Deontay Wilder Vs Nicolai Firtha

I like Wilder. He will go far and probably win a major belt within the next 18 months. But Firtha is not an improvement on Audley. I'm all for developing talent at the right pace but this seems a step bsckwards.

Isn't Firtha a Fury victim?

His team have said they are not going to feel pressured into pushing him quicker than they feel is right.
They couldn't progress him much slower though.

Wilder is packing china in the mandible.

It so bloody obvious they aren't even disguising it anymore.

One big pay day is all Wilder wants, most likely against Wlad.

He'll probably take Wlad out.

azania wrote:He'll probably take Wlad out.

Bombing Wlad out is a little different to taking out Audley.

I reckon Fury - Wilder is a reality in the Summer of 2014 should Fury loose to Haye.

It's who lands first. If he comes out swinging anything could happen. He'd take fury out also. Fury is not a good enough pure boxer to stay at range. Nor is he a good enough inside fighter. Hope I'm wrong. Wilder is brought along carefully because of his lack of amateur experience. Plus he has chin issues. Not Price like wedgewood chin but Wlad like.

azania wrote:It's who lands first. If he comes out swinging anything could happen. He'd take fury out also. Fury is not a good enough pure boxer to stay at range. Nor is he a good enough inside fighter. Hope I'm wrong.  Wilder is brought along carefully because of his lack of amateur experience.  Plus he has chin issues.  Not Price like wedgewood chin but Wlad like.

People said the same when Haye was scheduled to fight wlad, only problem was wlad's defence is too good for any HW boxer to get through. Wilder is not better than Haye was in 2011 and if haye couldn't get through wilder won't.

I didn't. I said wlad would chew Haye up and sput him out. Wilder is the worst type of fighter for wlad. A big hitting aggressive fighter.

But getting to his chin means you may have to go through a series of jabs. Hurtful jabs. Does he have the heart or will he pull a Price? I reckon in a year he will be good enough.

I don't think that Wilder would knock Wlad out but he's significantly bigger than Haye so would be in a far better range to land something big.

One thing for sure is if he hurt wlad he would bury him.

azania wrote:I didn't.  I said wlad would chew Haye up and sput him out. Wilder is the worst type of fighter for wlad. A big hitting aggressive fighter.

But getting to his chin means you may have to go through a series of jabs. Hurtful jabs. Does he have the heart or will he pull a Price? I reckon in a year he will be good enough.

But he looks a big hitter because he has been in against tomato cans. David Price looked like a fantastic boxer and massive hitter fighting tomato cans like audley harrisson but as soon as he stepped up he lost to thompson.

Wilder might be the next big thing but he needs to step up his competition.

Possibly. We'll never know for sure until he steps up. But its all speculation. He does seem to have the tools to be a champ.

Didn't Firtha put Fury on his bum or something similar

Ridiculous fight, marking time waiting for K2 to retire and then sneak one of the belts that is up for grabs. Great business plan for making money, terrible for boxing fans.

Cant really be any other explanation for Wilders lack of progress other than he looks fairly pants in sparring.

DAVE667 wrote:Didn't Firtha put Fury on his bum or something similar

Nah that was Pajkic. Easy mistake to make, not knowing which feather-fisted bum dropped Fury on his backside....

Reasons why Wildr might not have stepped up yet:

1. He has no chin and someone knows it.
2. Waiting for the K bros. to retire so he can snatch up a belt without the same risk.
3. Can't find a live opponent willing to take him on.

If he was a genuine prospect he couldnt ask for a better environment to make an impact. A dull, talentless division headed by two ageing overrated champions. The fact he seems to be waiting for the Klitschkos retire rather than relieving them himself is very fishy. He hasnt even fought anybody who might look like someone that looks like a challenger.

azania wrote:Possibly.  We'll never know for sure until he steps up. But its all speculation.  He does seem to have the tools to be a champ.

And there is the rub. In 30 fights, his best opposition has been Audley and Firtha... His corner won't let him step up, I wonder why?

I agree he is will make for an uncomfortable fight for Wlad and may even win as we know Wlad can't take a decent punch but I suspect he also has a very suspect chin or they wouldn't be building his record up with such caution.

P.S Sorry, I'm not buying the "limited amateur career" argument for his protected record. He's a 27yr old, ex olympic bronze medallist in on of boxing's weakest divisions, the HWs! He has a better amateur pedigree and more fights (I think) than Del Boy. Del Boy was Brit and Commonwealth champ by his 14th fight. Given the US scene isn't any stronger than the UK scene, why has Deontay taken so long? Its obvious his team know he has serious limitations and are wanting to have a serious portfolio of limited fighters on his CV, force a fight with one of the K's, big payday and lose.

I would say he has had ass handed to him in sparring against Klitschko a few times and they know they wont win so he will just wait it out for them to retire and then try to bring the belts back to U.S.A and make a fortune. If he was champion material then theres nothing to be gained by holding him back.

Wilder is no better than Price from what we have seen so far. A great puncher, who has a skill for finishing guys off. They can both demolish guys like Harrison. I expect Thompson would beat Wilder, and I assume the guys closest to him are fully aware of his flaws. Still time for him to improve though, and im sure he is all the time

I like Wilder. He has pace, power and always delivers excitement. Further, he may have a great killer instinct and knowledge of when an opponent is hurt.

I say may have - because at this point in his career, 5 years in, he is still to fight anyone in the same league as him.

I know he had limited amateur experience - extremely limited experience - but in 5 years, you'd like to hope he would be at a level above that of Firtha.

He has been decked as well and doubts continue as to the strength of his beard. My biggest concern, however, is the type of opponent he is being lined up for. Big, slow lumberers (who may be able to deliver a big punch) but don't have particularly fast hands, or exceptional movement.

Arreola is there and a possibility, Cunningham is around, Banks is around. All these are fights that could be made before Wilder can call himself the best in the USA.

On the evidence we've seen, he's not the best in the USA. We could be wrong and he could shake up the world - stylistically he is a decent match for Wlad with good size, good speed, solid footwork and power. As mentioned above, however, its easy to look a million dollars if its the footballing equivalent of PL v Conference.

Speak of the devil. I mention your name and who turns up? Welcome back Doc.

LOOK IT'S OXRING

Evening folks. Hope all are well etc. I noticed your post az - brought back old times. Have replied, but am not biting on that subject. You've burned me before...

Speaking of heavyweights who are not living up to their initial potential - what about Boytsov?

Small guy - but beautiful punching power with a fantastic range of shots. Currently still fighting journeymen awaiting his shot at a payday v Wlad as a WBO mandatory. Rumours of a Chisora bout seem to have come to nothing with yet another injury.

Wasted talent or never-going-to be?

Welcome back oxy!

Oxy!!

You back for good now or just a fleeting visit? Trust the med exam finals went ok.

Chisora is a bit of a HW divisional gatekeeper, helped by his durability, therefore he makes a good match-up for many guys - including Boystov who, admittedly, I'd completely forgotten about!

Fleeting I suspect. Med finals went fine - which is why I'm not on here much anymore. Turns out, whatever Jeremy "what a total" Hunt has to say on the matter - I don't get much time away from work. Had a whole lot more time as a student...

Speaking of which - is Audley making another comeback or has he retired again? I must admit, I have started to lose track...

Were you ever on track with your warped ideas on boxing?  

Would you like to hear my theory on how James Figg would have beaten Chuck Liddell?

EDIT - probably Liddell, might have struggled with size. I'd be more confident re: a win over Bisping, however.

Heck I could take Bisping after a few jars. Isn't that what most of the oldies trained on?

Jars of bottled genius and creativity, maybe.

Poor old Deontay though. I've no doubt that he's finding the transition from fighting journeymen to the next step somewhat tough to manage on the basis that very few people want to actually go near him.

Arreola, Adamek, Fury, Haye.... The list goes on in terms of people that would see Wilder as very high risk for low return.

Hope Wilder can get Nicola to go Firtha.........

More than I could when I was at high.......