England 2015 six nations potential team?

Corbesiero.hartley.cole.launchbury.lawes.b.vunipola.wood.morgan.care.ford.yarde.burgess.tuilagi.wade.brown Reps. Marler webber s.wilson Stooke Clifford Robson Farrell Watson

Are you related to Alan?

Would Billy V and Morgan work in the backrow?

adambarney wrote:Corbesiero.hartley.cole.launchbury.lawes.b.vunipola.wood.morgan.care.ford.yarde.burgess.tuilagi.wade.brown        Reps.  Marler webber s.wilson Stooke Clifford Robson Farrell Watson

Grand Slam here we come.

Well if you are including Stooke...why not Dom Barrow?

Corbs may never even play again the rate he's going.

Robshaw simply out of the squad altogether in one seasons time?   

Burgess hasn't even played a game in union yet.

If everyone picked our prediction/preference for what the team will be in a year's time, the only thing you could say with certainty is that they would all be wrong. I'd love it if England could build a backline around Ford, Tuilagi, Wade and Brown, but in 2008 I was anxiously waiting to see what Cipriani could do with a proper 13 like Matthew Tait outside him. Never happens.

bedfordwelsh wrote:Would Billy V and Morgan work in the backrow?

Only if there are cheeseburgers for Morgan there.

If we are doing random teams let me add one:

1.Waller
2.Webber
3.Wilson
4.Attwood
5.Kruis
6.Garvey
7.Fraser
8.Billy

9.Robson
10.Goode
11.Elliott
12.Burrell
13.Tompkins
14.Rokodiguini
15.Foden

One can only assume that in the OP's universe Robshaw runs over Stewie's cat (possibly with Burrell in the passenger seat).

Luckily Burgess was there to give it the kiss of life.

Realistically for next year but with a few curve balls:

Corbs Hartley Cole
Launchbury Lawes
Wood Robshaw Vunipola
Care Farrell
Yarde Tuilagi Daly Wade Brown

Vunipola George Wilson Attwood Morgan Youngs Ford Watson

Think Fraser will be pushing by then.

OP drops England captain who is a huge asset in order to stack the backrow with carrying and completely misbalance it. Good one

beshocked wrote:If we are doing random teams let me add one:

1.Waller
2.Webber
3.Wilson
4.Attwood
5.Kruis
6.Garvey
7.Fraser
8.Billy

9.Robson
10.Goode
11.Elliott
12.Burrell
13.Tompkins
14.Rokodiguini
15.Foden

If Goode can play 10 for England like he did last week that's not a bad side

ChequeredJersey wrote:

beshocked wrote:If we are doing random teams let me add one:

1.Waller
2.Webber
3.Wilson
4.Attwood
5.Kruis
6.Garvey
7.Fraser
8.Billy

9.Robson
10.Goode
11.Elliott
12.Burrell
13.Tompkins
14.Rokodiguini
15.Foden

If Goode can play 10 for England like he did last week that's not a bad side

I know Chequeredjersey. It's a bit of a random side I picked but it shows the strength in depth England potentially has except for TH. Plus I think it's just as realistic as the OP's.  

Most of my selections are a bit farfetched but one of those bolters could happen if there is an injury.

thomh wrote:If everyone picked our prediction/preference for what the team will be in a year's time, the only thing you could say with certainty is that they would all be wrong. I'd love it if England could build a backline around Ford, Tuilagi, Wade and Brown, but in 2008 I was anxiously waiting to see what Cipriani could do with a proper 13 like Matthew Tait outside him. Never happens.

Quite possibly my favourite post of all time.

You can have all the depth in the world but if only three of players would make the Wales XV what's the point?

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/delme-parfitt-forget-hypejust-three-6763568

Haha, Wales being Wales

MMaaxx wrote:You can have all the depth in the world but if only three of players would make the Wales XV what's the point?

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/delme-parfitt-forget-hypejust-three-6763568

Haha, Wales being Wales

I thought a number of English players were already in the welsh team 

Actually if I was a Welsh fan I am not sure that I would look at taking 3 players from us - though my criteria would be players that would clearly improve the team.

for example, while Mike Brown is in better form than 1/2p, he would not clearly improve the Welsh team. As such you could argue that only Danny Care does this.

With the players currently available to england, I would not take many of the Welsh players either, probably just Adam Jones, Jamie Roberts and George north (as a winger).

Note, I am not saying only 3 Welsh players are better than their english counterparts - just that these 3 are quite a lot better.

To be honest the consistent yardstick that that guy uses in the Walesonline article is selection for the Lions.

There is no need to agree on a list like that at all,

His selection criteria is about how long players have stuck around and impressed consistently so it's fair enough. A lot of the England players are new to the squad or have been around for quite a while before getting their place eg Hartley. If we were going by form over the last year or tournament it be different again. Hope we're talking about a team full of Englishmen after Sunday!

Well there was a lot of opinion backing Irish experience over English youth the other weekend. And it was a tight, tight match but we all know who won

As others have said, using the criteria that he is it's a fair enough selection - though I would argue that Hartley still comes out ahead of Hibbard. The problem is however that he seems to have chosen those criteria specifically for the purpose of putting as many welsh players in there as possible. Hypothetically, if Wales had got smashed by France last weekend, then it wouldn't affect the make-up of his team on the basis he is selecting, but it would be ridiculous to suggest that it wouldn't affect the odds for this game. Therefore irrelevant to any debate about who the favourites are.

On current form you can add Marler, Hartley, Launchbury, Robshaw, Burrell and Brown to the list - with North at wing. Davies hasn't even played in 4 months

I'm not sure I'd take Jones honestly

Over Cole, no, but based on Wilson vs Ireland, yes.

Wales fans and media will push their players , whilst English will push theirs.

Leaving Launchbury out for Alan Wyn Jones (a player i have never rated remotely) and Hibbard over Hartley clearly shows that.

Being a Lion isnt the be all and end all either.

GeordieFalcon wrote:Wales fans and media will push their players , whilst English will push theirs.

Leaving Launchbury out for Alan Wyn Jones (a player i have never rated remotely) and Hibbard over Hartley clearly shows that.

Being a Lion isnt the be all and end all either.

But surely Hibbard has better hair...

lostinwales wrote:Well there was a lot of opinion backing Irish experience over English youth the other weekend. And it was a tight, tight match but we all know who won

Actually the majority opinion was that the English youth were going to run circles round our old experienced Irish boys.  And it was a tight, tight match...but it didn't never quite happen such ways

Geordiefalcon it's interesting that we have differing opinions on who is the most overrated Welsh player.

Personally I think Alun wyn jones is a very good player. Dan Lydiate on the other hand.... has to be one of the most overrated players in the world.

Lydiate can tackle well, it means he's world class!

Wood would definitely be in ahead of Lydiate in my opinion.

To be fair at least the Welsh guy puts in Care and Farrell at 9 and 10 respectively.

adambarney wrote:Corbesiero.hartley.cole.launchbury.lawes.b.vunipola.wood.morgan.care.ford.yarde.burgess.tuilagi.wade.brown Reps. Marler webber s.wilson Stooke Clifford Robson Farrell Watson

OP I can't honestly say that I think the 2015 squad will be that different from the one we have had this year (injury returnees accepted). I doubt Burgess will be anywhere near the centres, all the chat I've heard has him pencilled into the back-row, where he will have significant competition.

What makes you say Stooke ahead of someone like Dave Attwood, Ed Slater or Geoff Parling? All are ahead of him in the pecking order and he has significant competition against the next wave such as George Kruis, Graham Kitchener, Charlie Matthews and Dom Barrow. Don’t get me wrong, I think he (and will become) an excellent player, but I think next year is a little optimistic. Thank God for competition again eh?

I would say the same about Clifford as a no.8 replacement. He is behind Billy V, Ben Morgan, Dave Ewers, Sam Dickinson to start with. He is probably also even behind more leftfield options like Jackson Wray, Carl Fearns, Ed Jackson and Sam Jones who are actually playing this season.

He is an excellent young player, no doubt about it, but I wonder if he has the bulk required to make it as an international number 8. Last summer during the JWC I thought that he may end up switching over to no.7 because of his exceptional breakdown abilities, not really heard much from him since then. Any Quins fans make any comments?

beshocked wrote:Geordiefalcon it's interesting that we have differing opinions on who is the most overrated Welsh player.

Personally I think Alun wyn jones is a very good player. Dan Lydiate on the other hand.... has to be one of the most overrated players in the world.

Lydiate can tackle well, it means he's world class!

Wood would definitely be in ahead of Lydiate in my opinion.

To be fair at least the Welsh guy puts in Care and Farrell at 9 and 10 respectively.

Yeah, i have just never rated him. But i accept that is must have something to have so many caps etc.

Lydiate...well yes hes another who just splits opinons so much isnt he.

AWJ is someone I always felt was a bit underpowered, not really great at anything, just ok a stuff... a bit meh. Sort of how most posters view Parling. However the welsman did impress me last 6Ns and in Australia.

LondonTiger wrote:AWJ is someone I always felt was a bit underpowered, not really great at anything, just ok a stuff... a bit meh. Sort of how most posters view Parling. However the welsman did impress me last 6Ns and in Australia.

Well he looked like he was going to be great when he first appeared, and to be fair he has a great CV, just not someone who you would particularly worry about.

"AWJ is someone......................."

If you scan across that real fast, it can dyslexically appear to be 'AWJ is awesome' - which is exactly what I thought it was until I read on.  I then started thinking that for a guy who thinks AWJ is awesome, he's certainly putting the boot into him in the detail!

Everything is awesome
Everything is cool when you're part of a team
Everything is awesome, when we're living our dream...

Sometimes I hate having young kids.

lostinwales wrote:Everything is awesome
Everything is cool when you're part of a team
Everything is awesome, when we're living our dream...

Sometimes I hate having young kids.

I have been unable to get that ditty out of my head - though it does make me smile. Also $%£$ years after my divorce, it may be time to start looking before it is too late. Cannot be good when you find Lego women hot