Aviva Premiership - Round 19

by **LondonTiger** Mon Apr 07, 2014 12:59 pm

First topic message reminder :

Table:

Pos	Team	__Pld__	__Won__	_Drawn_	_Lost_	__For__	_Against_	__TF__	__TA__	__TBP__	__LBP__	__Pts__
1	Saracens	18	16	0	2	507	260	53	27	8	0	72
2	Northampton Saints	18	14	1	3	451	269	52	22	5	2	65
3	Leicester Tigers	18	12	2	4	422	342	43	30	4	2	58
4	Bath Rugby	18	12	1	5	410	313	40	32	3	2	55
5	Sale Sharks	18	11	0	7	323	296	31	25	2	5	51
6	Harlequins	18	11	0	7	337	288	32	26	2	3	49
7	London Wasps	18	7	0	11	341	364	33	33	2	9	39
8	Gloucester Rugby	18	7	0	11	328	425	33	46	2	6	36
9	Exeter Chiefs	18	7	0	11	324	349	28	34	1	6	35
10	London Irish	18	5	0	13	283	390	24	37	0	6	26
11	Newcastle Falcons	18	3	0	15	200	414	15	45	1	6	19
12	Worcester Warriors	18	1	0	17	224	440	18	45	0	6	10

Fixtures:

Fri 11th Apr 14
19:45 Sale Sharks v Harlequins BT Sport

Sat 12th Apr 14
15:00 Leicester Tigers v London Wasps
15:00 Worcester Warriors v Exeter Chiefs
15:15 Gloucester Rugby v Bath Rugby BT Sport

Sun 13th Apr 14
14:00 Saracens v Northampton Saints BT Sport
15:00 London Irish v Newcastle Falcons

by Scrumpy Sat Apr 12, 2014 4:53 pm

This ref is really really bad!

by Welly Sat Apr 12, 2014 5:00 pm

Shocking play glous going for uncontested.

by Guest Sat Apr 12, 2014 5:15 pm

Well, what a final 15 minutes of Gloucester Bath

by Scrumpy Sat Apr 12, 2014 5:16 pm

Glaws what a disgrace Very Happy

by Welly Sat Apr 12, 2014 5:16 pm

what an ending everyone should avoid shedweb for a bit.

lol

by Bathite Sat Apr 12, 2014 5:17 pm

I've never seen anything like that! I think I've had a stroke

by Scrumpy Sat Apr 12, 2014 5:21 pm

I might give shedweb a go.

by Welly Sat Apr 12, 2014 5:22 pm

Scrumpy wrote:I might give shedweb a go.

Aviva Premiership - Round 19 - Page 3 Mog

by Guest Sat Apr 12, 2014 5:27 pm

Glad I tuned in for the last 30 minutes of Bath Gloucester. That ref was ruddy awful although fair enough with the yellow and red toward the end (the second yellow, a bit much, maybe fair enough given context of 6 points in it, 5 minutes to go).

Always amazes me to see teams playing 13/12/11 players and they don't just pass it out and straighten up - think the pressure gets to them!

by Welly Sat Apr 12, 2014 5:31 pm

The uncontested bit annoyed me the most Wasps did it before the Premiership stepped in.

could Glous get docked points if it found out Murphy has played TH before?

by Scrumpy Sat Apr 12, 2014 5:31 pm

They seem like a level headed bunch, not what I was expecting but I guess the guys at the game haven't got home yet and I doubt whether smart phones have reached glawshire yet!

by Welly Sat Apr 12, 2014 5:33 pm

Scrumpy wrote:They seem like a level headed bunch, not what I was expecting but I guess the guys at the game haven't got home yet and I doubt whether smart phones have reached glawshire yet!

Just wait, they were to busy chanting the referee's a W****r. they will come.

the match thread is only 6 pages long it usually goes to 14/15.

by Scrumpy Sat Apr 12, 2014 5:33 pm

Murphy played tighthead for Reading irish!

by Welly Sat Apr 12, 2014 5:34 pm

that's what I thought.

So could Glous be docked or fined for that?

by Welly Sat Apr 12, 2014 5:35 pm

I think shedweb has been shut down for the time being they did this last time they lost to bath.

by Scrumpy Sat Apr 12, 2014 5:36 pm

They should get Both but I think they'll get a fine.

by EnglishReign Sat Apr 12, 2014 5:39 pm

An exciting end to an otherwise awful edition of the Tim Wigglesworth Show.

by Scrumpy Sat Apr 12, 2014 5:41 pm

Can't argue with that, but to be fair at the end he was pretty good in the fact he got everything right when everyone else lost their heads!

by Welly Sat Apr 12, 2014 5:59 pm

Tom Bradshaw ‏@TomBradshaw1979 4m
The Battle of Kingsholm. I've just seen a photo showing that ref Tim Wigglesworth was pelted with a bottle as he left field with stewards

by Bathman_in_London Sat Apr 12, 2014 6:00 pm

A fine for that surely, just total unsportsmanlike cheating to lie like that.

by Scrumpy Sat Apr 12, 2014 6:14 pm

Gloucester website report

Controversy reigns as penalty try snatches win for Bath

This game had so many twists and turns that no-one knew who would emerge triumphant until the very final minute, but referee Tim Wigglesworth took centre stage as multiple cards and a penalty try handed the win to Bath by 18 points to 17.

Not bitter, much! Laugh

by Welly Sat Apr 12, 2014 6:36 pm

Shedweb is up. and it not just the ref or the players getting stick.

A new thread

What do the "ball boys" actually do?
« on: Today at 06:33:49 PM »

Cos they sure as hell don't provide the ball for play! How many times Gloucester needed a quick ball and it was never provided. Then when they had a ball, another was thrown onto the pitch. Just like everything else this season... a f****ng joke!

by Scrumpy Sat Apr 12, 2014 6:49 pm

by Welly Sat Apr 12, 2014 6:56 pm

"Not blaming them, but it's indicative of the ill-preparedness at our club. We need every help we can get, 12T was screaming for a ball on a couple of occasions; and Bath had a couple of quick lineout chances because the ballboys simply sat and watched the game instead of getting to the ball first! Most professional sports are won by small margins, getting the ballboys working for the team would be a start!"

So Glous rebuilding for next season will start with the transfer of new ball boys with Nigel Davies being promoted to head Ball boy and Mark anscombe going in from the less demanding job of Glous head Coach

by **LondonTiger** Sat Apr 12, 2014 7:02 pm

Well, we were not very good. Lost count on the number of times lineout jumpers would gather the ball fine, then throw it down wildly or drop it on landing. Crane had control issues at the back of the scrum. Owen Williams struggled with kicking, passing and catching. Niki Goneva tried to do too much. Our receiving at kick offs was shambolic.

Thank the lord for Manu's power and defence. Scored two, saved two.

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

by Welly Sat Apr 12, 2014 7:04 pm

LondonTiger wrote:Well, we were not very good. Lost count on the number of times lineout jumpers would gather the ball fine, then throw it down wildly or drop it on landing. Crane had control issues at the back of the scrum. Owen Williams struggled with kicking, passing and catching. Niki Goneva tried to do too much. Our receiving at kick offs was shambolic.

Thank the lord for Manu's power and defence. Scored two, saved two.

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

A TBP win is a TBP win.

prob still some rust from the Clermont game.

How did Logo look when he went off?

Thought Balmain showed enough to warrant more game time which if Logo is out next week is a very good thing.

We missed Allen the most by the sound of it today no one took control of the game.

by ChequeredJersey Sat Apr 12, 2014 7:05 pm

Feel free not to play Allen next week

by **LondonTiger** Sat Apr 12, 2014 7:08 pm

Logo had treatment on the calf, which has been bothering him for some time, within 5 minutes of entering the fray. Matt Mullan had a very solid day.

Crowd largely muted. Sell-out crowd, but it was one of those days when you always feel the result is in no doubt (even when Wasps were leasding) but the fare is a bit average. Volume went mental just for the last 8 minutes.

by Welly Sat Apr 12, 2014 7:10 pm

ChequeredJersey wrote:Feel free not to play Allen next week

Doubt it he had a good weeks rest.

Depending on Logo injury we may be without out 1st and 2nd choice TH next week.

Well Morris and Parling played today which is nicce.

And Croft, Benjamin and Camacho are nearly back. cockers said Croft could be back before May.

by ChequeredJersey Sat Apr 12, 2014 7:12 pm

Oh no, what would it be like to be without one's 1st and 2nd choice Tightheads?! Wink

When Sinckler goes off you could play your 7th choice and do fine

by Welly Sat Apr 12, 2014 7:14 pm

Yeh but you have Marler, and Ward to of the best front rowers in the AP to cover!!!

Just a wonder when do Sinckler and Collier become out of contract.

Just wondering for no reason. (especially Sinckler been looking great so far this season).

by Welly Sat Apr 12, 2014 7:27 pm

Billy Burns just tweeted

"Sad to hear a Gloucester fan upset my mum today. Nothing nice to say don't say it. As for Hartpury, great win and a good night ahead!"

Glous not going about the best way of trying to keep they young talents at glous.

by **Ozzy3213** Sat Apr 12, 2014 7:40 pm

I didn't see the Glaws v Bath game, but am reading about the fallout. What a shambles. They have to be fined. Murphy has played tighthead for us before. I accept that he is gash there, but he's not much better at loosehead if we're being honest. He is 100% 'qualified' to play tighthead.

by Scrumpy Sat Apr 12, 2014 8:33 pm

Mate it was a shambles all round, the ref spoiled the game as a spectacle, but the team who wanted to play rugby won.

by Sgt_Pooly Sat Apr 12, 2014 8:53 pm

Scrumpy wrote:Mate it was a shambles all round, the ref spoiled the game as a spectacle, but the team who wanted to play rugby won.

The ref certainly spoilt the game, it was really strange.

I'm a bit lost at your "wanted to play rugby" comment is suggesting though??

On a side note I thought Ford was awful.

by Scrumpy Sat Apr 12, 2014 8:57 pm

Ford was awful!

What game did you watch, it wasn't one of his best but he wasn't awful! Some of his passing and vision was superb.

by Sgt_Pooly Sat Apr 12, 2014 9:01 pm

The same game you did.

His kicking from hand was dreadful, as was his goal kicking. I thought his game management was poor and his tackling sub standard. I thought he had a real stinker.

by Scrumpy Sat Apr 12, 2014 9:07 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:The same game you did.

His kicking from hand was dreadful he was average!, as was his goal kicking it was windy. I thought his game management was poor everyone's was off due to the ref blowing his whistle at every breakdown.and his tackling sub standard again he was average but better than most. I thought he had a real stinker in your opinion.

by Sgt_Pooly Sat Apr 12, 2014 9:12 pm

Of course it's my opinion.

I don't think your counter argument holds much weight. Poor goal kicking.....it was windy. Twelvetrees seemed to do ok.

by Scrumpy Sat Apr 12, 2014 9:17 pm

I think you'll find 36 missed some kicks too.

by Scrumpy Sat Apr 12, 2014 9:22 pm

I can't believe Nigel Davies thinks Garveys slightly high tackle should have been a red, it wasn't comparable to Puafisi effort!

by Sgt_Pooly Sat Apr 12, 2014 9:23 pm

Yes he did but he attempted some extremely difficult kicks, Ford's were pretty straight forward.

his tackling sub standard again he was average but better than most.

Incorrect, Ford missed the most tackles of any player on show (3 in total)

I rate Ford, I just thought he had a massive off day.

by Scrumpy Sat Apr 12, 2014 9:27 pm

He was average, but everyone was due to the ref blowing his whistle all the time, ford is never going to be a physical tackling ten!

by Sgt_Pooly Sat Apr 12, 2014 9:35 pm

Missing 3 tackles isn't average, it's poor.

I'm not suggesting he is a bruising tackling 10 but you expect an Int 10 to make his tackles at AP level.

If Ford can't deal with Tindall, Cook etc, how can he be expected to deal with Nonu, Savea?

We obviously have very differing opinions of what is average.

by **LondonTiger** Sat Apr 12, 2014 9:39 pm

Ford defended the 10 channel really well for us last season. So much so that he had the highest tackle % of any 10 in the league - with more tackles and less misses than Farrell, let alone less defensively able 10s.

However I saw earlier this season that Bath seemed to be hiding him a little in the defensive line - are they still doing that?

by nathan Sun Apr 13, 2014 8:28 am

Just been reading that Freddie Burns mum was getting abuse from the Glous fans, if that's true i'd be very embarrassed to be a Glous fan.

by kingelderfield Sun Apr 13, 2014 9:20 am

Let’s cut to the chase, Nigel Davies should be let go. This season has been an all too predictable failure and he should be first on the list to pay the price.

by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Sun Apr 13, 2014 9:25 am

Phew

Nothing like making life difficult for yersels

by yappysnap Sun Apr 13, 2014 10:41 am

Well Quins had a nice weekend anyway Smile

was pleasantly surprised by that game. Far better control by Quins in the face of a very physical and tough Sale pack.

Once we stopped putting ourselves under pressure we looked a very good side.

Oh and I think that's the best result at Sale by an away team all season.

by **LondonTiger** Sun Apr 13, 2014 1:46 pm

Scrumpy wrote:I can't believe Nigel Davies thinks Garveys slightly high tackle should have been a red, it wasn't comparable to Puafisi effort!

Only not comparable because it was not head on - which saved Garvey a bit (and the player he slammed in the side of his head with his upper arm). Slightly high is very one-eyed comment - especially as once high it is high (surely very high misses?). Garvey smacked the guy in the ear - so pretty much middle of the head.

Unlike the Guardian though - i cannot see Garvey being cited for that challenge.

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