't agree that of Haye could find Chisora, then Wilder can.

Haye is by far the quickest in the division and also has proven technique and accuracy with his shots.

Wilder on the other hand, is just simply wild.....no pun intended.

He looked a little sharper the other night but look at the Audley fight?! Windmill springs to mind.

Haye caught chisora absolutely flush with a left cross on the inside with ferocious speed and Chisora didn't know what hit him.

Speed tends to kill in this games, and unless Wilder ups his game and shortens his shots, Chisora could make it a hard nights work for the young lad.

That is why I put "in theory".

I just don't buy this theory that Chisora is all that slippery. Every time I have seen him, his opponent hasn't struggled to hit him.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Haye seemed to find him ok..........

Really? Did he?

He only landed 25% of total punches.

Landed 36% of power punches though which is a healthy number.

http://compuboxonline.com/compubox-stats-haye-ko-5-chisora/

Interesting quote for MM8 though:

Compubox wrote:Where was the Chisora pressure? Only 28 punches thrown per round. Haye, who avg’d just 24 punches thrown/6 landed vs. Vitali, doubled those numbers vs. Chisora. Haye closed the show by landing 17 of 28 power shots in round five.

17/28 power shots = target practice.

Very true but his chin has held up against big punchers in Vitali and in a sense Fury who has sparked a few out. Hate sparked him due to speed.

If wilder has as much pop as it seems, he should, in theory, stop chisora.

But we are yet to see wilder in with a come forward live fighters.

Haye sparked because he's the biggest puncher he's faced, neither Fury or Vitali are concussive punchers they tend to stop guys late or through accumulation.

Big Vit was a few years ago I feel, just think age has caught up with him a little and taken the snap and top-level power from his punches.

Or his knees maybe...

Power arguably comes up through the legs so yes, his knees also.

Still hard as Frak though ain't he!

Even before his prolonged lay off he was never a big puncher, he stopped the majority of his opponents late on and those he did stop early like Norris and Hide couldn't take a punch nor were they natural heavyweights.

Whether its through accumulation or one punch power, you have to be a huge puncher if you have a KO ratio of over 90%!!

That's the point you don't, a huge puncher can take someone out at any time with one punch or a combination, accumulation punching is quite different where you need to have reasonable power but not devastating power. Earnie Shavers only had a 76% knock out rate but he's widely seen as the sports biggest ever puncher so the numbers can be misleading.

The other thing to bear in mind with both brothers which will inevitably influence how quickly they get rid of someone is their styles are by nature very cautious. Whilst Wlad is obviously the more so, Vitali is also reasonably circumspect and so does not tend to tear into folk from the opening bell. Perhaps an inevitable byproduct of such a style is it will restrict the number of early ko’s you secure.

There is that but with Wlad he has the ability to knock someone out with one big right hand which i've not seen from his brother. The Lewis fight in which he landed plenty is indicative of that.

Vitali definately had more power in his punches a decade ago than he does now, but he's never possessed the kind of colossal force brother that his brother has.
TTOT is right - its accumulative, comparable to what Froch has at SMW.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Haye seemed to find him ok..........

Really? Did he?

He only landed 25% of total punches.

Landed 36% of power punches though which is a healthy number.

http://compuboxonline.com/compubox-stats-haye-ko-5-chisora/

Interesting quote for MM8 though:

Compubox wrote:Where was the Chisora pressure? Only 28 punches thrown per round.  Haye, who avg’d just 24 punches thrown/6 landed vs. Vitali, doubled those numbers vs. Chisora.  Haye closed the show by landing 17 of 28 power shots in round five.

17/28 power shots = target practice.

he landed 11% of jabs and only landed 25% of total punches. That shows that chisora has a good defence.


Vitali has had the most success against Chisora and he only landed 35% of shots and Vitali is a lot better than Haye.

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:

mobilemaster8 wrote:I wouldn't agree that of Haye could find Chisora, then Wilder can.

Haye is by far the quickest in the division and also has proven technique and accuracy with his shots.

Wilder on the other hand, is just simply wild.....no pun intended.

He looked a little sharper the other night but look at the Audley fight?! Windmill springs to mind.

Haye caught chisora absolutely flush with a left cross on the inside with ferocious speed and Chisora didn't know what hit him.

Speed tends to kill in this games, and unless Wilder ups his game and shortens his shots, Chisora could make it a hard nights work for the young lad.

That is why I put "in theory".  

I just don't buy this theory that Chisora is all that slippery.  Every time I have seen him, his opponent hasn't struggled to hit him.

I would call only haye only landing 25% of shots as struggling to hit him.

Chisora fought bravely to give him credit.

J.Benson II wrote:Vitali definately had more power in his punches a decade ago than he does now, but he's never possessed the kind of colossal force brother that his brother has.
TTOT is right - its accumulative, comparable to what Froch has at SMW.

Wladmir has a better jab too imo

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Haye seemed to find him ok..........

Really? Did he?

He only landed 25% of total punches.

Landed 36% of power punches though which is a healthy number.

http://compuboxonline.com/compubox-stats-haye-ko-5-chisora/

Interesting quote for MM8 though:

Compubox wrote:Where was the Chisora pressure? Only 28 punches thrown per round.  Haye, who avg’d just 24 punches thrown/6 landed vs. Vitali, doubled those numbers vs. Chisora.  Haye closed the show by landing 17 of 28 power shots in round five.

17/28 power shots = target practice.

he landed 11% of jabs and only landed 25% of total punches. That shows that chisora has a good defence.


Vitali has had the most success against Chisora and he only landed 35% of shots and Vitali is a lot better than Haye.

Floyd Mayweather only landed 26% against Cotto overall and only 14% of his jabs against Ortiz - you gonna try tell me PBF isn't accurate now??

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Haye seemed to find him ok..........

Really? Did he?

He only landed 25% of total punches.

Landed 36% of power punches though which is a healthy number.

http://compuboxonline.com/compubox-stats-haye-ko-5-chisora/

Interesting quote for MM8 though:

Compubox wrote:Where was the Chisora pressure? Only 28 punches thrown per round.  Haye, who avg’d just 24 punches thrown/6 landed vs. Vitali, doubled those numbers vs. Chisora.  Haye closed the show by landing 17 of 28 power shots in round five.

17/28 power shots = target practice.

he landed 11% of jabs and only landed 25% of total punches. That shows that chisora has a good defence.


Vitali has had the most success against Chisora and he only landed 35% of shots and Vitali is a lot better than Haye.

Floyd Mayweather only landed 26% against Cotto overall and only 14% of his jabs against Ortiz - you gonna try tell me PBF isn't accurate now??

I never said Haye was not accurate as a fighter. I am saying that against Chisora a 25% accuracy for total punches would show that chisora's defence/movement is rather good.

Haye doesn't use his jab in the traditional sense of a say Wlad, he uses it more to feel out his opponent and as a range finder rather than an attacking weapon. For Haye it's only the power punch stat that matters and connecting with 36% suggests that Chisora isn't the hardest to find alternatively I could rewatch the fight and see that my eyes weren't deceiving me.

The Terror of Tylorstown wrote:Haye doesn't use his jab in the traditional sense of a say Wlad, he uses it more to feel out his opponent and as a range finder rather than an attacking weapon. For Haye it's only the power punch stat that matters and connecting with 36% suggests that Chisora isn't the hardest to find alternatively I could rewatch the fight and see that my eyes weren't deceiving me.

care to back that up

Agree with Champagne Socialist- Chisora has decent movement and defence.

He's an outside fighter who ambushes with power punches, watch him fight it's quite obvious.

He tried a few power punches I remember against Wlad- none of them connected.

The Terror of Tylorstown wrote:Haye doesn't use his jab in the traditional sense

Quite right, against Wlad he used it to ensure he was always far enough away to ensure a fight never actually broke out.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Haye seemed to find him ok..........

Really? Did he?

He only landed 25% of total punches.

Landed 36% of power punches though which is a healthy number.

http://compuboxonline.com/compubox-stats-haye-ko-5-chisora/

Interesting quote for MM8 though:

Compubox wrote:Where was the Chisora pressure? Only 28 punches thrown per round.  Haye, who avg’d just 24 punches thrown/6 landed vs. Vitali, doubled those numbers vs. Chisora.  Haye closed the show by landing 17 of 28 power shots in round five.

17/28 power shots = target practice.

he landed 11% of jabs and only landed 25% of total punches. That shows that chisora has a good defence.


Vitali has had the most success against Chisora and he only landed 35% of shots and Vitali is a lot better than Haye.

Floyd Mayweather only landed 26% against Cotto overall and only 14% of his jabs against Ortiz - you gonna try tell me PBF isn't accurate now??

I never said Haye was not accurate as a fighter. I am saying that against Chisora a 25% accuracy for total punches would show that chisora's defence/movement is rather good.

Cotto and Ortiz famously elusive also then??

As TTOT has said, Haye doesn't jab, it's a largely irrelevant punch for him. He's a pot-shotting power-puncher and his power punches landed with 36% accuracy overall which suggests Haye had little problem finding the target with his punches. The fact his accuracy reached 60% in the final round, including the all important ko punch, tells you Chisora is not a fat Nicolino!