It's done like this, boys.

Thought this was interesting:

https://youtu.be/2VQJvmofgG8

1:48 - Quade Cooper and new Red's PNG pace man Aiden Toua demonstrate to Sexton et al. How to execute the cut out pass to exploit a compressed defense.

It's all about execution.

Some exciting talent on display! Astonishing finishing by contrast to some of the points left on the field in the 6N last weekend.

I'm sure we could find a spare tackling coach to send south.

Barney McGrew did it wrote:I'm sure we could find a spare tackling coach to send south.

No thanks, all of your coaches came from the SH in the first place. Nope - the tacklers are the same guys who came the nh and conceded fewer points than they scored. This is something different (and I understand your confusion not seeing it recently) it's called "finishing"

No thanks, all of your coaches came from the SH in the first place

Not all....

PNG? Well he'll be in a black or Gold top very soon then eh?

EDIT: And yes ill second Barney....we'll send you some tackling coaches down there....

Sigh. I guess you just don't get it. Ah well, maybe when out coaches that you've borrowed have shown your teams how to do it for another decade or so you might start to understand.

GloriousEmpire wrote:

Barney McGrew did it wrote:I'm sure we could find a spare tackling coach to send south.

No thanks, all of your coaches came from the SH in the first place. Nope - the tacklers are the same guys who came the nh and conceded fewer points than they scored. This is something different (and I understand your confusion not seeing it recently) it's called "finishing"

Shaun Edwards - defence coach - comes from Wigan, ie.from the NH of England! So not "all" at all!

So he is to blame for Wales leaking all those points against Ireland? No thanks, you can keep him.

Super rugby is very exciting but defense is a after thought in some games.

Look at the pitches/conditions for a start, you'd never see that type of rugby in Febuary in the NH.

Which English coaches are from the SH (bar Catt who's has English rugby education) ?

You are wrong. Lok at the quade cooper example ive given.

Its the execution of that beautiful flat pass at the line and the pace and angle of the runners that has created te space, not any lack of tackling ability. This is the same try Ireland should have scored against England but for poor execution.

It's also the same try the wallabys scored against both England and Wales in the AIs...so the nh pitches aren't to blame.

Playing rugby in the summer (hard pitches, warm hands) is completely different to in the winter (boggy, slow pitches and cold hands). Anyone who'd played the game would know this.

There's more to defense than tackling ability, Super rugby is often poor at both.

GloriousEmpire wrote:You are wrong. Lok at the quade cooper example ive given.

Its the execution of that beautiful flat pass at the line and the pace and angle of the runners that has created te space, not any lack of tackling ability. This is the same try Ireland should have scored against England but for poor execution.

It's also the same try the wallabys scored against both England and Wales in the AIs...so the nh pitches aren't to blame.

But surely they couldn't possibly have been able to score on account of the NH players being so brave and superbly good at tackling and the SH players being so cowardly and not being used to being tackled at all, GE?

come on GE the dude should have been taken out.. bad defensive work lado

Galted wrote:

GloriousEmpire wrote:You are wrong. Lok at the quade cooper example ive given.

Its the execution of that beautiful flat pass at the line and the pace and angle of the runners that has created te space, not any lack of tackling ability. This is the same try Ireland should have scored against England but for poor execution.

It's also the same try the wallabys scored against both England and Wales in the AIs...so the nh pitches aren't to blame.

But surely they couldn't possibly have been able to score on account of the NH players being so brave and superbly good at tackling and the SH players being so cowardly and not being used to being tackled at all, GE?

Yes, imagine how shocked i was when that "truth" was debunked by reality.

Every year the same super rugby players who "can't tackle" and "can't scrum" come to the nh and dance past their opposites, laying waste to nh rugby identity. Yet, every year we hear the same old tired excuses about pitches, about tackling. Yawn.

I agree the nh needs to sort out its rugby grounds however, the pitches are a disgrace.

that try was only scored because brown lost his mind on the wing.. playing out of position..

it was due to a defensive weakness.

Off course BROWN is the best attacking player in the world right now- but at the time was inexperienced on the wing.

edit an i thinking of the right game??

Has the title of this changed?

Woefully poor S15 defense is good practice for scoring tries (at test level).

Barney McGrew did it wrote:I'm sure we could find a spare tackling coach to send south.

   Good reposte.   

what's with the youtu.be?

quirky site?

GloriousEmpire wrote:Thought this was interesting:

https://youtu.be/2VQJvmofgG8

1:48 - Quade Cooper and new Red's PNG pace man Aiden Toua demonstrate to Sexton et al. How to execute the cut out pass to exploit a compressed defense.

It's all about execution.

Some exciting talent on display! Astonishing finishing by contrast to some of the points left on the field in the 6N last weekend.

Everyone knows that with a sprinkling of rain Cooper and Aussies become incapacitated. Playing in 6 nations stormy conditions vs super rugby summer conditions is a different kettle of fish.

GloriousEmpire wrote:I agree the nh needs to sort out its rugby grounds however, the pitches are a disgrace.

Some are. HQ is fine.

It must be so boring watching sides that consistently finish opportunities. Where's the joy in that sort of predictability? Why bother watching?

Try Scotland. You cannot imagine the joy of seeing not one, but two decent tries at the weekend. We've waited a very long time to see that! Much better supporting Scotland than the boring and sterile All Blacks.....

funnyExiledScot wrote:It must be so boring watching sides that consistently finish opportunities. Where's the joy in that sort of predictability? Why bother watching?

Try Scotland. You cannot imagine the joy of seeing not one, but two decent tries at the weekend. We've waited a very long time to see that! Much better supporting Scotland than the boring and sterile All Blacks.....

That's why the Boks was such a joy to watch last year.

Cyril wrote:

GloriousEmpire wrote:I agree the nh needs to sort out its rugby grounds however, the pitches are a disgrace.

Some are. HQ is fine.

So is Landsdowne. Absolutely pristine, doesnt get much better than Landsdowne roads surface despite torrid weather all Jan and feb. Both use the best grass system in the world Desso Grassmaster. Murrayfield and Cardiff will both have it next year too so all good. You already knew that though GE.

I'm not going to defend the Murrayfield pitch, it's been horrific this season - but we are doing something about it.

Once we have a decent pitch, with the application of a few silly tatoos, some pre-match line dancing and a lot of hair gel, we'll be just like the All Blacks.....

0:23 ..check out the linesman


Oh and the Cooper one was definitely forward   

GloriousEmpire wrote:You are wrong. Lok at the quade cooper example ive given.

Its the execution of that beautiful flat pass at the line and the pace and angle of the runners that has created te space, not any lack of tackling ability. This is the same try Ireland should have scored against England but for poor execution.

It's also the same try the wallabys scored against both England and Wales in the AIs...so the nh pitches aren't to blame.

yes, but did the ball move forwards?   

Youre forgetting that Australia is upside down so what looks forward from up here is actually backward.
Terrible mistake for the player to run the ball back and ground it in his own in goal area though.

I'd like to get to the bottom of what constitutes a forward pass...
Where's eg4ever?

Sgt_Pooly wrote:Super rugby is very exciting but defense is a after thought in some games.

Maybe thats why the stadiums always look empty!

or maybe they just love to watch a good defense in action hence why they stay away?  

There is some absolute beauty on show in that clip, but from a defencive coach POV there are some watch through your finger moments too.

The Cheifs try is a simple embaressment, decent take, the ball shifts to the opposite wing where 2 men are beaten by themselves with no tackle technique whatsoever and a third last ditch attempt shrugged off. Now one might say the back 3 knew where the weak defenders would be, but it is simply a big kid beating tiddlers...

Highlanders try is a good turnover and devestating counter attack, but look when he take the ball originally, 2 defenders, 1 fronts him up and the other is totally clueless and tucks in behind him, had he held the inside the ball carrier was going nowhere, very poor defencive instincts and coaching, but great finish from broken play.

The second highlanders try, nice wrap around move but the whole defencive line is flat footed and has no clue where to go, no excuse here, the line was set, they were in position and had they stepped up there was no threat whatsoever, again first up tackle missed, by the inside defender overrunning the ball carrier while the outside defender locks has tons of cover.

Reds try, clearly a worked move to flank an onrushing defence, and executed really well, however the only reason it proves so effective is the outside defender being late to the line and then falling off a simple tackle.

A lot of these try's look like defencive horror shows, but it isn't all black and white, the counter attacks ala Highlanders 2 and Cheifs are true horror shows, never a reason to overrun a ball carrier, or miss a first up tackle in the 5m channell, if there was special footork or support maybe but there wasn't, however the strike play are so intricately planned the strike runners have targetted weaker defenders, and therefore what looks like poor defending is defence manipulation by the attack.

As a defence coach I wouldn't be happy with any of those tries though...

Scrumpy wrote:

Sgt_Pooly wrote:Super rugby is very exciting but defense is a after thought in some games.

Maybe thats why the stadiums always look empty!

or maybe they just love to watch a good defense in action hence why they stay away?  

Average home attendance for Super Rugby teams:

2012:

Stormers - 38 123
Reds - 32 699
Bulls - 31 783
Sharks - 23 616
Waratahs - 20 646
Cheetahs - 17 364
Crusaders - 16 480
Blues - 15 930
Lions - 15 914
Highlanders - 15 866
Chiefs - 14 795
Rebels - 14 051
Hurricanes - 13 979
Brumbies - 13 936
Force - 13 409

2013:

Stormers - 33 545
Reds - 31 837
Kings - 31 783
Bulls - 29 134
Blues - 20 354
Cheetahs - 19 986
Sharks - 19 491
Waratahs - 17 036
Crusaders - 14 908
Brumbies - 14 290
Chiefs - 14 081
Highlanders - 13 334
Force - 12 240
Rebels - 11 947
Hurricanes - 10 934

Two questions

1. Do they not still use the little ribbons on the shorts in touch rugby?

2. If you hate NH rugby so much, how come you watch more of it than anyone else?

butterfingers wrote:There is some absolute beauty on show in that clip, but from a defencive coach POV there are some watch through your finger moments too.

The Cheifs try is a simple embaressment, decent take, the ball shifts to the opposite wing where 2 men are beaten by themselves with no tackle technique whatsoever and a third last ditch attempt shrugged off. Now one might say the back 3 knew where the weak defenders would be, but it is simply a big kid beating tiddlers...

Highlanders try is a good turnover and devestating counter attack, but look when he take the ball originally, 2 defenders, 1 fronts him up and the other is totally clueless and tucks in behind him, had he held the inside the ball carrier was going nowhere, very poor defencive instincts and coaching, but great finish from broken play.

The second highlanders try, nice wrap around move but the whole defencive line is flat footed and has no clue where to go, no excuse here, the line was set, they were in position and had they stepped up there was no threat whatsoever, again first up tackle missed, by the inside defender overrunning the ball carrier while the outside defender locks has tons of cover.

Reds try, clearly a worked move to flank an onrushing defence, and executed really well, however the only reason it proves so effective is the outside defender being late to the line and then falling off a simple tackle.

A lot of these try's look like defencive horror shows, but it isn't all black and white, the counter attacks ala Highlanders 2 and Cheifs are true horror shows, never a reason to overrun a ball carrier, or miss a first up tackle in the 5m channell, if there was special footork or support maybe but there wasn't, however the strike play are so intricately planned the strike runners have targetted weaker defenders, and therefore what looks like poor defending is defence manipulation by the attack.

As a defence coach I wouldn't be happy with any of those tries though...

Power, pace and guile. Not much a defensive (not the "s" not "c") can do about a guy with those skills running in space, as you guys find out every AI season.

Riskysports wrote:Two questions

1. Do they not still use the little ribbons on the shorts in touch rugby?

2. If you hate NH rugby so much, how come you watch more of it than anyone else?

Oh dear! Here come the jealous haters.

I watch nh rugby merely to embarrass you with my keen analytical ability and ensuing prediction accuracy.

Great. Another c*ck waving thread.

GloriousEmpire wrote:

Riskysports wrote:Two questions

1. Do they not still use the little ribbons on the shorts in touch rugby?

2. If you hate NH rugby so much, how come you watch more of it than anyone else?

Oh dear! Here come the jealous haters.

I watch nh rugby merely to embarrass you with my keen analytical ability and ensuing prediction accuracy.

Not at all. I enjoy watching the super ruby and appreciate the skill on show and some of the differences - however I am not as petty and small minded to spent my whole life trying to annoy people and actively try to embarrass people

The fact that you wrote that down actually shows your whole agenda in black and white, and it is not a nice thing

GloriousEmpire wrote:

Riskysports wrote:Two questions

1. Do they not still use the little ribbons on the shorts in touch rugby?

2. If you hate NH rugby so much, how come you watch more of it than anyone else?

Oh dear! Here come the jealous haters.

I watch nh rugby merely to embarrass you with my keen analytical ability and ensuing prediction accuracy.

You watch NH rugby to embarrass people on a rugby forum.....that's kinda pathetic. You should really get out more.

I get out plenty. It's a skill thing again. I can multi-task.

GloriousEmpire wrote:I watch nh rugby merely to embarrass you with my keen analytical ability and ensuing prediction accuracy.

Classy. It does, however, all make complete sense now.

Good of you to lay out your sole reason for being here.

GloriousEmpire wrote:I get out plenty. It's a skill thing again. I can multi-task.

It's ok mate, nothing to be embarrassed about.

Join a dating website or something?!?!

Ok I take it back. I watch NH rugby for the tremendously entertaining displays of defense (cough).

Yes biltong. I didn't start the digs to be fair. I merely commented on the similarity of two attacking moves and the relative merit of their execution.

Hmmmmm.

GE is innocent, Biltong, seanmichaels is the real mastermind behind all the evil on the rugby threads, he's the one you want to sort out.

ps - he says that Saffas eat mainly salad and that they put lentils in their boerewors.

That is total BS, they don't have salad in South Africa!

What's Salad?

http://www.frysvegetarian.co.za/news/go-vegan-keep-it-up/

It's manly to eat salad, apparently.

Oh, you're talking about the Garnish.

It isn't manly to put garnish on a plate

Biltong wrote:What's Salad?

It's that stuff your missus and her mates make in the kitchen while you stand around the braai with your mates trying not to fall down face-first.  It's got tomatoes and green things in.