England squad for ODI's

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England name uncapped players Chris Jordan, Jamie Overton, Michael Carberry, Gary Ballance, Boyd Rankin for ODIs against Ireland & Australia

Alastair Cook, James Anderson, Ian Bell, Stuart Broad, Graeme Swann rested for England's ODIs v Ireland & Australia. Eoin Morgan to captain.

The England squad in full is as follows:
Eoin Morgan (captain) (Middlesex), Gary Ballance (Yorkshire), Ravi Bopara (Essex), Danny Briggs (Hampshire), Jos Buttler (Somerset), Michael Carberry (Hampshire), Steven Finn (Middlesex), Chris Jordan (Sussex), Jamie Overton (Somerset), Boyd Rankin (Warwickshire), Ben Stokes (Durham), James Taylor (Notts), James Tredwell (Kent), Luke Wright (Sussex).

is this the squad for the Aussie series?

Aussie have every chance of nilling us if so, this isn't strong like the team that thumped them in the Champions Trophy.

does raise more worries about englands depth in bowling and batting.  Aussie look in better and better shape than England there.

Why do have this random team anyway- Do we not care about this format?

What's even the point of playing 5 ODIs against Australia in September?

We just have to do it all over again next January.

no I don't think we do Roakey. I think ensuring players are rested and ready for the (stupid) second ashes in one year is clearly the priority.
 
No way this is world cup development.  This team will get thumped by Oz.
 
I can see why Vaughan felt people should have their money back when they pay to see England and they get an England 'A' experiment that will likely get walked over.

Duty281 wrote:What's even the point of playing 5 ODIs against Australia in September?

We just have to do it all over again next January.

about money and nothing else.
 
and then they stick two fingers up to those paying the money anyway.

I kind of hope it rains this cynical exercise off.

Bop has being playing very well in these shorter forms recently- certainly Our ODI pick at the moment.

I can understand resting swan and kp but no one else really. For instance can anyone explain why root is being rested???

Brilliant knock by Morgan  

mystiroakey wrote:Bop has being playing very well in these shorter forms recently- certainly Our ODI pick at the moment.

I can understand resting swan and kp but no one else really. For instance can anyone explain why root is being rested???

Very good question,  He is young and his form has been patchy.  He needs the experience and his young body could play and play.  Very strange.

I don't understand it Trebs.

But it looks like our two experienced players will bring this home.. Which will gloss over this performance.

mystiroakey wrote:I don't understand it Trebs.

But it looks like our two experienced players will bring this home.. Which will gloss over this performance.

indeed.  I don't think they will gloss what aussie will do to their bowlers.

there is a worrying lack of depth.

reckon warne might be right and Oz set for 5 series of domination again?

I wouldn't go that far mate

Bops and Mogs not hanging around now.  

Some comedy fielding on show today from both sides

a few big overs there.
 
the bbc feed has been a treat. many celebrations of victory with tons of overs left when eng were 4 down early on.

Well done Bops too.

Well played I suppose. to win with that amount of balls spare was something after our start.

Well done Ireland for giving it a go,

Why did we ever doubt Ravi Bopara eh

well, does suggest there were plenty of runs in the pitch given the overs left so maybe the bowling wasn't as bad as it seemed.

Bops and Mogs did great with the biggest 5th wicket partnership and Bops first ton.

Great pertnership between Morgan and Bopara.  

KP, Trott and Root will be back to shore up the top order for the ODI's against Australia. Rankin, Finn, Stokes and especially Tredwell impressed with the ball today though but I still think we were a bowler light which probably means Jordan/Overton have to come in for someone.

Harsh to judge the top 4 on today's performance, it is not easy to come in and perform when you know you only have one innings to make an impression.

It is very telling that our only two nailed on ODI players were the only two to play better than shocking. Yes the silver lining is that they played superbly. But the rest /headsgone

JDizzle wrote:Great pertnership between Morgan and Bopara.  

KP, Trott and Root will be back to shore up the top order for the ODI's against Australia. Rankin, Finn, Stokes and  especially Tredwell impressed with the ball today though but I still think we were a bowler light which probably means Jordan/Overton have to come in for someone.

Harsh to judge the top 4 on today's performance, it is not easy to come in and perform when you know you only have one innings to make an impression.

so what was someone on the bbc feed calling it the worst ever bowling performance for?  (came up on the live feed after Irelands innings).
 
an idiot presumably?

so some top batsmen are back for the main series.  any bowling changes?

I cant see a reason for resting Broad.. I hope he comes back!

trebellbobaggins wrote:

JDizzle wrote:Great pertnership between Morgan and Bopara.  

KP, Trott and Root will be back to shore up the top order for the ODI's against Australia. Rankin, Finn, Stokes and  especially Tredwell impressed with the ball today though but I still think we were a bowler light which probably means Jordan/Overton have to come in for someone.

Harsh to judge the top 4 on today's performance, it is not easy to come in and perform when you know you only have one innings to make an impression.

so what was someone on the bbc feed calling it the worst ever bowling performance for?  (came up on the live feed after Irelands innings).
 
an idiot presumably?

so some top batsmen are back for the main series.  any bowling changes?

Completely wrong. Obviously there is room for improvement, but Rankin and Finn were hostile early on (few too many 4 balls, but nothing disastrous) then Tredwell bowled brilliantly. Stokes bowled better than 0-52 too but he is a 5th bowler with plenty of potential. Again death bowling was poor though. The fact we went in a bowler light and the fact our fielding was awful (at least 2 drops I saw, and countless little fumbles which not all can be blamed on the outfield) were the main problems.

Think the bowling resources stay the same for the main series. Expect to see a regular seamer come in for a batsman though.

cheers Dizzle.  Sounds like things that can be fixed though.

Aussie looking very strong though.

All in all a great day for Irish cricket.

Gave it a good go, and when England's best bowler and best batsman were Irish........*

*Which by the way, I don't blame them for, they want to play Test cricket and they don't have that opportunity here. Days like this and Intercontinental Cup performances, coupled with a first class structure in place, can only help us get our place at the Test table!

I hope you get test status.

and either way you need to push for more games..The big boys have to give back and offer odi series not just one of games!

Dave. wrote:

Gave it a good go, and when England's best bowler and best batsman were Irish........*

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......And Ireland's best bowler was English  

Decent workout for England. We didn't really learn much from the match as the inexperienced top 4 all failed and was left to two of our more established players to get it done

Not sure how much this game means for even the coming five against Australia , though Carberry didn't do himself many favours from what I read...
JDizzle says Stokes bowled better than his figures showed (glad to hear it !) but I would still think he is an either/or with Bopara , and that means he will likely be missing out.
Not much they can add to the bowling , but surely Overton will be tried ? Batting should be OK with the regulars slotting back in... I certainly wouldn't be conceding anything to Australia in advance.
Yes they have a decent ODI team , but , like this England selection , their bowlers are not the Test attack , and the batting will be hoping for success from the top three for big totals...
Australia nominal favourites , perhaps , but the series may be closer
than many think.

Why can't we add broad to this setup to really sort it out!!

He is young and fit enough!

mystiroakey wrote:Why can't we add broad to this setup to really sort it out!!

He is young and fit enough!

Not so sure about that, he has had a few injuries over the last 2 years. I am happy he is rested for this, it is not an important series and the score will be forgotten within 2 weeks. For example, can anyone off the top of the head remember the score from last years ODIs vs South Africa. I couldn't even tell you how many we played let alone the score.

I don't want to give the aussies anything mate..

mystiroakey wrote:I don't want to give the aussies anything mate..

They can have the one-dayers. Warney can write another momentum article to get their hopes up, then we can smash them again in the Tests.

I would happily sacrifice a couple of ODI wins to keep Broad fit for the Ashes tour !
Anyway it might not make any difference : they may win anyway ; or they might have lost with Broad and Bell etc ...just a pity Bresnan isn't fit , he would have rounded out the attack nicely. But it won't hurt to have a look at a couple of fringe bowlers.

VTR wrote:Decent workout for England. We didn't really learn much from the match as the inexperienced top 4 all failed and was left to two of our more established players to get it done

3 of that top 4 will be replaced by Pietersen, Trott and Root come Friday. Just a question of whether Carberry or Wright stay I guess.

wright will stay- carbs gone

mystiroakey wrote:wright will stay- carbs gone

I really hope not. Wright looked comfortably England's worst batsman yesterday.

Both are in the squad. Wright does offer a bowling option - but shoudl he open?

isn't Ballance also in the squad? Could conceivably see KP and Root opening, Trott at 3, Morgan/Ballance at 4 and 5, etc. Not a fan of it as Root is well suited to n°4, but would still be a better option than Wright opening the batting IMO.

LondonTiger wrote:Both are in the squad. Wright does offer a bowling option - but shoudl he open?

Hopefully not. He does not have the technique to play fast bowling against the new ball. He can get away with that in T20 but not in the longer form. In ODIs you want openers that can go on and make hundreds as well.

Wright has been playing very well recently for his county and lower england levelsl.. Carbs looked distinctly average and is too old to bother with- he would only ever be a short term fix like compton.

the trouble is, you look at Wright's scores, and they're basically glorified T20 knocks. Very impressive, but there's little building of an innings there, a huge proportion of his runs are scored in boundaries, and there are quite a few dots balls.

Yes he's in great form, but I don't have much confidence in his ability to rotate the strike properly (see yesterday, 2 scoring shots in 20 balls...) and think the good Aussie bowlers won't give him enough boundary balls, so he'll end up getting frustrated and doing something stupid (like yesterday).

My assessment may sound harsh, but I don't think Wright will ever be an international standard 50-over player. He's a good T20 player but that's it.

Carberry I'm not utterly convinced by either TBH, but he also has excellent form for his County, I'd have preferred to see someone like Hales given a go if we're trying out a new opener, he looks a classy player to me.

I don't really like bringing age into this, you pick your best XI. If Carberry is at the moment a better option than Wright than we should pick him, even if he's only around a couple of years (still takes us through to next World Cup).

he is in form- what is it 3 45 pluses and another 3 100 pluses in the last month. I would give him a go.. He would never open in my odi team though!! Root and KP all day long.

And also whatever people think about root opening I think have to understand that he is going to be opening in the up and coming ashes test series.. So giving him the opening role in this odi series will be beneficial in the long run..

[quote="Mad for Chelsea"]the trouble is, you look at Wright's scores, and they're basically glorified T20 knocks. Very impressive, but there's little building of an innings there, a huge proportion of his runs are scored in boundaries, and there are quite a few dots balls.

Yes he's in great form, but I don't have much confidence in his ability to rotate the strike properly (see yesterday, 2 scoring shots in 20 balls...) and think the good Aussie bowlers won't give him enough boundary balls, so he'll end up getting frustrated and doing something stupid (like yesterday).

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Exactly, its either 4, 6 or nothing it seems. You want some class and technique at the top in ODIs with the two new balls and high quality fast bowling to be faced. Cook and KP would be the opening pair for me.

cook isn't playing though is he. so in this case who would you go for?

I'm not disagreeing that he's in form, anyone can see that. My point is more that those hundreds are basically somewhat prolonged T20 knocks. He gets his eye in, then BAM, hits loads of boundaries all over the place. That's fine when facing average bowlers, but probably won't work against good ones (or maybe once in 20 attempts or so). In T20s you don't mind Wright slogging 35 off 20 balls, but in the 50 over game you need more from your top 3, and for me Wright doesn't have the game for it.

Happy to be proven wrong, but I just don't see it. My personal ODI XI has Cook and KP opening, Trott at 3, then Root, Morgan, Buttler, Stokes/Bopara (Bopara at 6 if he plays), Broad Swann Finn and Anderson.

From this squad I'd give Carberry the nod, for want of a better option. Root and KP would be my second option.

mystiroakey wrote:cook isn't playing though is he. so in this case who would you go for?

KP and Root for this series. Cook and KP when everyone is available

Bops has to start.. thats a given

I agree, but would like to see Stokes given a chance at some point in the series. Stokes certainly strikes me as a better bowler than Bops, and I'm still not utterly convinced by the "muddle through ten overs of Bops and Root" approach, though i accept it's the best solution we have right now.

Shame to see Rankin play for England.
Understand why, we dont have test status.
 
Ireland trying to improve, could have done with Rankin & Morgan staying put.
 
Joyce, O'Brien, Porterfield.
 
Not the worst team.
 
Not a huge cricket fan, but do look to see how Ireland are progressing.
There is a bit of talent there.
 
Would love to see Ireland compete on a regular basis with the big boys at some stage.