Who would you like Wilder to fight next?

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Wilder's clobbering people left right & centre. However it's a shame that all of his opponents are well past-it, never-had-it-anyways or total nobodies. Who do you want him to face realistically? (He's not going to fight a Klitschko yet).

I think that potential alf-decent match-ups could be made against Tomas Adamek, Odlanier Solis, Alexander Dimitrenko and to a slightly lesser extent, Chisora. All can take a shot and have decent enough skills.

To use a phrase used by Samuel Peter; "Who next?!"

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

The Terror of Tylorstown wrote:Haye doesn't use his jab in the traditional sense of a say Wlad, he uses it more to feel out his opponent and as a range finder rather than an attacking weapon. For Haye it's only the power punch stat that matters and connecting with 36% suggests that Chisora isn't the hardest to find alternatively I could rewatch the fight and see that my eyes weren't deceiving me.

care to back that up

Try Youtube you dildo

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Haye seemed to find him ok..........

Really? Did he?

He only landed 25% of total punches.

Landed 36% of power punches though which is a healthy number.

http://compuboxonline.com/compubox-stats-haye-ko-5-chisora/

Interesting quote for MM8 though:

Compubox wrote:Where was the Chisora pressure? Only 28 punches thrown per round.  Haye, who avg’d just 24 punches thrown/6 landed vs. Vitali, doubled those numbers vs. Chisora.  Haye closed the show by landing 17 of 28 power shots in round five.

17/28 power shots = target practice.

he landed 11% of jabs and only landed 25% of total punches. That shows that chisora has a good defence.


Vitali has had the most success against Chisora and he only landed 35% of shots and Vitali is a lot better than Haye.

Floyd Mayweather only landed 26% against Cotto overall and only 14% of his jabs against Ortiz - you gonna try tell me PBF isn't accurate now??

I never said Haye was not accurate as a fighter. I am saying that against Chisora a 25% accuracy for total punches would show that chisora's defence/movement is rather good.

Cotto and Ortiz famously elusive also then??

As TTOT has said, Haye doesn't jab, it's a largely irrelevant punch for him.  He's a pot-shotting power-puncher and his power punches landed with 36% accuracy overall which suggests Haye had little problem finding the target with his punches.  The fact his accuracy reached 60% in the final round, including the all important ko punch, tells you Chisora is not a fat Nicolino!

It would suggest that cotto and ortiz were elusive against mayweather.

Haye threw 110 jabs and only landed 12. No matter how you try and twist the facts to suit your argument he missed 98 jabs and only landed 12.

Chisora has very good movement and defence.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

The Terror of Tylorstown wrote:Haye doesn't use his jab in the traditional sense of a say Wlad, he uses it more to feel out his opponent and as a range finder rather than an attacking weapon. For Haye it's only the power punch stat that matters and connecting with 36% suggests that Chisora isn't the hardest to find alternatively I could rewatch the fight and see that my eyes weren't deceiving me.

care to back that up

Try Youtube you dildo

you getting angry and resorting to insults because of an internet debate with a stranger about 2 fighters? rather pathetic.

You don't quite understand how tactics work do you, as strange as it sounds Haye doesn't throw his jab with the primary aim of landing it because it's a range finder, I know that's a difficult concept for you to grasp but rather that sitting on boxrec nonstop try watching a damn fight you may learn something.

The Terror of Tylorstown wrote:You don't quite understand how tactics work do you, as strange as it sounds Haye doesn't throw his jab with the primary aim of landing it because it's a range finder, I know that's a difficult concept for you to grasp but rather that sitting on boxrec nonstop try watching a damn fight you may learn something.

Yes, but it doesn't necessarily mean Chisora doesn't have a good defence.

The Terror of Tylorstown wrote:You don't quite understand how tactics work do you, as strange as it sounds Haye doesn't throw his jab with the primary aim of landing it because it's a range finder, I know that's a difficult concept for you to grasp but rather that sitting on boxrec nonstop try watching a damn fight you may learn something.

So show me another fight where his jab accuracy percentage was as low as 11%?

Against klitschko haye landed 21% of jabs

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

The Terror of Tylorstown wrote:Haye doesn't use his jab in the traditional sense of a say Wlad, he uses it more to feel out his opponent and as a range finder rather than an attacking weapon. For Haye it's only the power punch stat that matters and connecting with 36% suggests that Chisora isn't the hardest to find alternatively I could rewatch the fight and see that my eyes weren't deceiving me.

care to back that up

Try Youtube you dildo

you getting angry and resorting to insults because of an internet debate with a stranger about 2 fighters? rather pathetic.

What is rather pathetic is how dumb you are, I can't work out if your just plain stupid or deliberately awkward.

Haye landed at 25% against Wlad too does that mean Chisoras defence is just as good?

Haye did seemed a bit more disciplined against Wlad though.

The Terror of Tylorstown wrote:You don't quite understand how tactics work do you, as strange as it sounds Haye doesn't throw his jab with the primary aim of landing it because it's a range finder, I know that's a difficult concept for you to grasp but rather that sitting on boxrec nonstop try watching a damn fight you may learn something.

No, he's a simpleton. Basically don't even bother trying to debate with him as no matter how simply you try spelling it out he'll just retort with the same utterly redundant point.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

The Terror of Tylorstown wrote:You don't quite understand how tactics work do you, as strange as it sounds Haye doesn't throw his jab with the primary aim of landing it because it's a range finder, I know that's a difficult concept for you to grasp but rather that sitting on boxrec nonstop try watching a damn fight you may learn something.

So show me another fight where his jab accuracy percentage was as low as 11%?

Against klitschko haye landed 21% of jabs

Why are you so hung up on jabs??

Especially for a fighter totally unreliant on them?

See, not even just me this time Rowls. But let the idiot WUM and ruin things.

I'll give up before another board gets closed down.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

The Terror of Tylorstown wrote:You don't quite understand how tactics work do you, as strange as it sounds Haye doesn't throw his jab with the primary aim of landing it because it's a range finder, I know that's a difficult concept for you to grasp but rather that sitting on boxrec nonstop try watching a damn fight you may learn something.

No, he's a simpleton.  Basically don't even bother trying to debate with him as no matter how simply you try spelling it out he'll just retort with the same utterly redundant point.

A bit like you saying ignore the jab stats for haye as he doesn't use his jab as a weapon lol even though Haye landed 21% of jabs against klitschko and only 11% of jabs against chisora you still refuse to give chisora's defence credit for that.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

The Terror of Tylorstown wrote:You don't quite understand how tactics work do you, as strange as it sounds Haye doesn't throw his jab with the primary aim of landing it because it's a range finder, I know that's a difficult concept for you to grasp but rather that sitting on boxrec nonstop try watching a damn fight you may learn something.

So show me another fight where his jab accuracy percentage was as low as 11%?

Against klitschko haye landed 21% of jabs

Why don't you try watching his fights rather than trudging up some rather meaningless statistics, compubox can be quite useful at times but it is also very misleading. It doesn't tell you how cleanly a punch landed, where it landed, how much it had behind it, you only know these things by watching the fight.

Starlight wrote:Haye did seemed a bit more disciplined against Wlad though.

Think you have spelt petrified incorrectly.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

The Terror of Tylorstown wrote:You don't quite understand how tactics work do you, as strange as it sounds Haye doesn't throw his jab with the primary aim of landing it because it's a range finder, I know that's a difficult concept for you to grasp but rather that sitting on boxrec nonstop try watching a damn fight you may learn something.

No, he's a simpleton.  Basically don't even bother trying to debate with him as no matter how simply you try spelling it out he'll just retort with the same utterly redundant point.

A bit like you saying ignore the jab stats for haye as he doesn't use his jab as a weapon lol even though Haye landed 21% of jabs against klitschko and only 11% of jabs against chisora you still refuse to give chisora's defence credit for that.

Have you seen the fights?

TopHat24/7 wrote:See, not even just me this time Rowls. But let the idiot WUM and ruin things.

I'll give up before another board gets closed down.

If he annoys you that much use the foe button. You will never have to read another word he says.

The Terror of Tylorstown wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

The Terror of Tylorstown wrote:You don't quite understand how tactics work do you, as strange as it sounds Haye doesn't throw his jab with the primary aim of landing it because it's a range finder, I know that's a difficult concept for you to grasp but rather that sitting on boxrec nonstop try watching a damn fight you may learn something.

No, he's a simpleton.  Basically don't even bother trying to debate with him as no matter how simply you try spelling it out he'll just retort with the same utterly redundant point.

A bit like you saying ignore the jab stats for haye as he doesn't use his jab as a weapon lol even though Haye landed 21% of jabs against klitschko and only 11% of jabs against chisora you still refuse to give chisora's defence credit for that.

Have you seen the fights?

Yes I watch them daily.

Rowley wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:See, not even just me this time Rowls. But let the idiot WUM and ruin things.

I'll give up before another board gets closed down.

If he annoys you that much use the foe button. You will never have to read another word he says.

Will I not be able to see his responses to my comments and the comments of others though?

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Rowley wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:See, not even just me this time Rowls. But let the idiot WUM and ruin things.

I'll give up before another board gets closed down.

If he annoys you that much use the foe button. You will never have to read another word he says.

Will I not be able to see his responses to my comments and the comments of others though?

Sounds perfect, that way you wont suddenly be filled with rage and start throwing insults around. Bit sad considering you are nearly 30 that you get angry over the iternet debating with a stranger over boxing.

I have no bleeding idea, never used it as I tend to get on with folk, and am not allowed now. You could always ask Jab Machine, remember him mentioning once that he had used it.

Rowley wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:See, not even just me this time Rowls. But let the idiot WUM and ruin things.

I'll give up before another board gets closed down.

If he annoys you that much use the foe button. You will never have to read another word he says.

Doesn't quite when everyone else quotes his inane drivel though does it.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Rowley wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:See, not even just me this time Rowls. But let the idiot WUM and ruin things.

I'll give up before another board gets closed down.

If he annoys you that much use the foe button. You will never have to read another word he says.

Will I not be able to see his responses to my comments and the comments of others though?

Sounds perfect, that way you wont suddenly be filled with rage and start throwing insults around. Bit sad considering you are nearly 30 that you get angry over the iternet debating with a stranger over boxing.

I find stupidity annoying, always have always will. Especially when the 'special kids' get given special dispensation for it.

If you've seen the fights then why don't you base your opinion on that rather than compubox, it would a) make you seem more insightful and b) make it easier to debate with you if it felt like you had watched it.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Rowley wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:See, not even just me this time Rowls. But let the idiot WUM and ruin things.

I'll give up before another board gets closed down.

If he annoys you that much use the foe button. You will never have to read another word he says.

Will I not be able to see his responses to my comments and the comments of others though?

Sounds perfect, that way you wont suddenly be filled with rage and start throwing insults around. Bit sad considering you are nearly 30 that you get angry over the iternet debating with a stranger over boxing.

I find stupidity annoying, always have always will.  Especially when the 'special kids' get given special dispensation for it.

But getting angry over an internet debate with a complete stranger on a topic as meaningless as whether a boxer has a good defence or not kind of makes you a 'special kid'.

Whether the foe button is the answer to all your prayers or not I can absolutely assure you it will be far more effective than insulting each other non stop.

Rowley wrote:I have no bleeding idea, never used it as I tend to get on with folk, and am not allowed now. You could always ask Jab Machine, remember him mentioning once that he had used it.

I now have to explain to TIMC why I just lolled out loud during Armageddon.

btw, we talked to Wilders manager tonight on the v2 boxing show about his next opponent  

Adam D wrote:btw, we talked to Wilders manager tonight on the v2 boxing show about his next opponent  

Please say its Fury? Don't like supporting the yanks. Don't like Fury more so.

Adam D wrote:btw, we talked to Wilders manager tonight on the v2 boxing show about his next opponent  

Look forward to hearing it, I like Wilder he seems to have his head screwed on and seems a very likeable person.

Deontay Wilder vs Odlanier Solis.

hampo171 wrote:Stevo, I've edited your post. Please think about how you want to word things.

I've heard worse in films... But anyhow, is it against a feather punching lhw who'll probably drop him? Bhop?

I'm sure you have, they're films and this isn't a film. We just ask terms like that aren't used mate.

Cheers.

Rowley wrote:I have no bleeding idea, never used it as I tend to get on with folk, and am not allowed now. You could always ask Jab Machine, remember him mentioning once that he had used it.

It doesn't work. He's blocked me Truss and Az at least 10 times each yet somehow he always responds to our comments. If I was to be cynical I would suggest he may only say such things for the e-attention.

 

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Rowley wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:See, not even just me this time Rowls. But let the idiot WUM and ruin things.

I'll give up before another board gets closed down.

If he annoys you that much use the foe button. You will never have to read another word he says.

Will I not be able to see his responses to my comments and the comments of others though?

Sounds perfect, that way you wont suddenly be filled with rage and start throwing insults around. Bit sad considering you are nearly 30 that you get angry over the iternet debating with a stranger over boxing.

He's turning into coxy. Getting more and more angry and irrational by the day.

C_S is my D4.

The realisation of this just frustrates me even more!!

You're as bad as eachother Mate...

Pot...kettle....black.....

I like to think I add something..which is the main difference..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I like to think I add something

We will let you know when you actually do.

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I like to think I add something

We will let you know when you actually do.

I can still think it..How are the kids ??

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I like to think I add something

We will let you know when you actually do.

I can still think it..How are the kids ??

Not sure. They were in bed when I left.

They miss you.

Tell them daddy will be home soon..

you know you're in trouble when the red font comes out.

Rowley is just a Utd fan that's all..