Munster V Leinster [Sat 5 oct 18:45]

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Head to head
Munster v  Leinster
36  Played 36
17  Wins 17
17  Losses 17
2   Draws 2
51  Tries 47
35  Conversions 34
100  Penalties 98
6   Drop Goals 4
673  Points 622
25   Avg. Age 26


The match is on RTE

profitius wrote:This thread is very quiet! Its has only the 4th highest post count so far of the Rabo games on this weekend. Where have all the Munster and Leinster fans gone?

Probably back home on Munsterfans  

Munsterfan's thread has 31,520 views and 422 posts so far!

Sweet Sin é is here now, it should kick off.

Its a bit of an Ireland trial match too. Schmidt will be there and hasn't picked a squad yet.


Big game for Matt O'Connor. He made some brave selections there. I think Munster can dominate the lineout and pinch a few of Leinsters. Leinster have no second row replacement on the bench either. Have they got a plan up their sleeve?


The scrum is another close battle. Much depends on how Archer gets on against Healy. Kilcoyne and Ross know each other well too.


The Munster backrow v the Leinster backrow. Munster done well there last year but as RG points out, TOD is missing. How will that effect the game? Ronan is lightweight but a good link player so it looks like Munster are concentrating on attack.


The benches are even enough.

What has DK got to do with Leinster v Munster?You have a serious bee in your bonnet about a coach that hasn't been up to it since 2009 and seem to mention him constantly.

Get over it he wasn't up to the job and got the sack,now a better coach has replaced him and you'll get your chance for revenge if we don't beat the All Blacks,get to a WC final and win a 6N every year like we did under Deccie.  

I swear to God I heard a child crying just then...

profitius wrote:Its a bit of an Ireland trial match too. Schmidt will be there and hasn't picked a squad yet.

Wolfhounds trial match you mean......

Sin é wrote:

The Saint wrote:Might we see a try or two for a change?

 26 tries between them in the Rabo so far (both have had two try bonus games each so far).

Munster's defence has been awful as well  

But the comment was made with reference to the last few derby fixtures between these two teams.

BTW, Sin é is a pub in Cork so I'm told? When they told me the first thing I thought of was you .

LondonTiger wrote:

profitius wrote:This thread is very quiet! Its has only the 4th highest post count so far of the Rabo games on this weekend. Where have all the Munster and Leinster fans gone?

Where did Red Stag go

Argentina. The lucky boll1x. He does miss this derby game though.

Interesting that Leicester and Northampton have a derby too. Is it always this way before HC 1?

Submachine wrote:

asoreleftshoulder wrote:Not very impressed by Tuqiri at outside centre,Macken has been playing well and is more deserving of a shot imo.

Agreed. It does look as if they are looking to get their money’s worth for the 3 months he is here. I can't recall Tuqiri ever playing centre and I was never overly impressed with him defensively. Glad hes facing Laulala and not Earls. I think earls would murder him for pace.

Tuqiri has been training in the centre all week and looking class.

Even at 34 the man has serious pace. and of course huge power.

Think of it this way. If Bod makes it next week, then everyone else has played in their starting positions and Tuqiri can go to 11, 22, or 23.
If Bod doesn't make it. you then have Macken (who as you say has been going well there) or Tuqiri if he goes well tomorrow.

ME-109 wrote:I swear to God I heard a child crying just then...

Abrasive as ever.

Jenifer McLadyboy wrote:

ME-109 wrote:I swear to God I heard a child crying just then...

Abrasive as ever.

Apparently flippant comments are not allowed, otherwise the baby gets thrown out with the bathwater

ME-109 wrote:

Jenifer McLadyboy wrote:

ME-109 wrote:I swear to God I heard a child crying just then...

Abrasive as ever.

Apparently flippant comments are not allowed, otherwise the baby gets thrown out with the bathwater

There need to be a baby in the bath first.

rodders wrote:

ME-109 wrote:

Jenifer McLadyboy wrote:

ME-109 wrote:I swear to God I heard a child crying just then...

Abrasive as ever.

Apparently flippant comments are not allowed, otherwise the baby gets thrown out with the bathwater

There need to be a baby in the bath first.

There was

I didn't have high hopes for Tuqiri. Just me being ageist. Good to hear he's going well.

The Saint wrote:

Sin é wrote:

The Saint wrote:Might we see a try or two for a change?

 26 tries between them in the Rabo so far (both have had two try bonus games each so far).

Munster's defence has been awful as well  

But the comment was made with reference to the last few derby fixtures between these two teams.

BTW, Sin é is a pub in Cork so I'm told? When they told me the first thing I thought of was you .

It might be a pub in Cork (and Dublin for that matter), but its Irish for "Thats it", a common enough phrase used in Ireland.

Considering your from Tipp, I'm not surprised you would take on a name from Cork for example.

Few mistakes from both sides, but high intensity. Earls is having a great game so far.

Have all the banwagoners given up on Munster? So many empty seats.

LeinsterFan4life wrote:Have all the banwagoners given up on Munster? So many empty seats.

Surprised at that. Expected a full house, or very close to it.

Very naughty, Madigan  

Kearneys defence is getting worse.

Munster 10 - 9 Leinster at half time. Scrappy enough game. Earls with the only try so far.

Is that the first time tuquiri has touched the ball tonight?

Excellent defence, Leinster.

Keatley! You can't let these ladyboy types away with a bonus point.
That would be Really Quite Inconvenient for us.

Terrible performance from both teams. I'm worried for next weekend for both teams.

Lote Tuquiri.......what can you say. He's gone off injured twice now and will almost certainly be out for next week if his hamstring is gone.

Not almost certainly.....certainly out for next week if its his hamstring.

Congrats, Munster 

Not the best of games, but maybe their thoughts were on next week rather than the here and now.
Still enjoyed it though  

Chris* more turgid Shiite from two more Irish teams coached by antipodeans. It was so bad they made keatley motm which was hilarious. No wonder Joe the messiah looked even more cranky than usual.

Still a win against the unspeakables is still a win

George is a scream  

Yep, a win is a win. We'll take that after a long drought.

Hello all the blue rinse brigade...where are you????

Some of the players looked a little off the pace which isn't a surprise considering they've not been back long. The intensity of the game will do both sides good though.


Some impressive displays for Munster. The scrums were good and what stood out in particular was James Cronins introduction. Ross or Moore couldn't handle him and not to mention his involvement in the loose. He could be an Ireland squad bolter the way hes going. Archer had a good battle with Healy.


Big concern for Munster is POM going off. Hopefully its not a bad concussion.

James Cronin looks even better than Kilcoyne in my opinion. Similar in the loose, but even more destructive in the scrum. Early days I guess, but my word have Munster got two fantastic looseheads at their disposal.

Now we just need the same sort of depth at tighthead!

profitius wrote:Some of the players looked a little off the pace which isn't a surprise considering they've not been back long. The intensity of the game will do both sides good though.


Some impressive displays for Munster. The scrums were good and what stood out in particular was James Cronins introduction. Ross or Moore couldn't handle him and not to mention his involvement in the loose. He could be an Ireland squad bolter the way hes going. Archer had a good battle with Healy.


Big concern for Munster is POM going off. Hopefully its not a bad concussion.

He was able to walk off the pitch so I think it will just be the routine time out for a concussion.

These new scrum laws seem to really suit munsters props. I hope Moore can adjust or else we could be in trouble.

Well done Munster, comfortably the better side and the scoreline flattered Leinster, who really offered very little in attack.

Keatley was excellent and comfortably outplayed Madigan who had a bit of a shocker. Leinster should be pretty worried heading into the heino, their backrow was played off the park and the backs were poor in attack and defence. Munster looked hungrier and played with an intensity they couldn't match.

Looked like Shaggy was going to throttle Hookie for pointing out Leinster are in crisis...but I think old Georgie might not be too far off the mark.....

Has anyone pointed out to leinster and munster that its your fault for all this heineken cup mess? The lnr and prl have a problem with rabo teams being able to rest players ready for euro action and having an unfair advantage.
Well if our welsh regions, scottish regions and Italian teams have an unfair advantage we certainly don't use it! So if you weren't out there showing up the french and English we wouldn't have a problem. (they'd probably still moan about money).

Ps yes I'm joking.

rodders wrote:Well done Munster, comfortably the better side and the scoreline flattered Leinster, who really offered very little in attack.

Keatley was excellent and comfortably outplayed Madigan who had a bit of a shocker. Leinster should be pretty worried heading into the heino, their backrow was played off the park and the backs were poor in attack and defence. Munster looked hungrier and played with an intensity they couldn't match.

Looked like Shaggy was going to throttle Hookie for pointing out Leinster are in crisis...but I think old Georgie might not be too far off the mark.....

Our 2nd string back row were played off the park. Ryan and Ruddock are better than Locky, and Murphy's currently playing better than Jamie. I was a bit disappointed in SOB, should have been dominating his opposite number, and hopefully he just needs some game time. If SOB dosen't get some form back, Jenno may give him a run for his money, although if that happens SOB will prob start at 6 where he is better.

The game played out exactly how Munster wanted to. They're just too good at the slow scrappy dog fights as opposed to the quick recycling matches the Leinster pack are used to. Players like Toner are just no match for Ryan and the likes when it comes to this type of match.

I also agree with Shaggy. Leinster are in no crisis and they'll prove that next week.

BOD is more important to Leinster and Ireland at this moment in time than some may think. The Leinster backline looked very short on creativity.

Think the most satisfying thing for me was watching Stephen archer develop  I have given him criticism in the past be he's worked hard and he had Cian Healey a top class player in his pocket. In fact I would say that everyone of the Munster forwards had the better of their counter parts .

Munster have been in transition for 3 seasons now and finally  their is light at the end  of the tunnel

gleesonisgod wrote:

rodders wrote:Well done Munster, comfortably the better side and the scoreline flattered Leinster, who really offered very little in attack.

Keatley was excellent and comfortably outplayed Madigan who had a bit of a shocker. Leinster should be pretty worried heading into the heino, their backrow was played off the park and the backs were poor in attack and defence. Munster looked hungrier and played with an intensity they couldn't match.

Looked like Shaggy was going to throttle Hookie for pointing out Leinster are in crisis...but I think old Georgie might not be too far off the mark.....

Our 2nd string back row were played off the park. Ryan and Ruddock are better than Locky, and Murphy's currently playing better than Jamie. I was a bit disappointed in SOB, should have been dominating his opposite number, and hopefully he just needs some game time. If SOB dosen't get some form back, Jenno may give him a run for his money, although if that happens SOB will prob start at 6 where he is better.

The game played out exactly how Munster wanted to. They're just too good at the slow scrappy dog fights as opposed to the quick recycling matches the Leinster pack are used to. Players like Toner are just no match for Ryan and the likes when it comes to this type of match.

I also agree with Shaggy. Leinster are in no crisis and they'll prove that next week.

We might not be in crisis but for next week's HC it's just as well Ospreys are in no great shape either after losing at home to Ulster because the display in Thomond was downright awful. Played off the park in most positions - you expect POC and Ryan to dominate over Toner and McCarthy but to see the front and back rows being done by Munster was frightening when you look at who we're facing in the next few weeks. I'll excuse Madigan his shocker as up to now he's been excellent and everybody is entitled to the odd bad game, but O'Connor has some serious thinking about who starts at 10 next week. I'd go with Madigan but improvement needed. And without the creativity we had from BOD in the Ospreys game a couple weeks ago, the back line looked toothless. And then we have Kirchner to come in - anybody who saw the SA-NZ game just before the Munster-Leinster game can see we ain't getting a new Nacewa - he was dog poor.

Given that there's little or chance of a best runner-up coming out of our HC group, we're going to have the win the group to go through to the QF's - and even then we would be struggling to get a home QF. I think we can win the group - Castres will blow hot and cold, Northampton are not going to win anything without a quality 10 (and Myler is a long way off that) and the Ospreys don't look in the greatest shape either. Going to be a struggle though.

Munster played well and should have won by a lot more but they shouldn't get carried away. A return of one try against an overpowered Leinster team wasn't a great return. Still for the HC, they have one of the easier groups - Edinburgh are dire, Gloucester have been leaking almost 30 points a game in the AP while Perpignan are in mid-table in the T14 with a 5-4 record. Munster should be aiming to win this group and a home QF

Did someone just call SOB and Jamie a second string backrow...ffs. We wont get carried away but nice progress all over the park. I would still have concerns with Keatley's ability to steer us through games where the misses last night would really count.

gleesonisgod wrote:

rodders wrote:Well done Munster, comfortably the better side and the scoreline flattered Leinster, who really offered very little in attack.

Keatley was excellent and comfortably outplayed Madigan who had a bit of a shocker. Leinster should be pretty worried heading into the heino, their backrow was played off the park and the backs were poor in attack and defence. Munster looked hungrier and played with an intensity they couldn't match.

Looked like Shaggy was going to throttle Hookie for pointing out Leinster are in crisis...but I think old Georgie might not be too far off the mark.....

Our 2nd string back row were played off the park. Ryan and Ruddock are better than Locky, and Murphy's currently playing better than Jamie. I was a bit disappointed in SOB, should have been dominating his opposite number, and hopefully he just needs some game time. If SOB dosen't get some form back, Jenno may give him a run for his money, although if that happens SOB will prob start at 6 where he is better.

The game played out exactly how Munster wanted to. They're just too good at the slow scrappy dog fights as opposed to the quick recycling matches the Leinster pack are used to. Players like Toner are just no match for Ryan and the likes when it comes to this type of match.

I also agree with Shaggy. Leinster are in no crisis and they'll prove that next week.

Yeah sorry but how was Heaslip, SOB and McLaughlin your second string back row? They play all your big HC games. 2 of them are Lions. I have no idea how you can call that your second string back row.

gleesonisgod wrote:The game played out exactly how Munster wanted to. They're just too good at the slow scrappy dog fights as opposed to the quick recycling matches the Leinster pack are used to. Players like Toner are just no match for Ryan and the likes when it comes to this type of match.

Ah here now. Munster were the ones producing the quick ball and playing the rugby. But for the 2 breaks by Tuquiri Leinster created nothing. It may have been scrappy because both sides were infringing at the breakdown and Poite didn't seem to know what was going on but Munster were comfortably superior in every aspect of the game. On paper Leinster were strong enough but for the first time in a few seasons they were outmuscled by Munster, and outsmarted too.

rodders wrote:

gleesonisgod wrote:The game played out exactly how Munster wanted to. They're just too good at the slow scrappy dog fights as opposed to the quick recycling matches the Leinster pack are used to. Players like Toner are just no match for Ryan and the likes when it comes to this type of match.

Ah here now. Munster were the ones producing the quick ball and playing the rugby. But for the 2 breaks by Tuquiri Leinster created nothing. It may have been scrappy because both sides were infringing at the breakdown and Poite didn't seem to know what was going on but Munster were comfortably superior in every aspect of the game. On paper Leinster were strong enough but for the first time in a few seasons they were outmuscled by Munster, and outsmarted too.

Ah Rodders, no point in arguing against the blue rinsed brigade unshaken belief that they are the only team in Ireland capable of playing expansive rugby...its just not cricket son

ME-109 wrote:

rodders wrote:

gleesonisgod wrote:The game played out exactly how Munster wanted to. They're just too good at the slow scrappy dog fights as opposed to the quick recycling matches the Leinster pack are used to. Players like Toner are just no match for Ryan and the likes when it comes to this type of match.

Ah here now. Munster were the ones producing the quick ball and playing the rugby. But for the 2 breaks by Tuquiri Leinster created nothing. It may have been scrappy because both sides were infringing at the breakdown and Poite didn't seem to know what was going on but Munster were comfortably superior in every aspect of the game. On paper Leinster were strong enough but for the first time in a few seasons they were outmuscled by Munster, and outsmarted too.

Ah Rodders, no point in arguing against the blue rinsed brigade unshaken belief that they are the only team in Ireland capable of playing expansive rugby...its just not cricket son

Munster have already scored 15 tries this season. More than Leinster and twice as many as Ulster. Only the Os have scored more. I'm just saying, like. That's fairly 'expansive'?

ME-109 wrote:Hello all the blue rinse brigade...where are you????

I was in Limerick at the match. Were you?