London Irish v Edinburgh, 5th April 2015 Match Thread

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London Irish v Edinburgh

European Challenge Cup, Quarter Final

Madejski Stadium, Reading
Sunday 5th April 2015
KO: 17:45

Live on BT Sport 1

Referee Pascal Gauzere (France)
Touch Judge 1 Laurent Cardona (France)
Touch Judge 2 Tual Trainini (France)
Fourth Official Eric Gonthier (France)
TMO Eric Gonthier (France)

Citing Commissioner Eddie Walsh (Ireland)

Teams:

London Irish
15 Andrew Fenby
14 Topsy Ojo
13 Eoin Griffin
12 Eamonn Sheridan
11 Alex Lewington
10 Shane Geraghty
9 Scott Steele

1 Tom Court
2 David Paice
3 Halani Aulika
4 George Skivington (capt)
5 Nic Rouse
6 Conor Gilsenan
7 Blair Cowan
8 Tom Guest

16 Jimmy Stevens
17 Matt Parr
18 Leo Halavatau
19 Jebb Sinclair
20 Luke Narraway
21 Darren Allinson
22 Chris Noakes
23 Tom Fowlie

Edinburgh
15 Jack Cuthbert
14 Dougie Fife
13 Phil Burleigh
12 Andries Strauss
11 Tim Visser
10 Greig Tonks
9 Sam Hidalgo-Clyne

1 Alasdair Dickinson
2 Ross Ford (capt)
3 WP Nel
4 Anton Bresler
5 Ben Toolis
6 Roddy Grant
7 Hamish Watson
8 David Denton

16 Stuart McInally
17 Rory Sutherland
18 John Andress
19 Fraser McKenzie
20 Tomas Leonardi
21 Nathan Fowles
22 Tom Heathcote
23 Sam Beard

Form (last six matches):

London Irish 22-21 Newcastle
Harlequins 26-20 London Irish
London Welsh 12-50 London Irish
London Irish 6-12 Leicester
Northampton 15-9 London Irish
London Irish 13-31 Newcastle (LV)

Edinburgh 26-15 Scarlets
Treviso 8-29 Edinburgh
Cardiff 21-15 Edinburgh
Edinburgh 17-20 Ulster
Edinburgh 24-16 Ospreys
Edinburgh 38-20 Bordeaux-Begles


I expect Dickinson and Ford may return this weekend, along with Fife and Scott depending on their fitness. Edinburgh are coming off the back of a very good win against Scarlets. An interesting sub-plot for the weekend could be SHC v Scott Steele at 9. I'm told Scott Steele kept SHC out of the 9 shirt at school and Scotland age group level, which lead to SHC playing at 15, but undeniably SHC is now the form 9 available to Scotland and is having an outstanding season. I've not seen as much of Scott Steele, but from what I saw of the highlights at the weekend, he looks slightly shorter and stockier and will, no doubt, be looking to push his name into the Scotland reckoning.

[BigGee]

Great scrum from Nel, as good as a try!

[BigGee]

Fife should have caught that

[GLove39]

Worlds longest penalty advantage? Irish made 25m & it still gets brought back!?

[Radox For Men]

Fowlie is a great prospect

[A Simply Mesmeric Try]

Worlds longest penalty advantage? Irish made 25m & it still gets brought back!?

Was thinking the same thing!

[GLove39]

Squeaky bum time. I've got a weekend in edinburgh riding on this!

[George Carlin]

Wassa score?
Yours cordially, etc

[A Simply Mesmeric Try]

Squeeky bum time! Irish on Embra's line!

Irish 18 - 23 Edinburgh

90 secs to go!

[SecretFly]

18-23 to Edinburgh. But on their line

[BigGee]

Great defence from Edinburgh

[SecretFly]

don't lose it now.... just keep things unadventurous

[A Simply Mesmeric Try]

Yellow for John Andress, nel on Grant off.

Irish go over - TMO to decide everything...!

[GLove39]

Held up

[A Simply Mesmeric Try]

HELD UP! NO TRY!

EDINBURGH WIN!

[PenfroPete]

Fair play, great defence at the death !!

[GLove39]

Never in doubt...

[BigGee]

Bit lucky in the end Edinburgh, made a bit hard work of it really, but take the win and move on

[Radox For Men]

Maybe I'm saying this because I'm bitter about Irish losing but does anyone else think that if the ball is held up over the line at 80 mins the match shouldn't be ended in the same way it can't end on a penalty?

[RDW]

Holy crap - glad I didn't watch that!

[SecretFly]

won-der-ful.

Congrats Edinburgh

Though I did say no foolishness right before the madness!

[TJ]

Good game this, but don't know why there was no sanction against Visser. Took the guy in the air and around the neck ? Was it because the player was OK ?

Ref has let a bunch of marginal high tackles go - so consistent in not giving that. Both challenged for the ball and Visser got very close so no tackle in the air

[Imperialbigdave]

Hidalgo clynes house must be full of vases by now.

[TJ]

Maybe I'm saying this because I'm bitter about Irish losing but does anyone else think that if the ball is held up over the line at 80 mins the match shouldn't be ended in the same way it can't end on a penalty?

Its a scrum for ball held up - so game over same as if its a knock on. I see your point but its not what the rules say

[TJ]

Anyone know what the yellow was for? Seems a bit odd. Edinburgh player gets a yellow but its an edinburgh scrum?

[TJ]

Worlds longest penalty advantage? Irish made 25m & it still gets brought back!?

It was fair enough to me. Penalty advantage - needs to have the opportunity to score points. Not many phases.

[TJ]

REf consistent all match but another ref could have given half a dozen yellow cards

[justified sinner]

Get in there. As I said earlier in the thread I really dislike LI.

[A Simply Mesmeric Try]

Maybe I'm saying this because I'm bitter about Irish losing but does anyone else think that if the ball is held up over the line at 80 mins the match shouldn't be ended in the same way it can't end on a penalty?

That is the difference between "Try, yes or no" and "Is there any reason I cannot award the try?". The latter would mean the referee can bring back play for a penalty.

[BigGee]

It was a good job that Shane Geraty can't kick!

[InjuredYetAgain]

Get in there. As I said earlier in the thread I really dislike LI.

A tad harsh (and very unlike you, JS)
Anyway, I think we put that in the "fortunate to win" column. Apart from the first 20/30 minutes, LI were the better team and certainly more adventurous.
On another point, SHC has been in Laidlaw's company too long. Latterly, he was sauntering to rucks and a couple of times, a LI boot came through the middle to disrupt it. Just clear the effing thing!!
Finally, McInally showed more leadership in one incident than Ross Ford did when asked for/got clarification from thenref on what had happened.
Unlucky Irish fans.
Finally (I mean it this time) Andress is a car-crash looking for an accident blackspot to happen

[Heaf]

Maybe I'm saying this because I'm bitter about Irish losing but does anyone else think that if the ball is held up over the line at 80 mins the match shouldn't be ended in the same way it can't end on a penalty?

I was thinking the same thing - you couldn't see if it was grounded or held up so that's no way to end a game.

[Heaf]

Worlds longest penalty advantage? Irish made 25m & it still gets brought back!?

Was thinking the same thing!

You mean like the earlier one for Edinburgh? At least he was being consistent with that.

[IanBru]

That was awesome lads!

On the balance of the match it was deserved, but Irish certainly made me sweat a fair bit!

[justified sinner]

Get in there. As I said earlier in the thread I really dislike LI.

A tad harsh (and very unlike you, JS)
Anyway, I think we put that in the "fortunate to win" column. Apart from the first 20/30 minutes, LI were the better team and certainly more adventurous.
On another point, SHC has been in Laidlaw's company too long. Latterly, he was sauntering to rucks and a couple of times, a LI boot came through the middle to disrupt it. Just clear the effing thing!!
Finally, McInally showed more leadership in one incident than Ross Ford did when asked for/got clarification from thenref on what had happened.
Unlucky Irish fans.
Finally (I mean it this time) Andress is a car-crash looking for an accident blackspot to happen

IYA no it's not harsh LI tried to kill off London Scottish and for that I'll never forgive them. You can blame Tiark if you like for taking them into administration, but it was LI who nailed down the coffin lid.

Agree that we need to get rid of Andress.

[VinceWLB]

Anyone know what the yellow was for? Seems a bit odd.  Edinburgh player gets a yellow but its an edinburgh scrum?

I heard in from the side at the maul, although it was not obvious from the replay.

I really thought the decision to take Nel off after the scrummage of the match (season?) would cost Edinburgh the win but he didn't. Sutherland will need to improve his tackling, Dickinson came back on and saved the day for Edinburgh.
Great impact from the bench from McKenzie and McInally.

Good win.

[VinceWLB]

Maybe I'm saying this because I'm bitter about Irish losing but does anyone else think that if the ball is held up over the line at 80 mins the match shouldn't be ended in the same way it can't end on a penalty?

I was thinking the same thing - you couldn't see if it was grounded or held up so that's no way to end a game.

This is certainly a frustrating end of a match, and i agree this does seem a bit wrong imo.

[Heaf]

I think the yellow came before the phase of play that led to the scrum.

[Heaf]

And Edinburgh were maybe a bit lucky not to concede a PT after so many penalties on their line ...

[InjuredYetAgain]

Anyone know what the yellow was for? Seems a bit odd.  Edinburgh player gets a yellow but its an edinburgh scrum?

I heard in from the side at the maul, although it was not obvious from the replay.

But the game restarted with an Edinburgh scrum (which we made a right gnob of), not a penalty to LI which is what really confused me.
On the subject of scrummaging, how is it the commentators know that Tom Court bores in illegally (there are, of course, other props who do this but Tom Court was playing in this game) but the refs don't see it? Not a criticism of Tom Court - just an observation.

[Heaf]

I'd need to watch the replay but I thought the yellow was followed by a kick to the corner and line-out and from that phase there was eventually a knock on ..

[InjuredYetAgain]

I think the yellow came before the phase of play that led to the scrum.

Sorry, Heaf. I was typing when you posted - that would explain it.
A penalty try would have been harsh and would have been, if anything, for persistent offending as there wasn't really a time that LI looked certain to score a try. I can understand your frustration though as both LI and Edinburgh would/will fancy their chances of beating the Dragons

[Heaf]

Yes no disrespect to Dragons but I think you're right.

[George Carlin]

Well done to the seaweed detox wrap participants - great effort at the very death.

[InjuredYetAgain]

Right, well that is the cue for a typical and entirely predictable Scottish sporting failure then

[VinceWLB]

Anyone know what the yellow was for? Seems a bit odd.  Edinburgh player gets a yellow but its an edinburgh scrum?

I heard in from the side at the maul, although it was not obvious from the replay.

But the game restarted with an Edinburgh scrum (which we made a right gnob of), not a penalty to LI which is what really confused me.
On the subject of scrummaging, how is it the commentators know that Tom Court bores in illegally (there are, of course, other props who do this but Tom Court was playing in this game) but the refs don't see it?  Not a criticism of Tom Court - just an observation.

I thought it restarted with pen LI with a subsequent lineout drive which was amazingly well defended by McKenzie.

It happened each time the ref was on the other side of the scrum. Court is a smart guy and wasn't doing it when the ref was on his side.

[TJ]

Well done to the seaweed detox wrap participants - great effort at the very death.

Thank you. We do have to look after ourselves you know. Our crown as the best looking team in rugby is a great honour to have and the fact you soap dodgers are jealous of our good looks means nothing to me
*flicks hair and flounces*

[Heaf]

Well done to the seaweed detox wrap participants - great effort at the very death.

OK that one went over my head

[TJ]

Heaf - our scruffy friends over in the west ( Glasdgow supporters) like to mock the edinburgh team because we are so handsome and well groomed





Actually its long standing banter - Glasgow / Edinbugh rivalry.; Glasgow boys don't know what soap is. Edinburgh boys are a bit poncy according to the weegies

[funnyExiledScot]

Lovely stuff. Looking forward to the Dragons at Murrayfield.

[Heaf]

Heaf - our scruffy friends over in the west ( Glasdgow supporters) like to mock the edinburgh team because we are so handsome and well groomed





Actually its long standing banter - Glasgow / Edinbugh rivalry.;  Glasgow boys don't know what soap is.  Edinburgh boys are a bit poncy according to the weegies

Ah I see

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