England in Bangladesh and India - The Winter Tours thread

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

First topic message reminder :

A bit early, but with squads due to be announced next week thought I'd start a thread to collate all winter tours news...

Firstly it appears the Bangladesh tour will go ahead despite security concerns. I for one am glad of this, gives England a chance to acclimatise to Asian conditions against an improving Bangladesh outfit (especially as England have no planned tour matches in India)

Secondly - it appears Haseeb Hameed will be getting the nod for Bangladesh according to Nick Hoult - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2016/08/29/england-plan-to-call-up-teenage-opener-haseeb-hameed-for-banglad/

Peoples initial thoughts on that?

[Gooseberry]

I so hope the rumours about Batty are right, not least to see Goose's reaction.

Nothing yet from Goose

If you're expecting outrage over Batty vs Leach see above

[guildfordbat]

I so hope the rumours about Batty are right, not least to see Goose's reaction.

Nothing yet from Goose

If you're expecting outrage over Batty vs Leach see above

Nah, I don't really associate you with outrage. However, you need to understand that people have bought tickets expecting some more and new anti-Surrey jibes today from your goodself.

[JDizzle]

I'd expect the First Test team to look something like: Cook, Hameed, Root, Ali (rumoured he will bat 4), Bairstow, Stokes, Woakes, Rashid, Broad, Batty (as Moeen will be focusing on his batting), Anderson.

Perhaps a bit light on batting? But Ballance has hardly set the world on fire since his return. I think Hameed is nailed on to play - you'd let him go with the Lions otherwise. Whereas Duckett has served his time a bit more, and would benefit more from the experience of being on tour.

[Maine man]

I'd like to see Butler back keeping wicket. Move Bairstow up the order to replace Vince. Hameed to open. To get Rashid in the team I'd drop Ballance. My XI would be Cook, Hameed, Root, Bairstow, Stokes, Ali, Buttler, Rashid, Woakes, Broad, Anderson.

[Gooseberry]

I so hope the rumours about Batty are right, not least to see Goose's reaction.

Nothing yet from Goose

If you're expecting outrage over Batty vs Leach see above

Nah, I don't really associate you with outrage. However, you need to understand that people have bought tickets expecting some more and new anti-Surrey jibes today from your goodself.

Its the outrageous over hyping of Surrey players rather than the team or County that I like to mock.

That said the A317 at Weybridge is a disgrace.

[LivinginItaly]

My team would be
cook, hameed, Root, Ballance, Bairstow, Stokes, Ali, Woakes, Rashid, Broad, Anderson.

If batty is to play he should replace either Ali or Rashid. I don't see the point of playing 3 spinners. You are effectively saying that at least one is not good enough.

[Gooseberry]

My team would be
cook, hameed, Root, Ballance, Bairstow, Stokes, Ali, Woakes, Rashid, Broad, Anderson.

If batty is to play he should replace either Ali or Rashid. I don't see the point of playing 3 spinners. You are effectively saying that at least one is not good enough.

Or in Englands case, 3

[Jetty]

Not long now.. ODI squad leave on Thursday.
Last time we were there in 2010 we only played one spinner in two ODIs Tredwell got 1 game 10-0-52-0. Won all 3 games. I bet you this time we play Ali, Rashid and Dawson.

Cook Kieswetter Pietersen Collingwood Morgan Wright Bresnan Prior Swann Shahzad and Plunkett.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Anderson out of the Bangladesh tests injured

Beginning to fear we're seeing the end of his career rapidly approaching with these injuries now piling up

[SimonofSurrey]

Anderson out of the Bangladesh tests injured

Beginning to fear we're seeing the end of his career rapidly approaching with these injuries now piling up

C'mon Gooseberry, who gets Anderson's place: Sam or Tom Curran?

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Mark Wood now out of the tour as well with a reoccurrence of his ankle problem

Guy can't catch a break injury wise

[wisden]

Anderson being out of Bangladesh series isn't a huge blow IMO...Need him fit for India, but IMO we have enough bowling cover to cover Jimmy.... Wood being out is a bigger blow, for me particuarly in the sub-continent, his extra pace would make the difference on those flat slow pitches

[VTR]

Ball and Finn called up as replacements. Chris Jordan last seen staring forlornly at his phone waiting for it ring

[wisden]

Im happy with those guys being called up, think Finn is more likely to get the nod, but i like Ball, he's a very useful bowler

[SimonofSurrey]

All joking aside (bravo Gooseberry for not biting... , these injuries and Ball's call up put a potentially huge extra burden on the Curran brothers - combined age 39 - on the Lions Tour. It will be interesting to see how they and our other youngsters get on against not necessarily the strongest opposition, but in surroundings where the full England Team traditionally have struggled big time.

[Gooseberry]

Ill stick to gags about Willey Wood and Ball.

Wheres Plunkett in all this, im losing track.
England do have a pretty big pool of test seamers who are much of a muchness these days. Missing Anderson is a blow but Im not sure his record is the sub continent is anything special. Its the players who can force reverse swing with raw pace through the air who tend to fair better, so Ball may have a real chance to make a mark.
Finn ...just keeps getting chances.

[Jetty]

Ill stick to gags about Willey Wood and Ball.

Wheres Plunkett in all this, im losing track.
England do have a pretty big pool of test seamers who are much of a muchness these days. Missing Anderson is a blow but Im not sure his record is the sub continent is anything special. Its the players who can force reverse swing with raw pace through the air who tend to fair better, so Ball may have a real chance to make a mark.
Finn ...just keeps getting chances.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/565808.html

[Gooseberry]

Youre right, we should recall panessar
:p

[Jetty]

Youre right, we should recall panessar
:p

Batty, Ali and Rashid, who will pick up the most wickets? I am sure England will play 3 spinners. Maybe Stokes, Woakes and Broad will get more wickets in Bangladesh.

[SimonofSurrey]

'Batty, Ali and Rashid, who will pick up the most wickets?'

Batty for guile, Ali to nip the odd one out when we need it, for wickets at a cost, but...
Ansari is probably the best attacking and most threatening option. Having seen him and Batty in the flesh this season, and the other two on the telly, Ansari - in principle - seems to have the greatest variation and threat.

[SimonofSurrey]

...sorry Rashid for wickets at a cost [etc]

[alfie]

I suppose , given the enforced absence of Anderson and Wood and the plethora of allrounders in the squad , one could even include four spinners :

Cook Hameed Root Ali Stokes Bairstow Woakes Ansari Rashid Broad Batty. Seems a bit like overkill but on the other hand it doesn't look exactly short on batting ...

I think it more likely that an extra batsman will play as I would imagine three of each will be considered sufficient : in a way the loss of Anderson might make selection easier?

[LondonTiger]

Stand-in skipper Buttler guides England home in warm up game

[wisden]

both teams scoring 300 in bangladesh is a good effort, good work out as well for the side...a competitive warm up fixture, good work out for the side, and a good victory

[JDizzle]

Well, at least it doesn't look like the captaincy weighed too heavily on Buttler's batting...

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Why didn't Duckett open...

[LondonTiger]

Why didn't Duckett open...

Perhaps because:

a) He tends not to for Northants and Lions
b) He is being viewed as a genuine option in the middle(ish) order, whereas Vince is viewed as a stop gap until Hales returns.

[jimbohammers]

Because Vince is actually an opener in this form of the game.... 48 off 39 balls too

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Ball and Duckett make their debuts as England win the toss and bat

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Needless run out from Bairstow has England struggling at 62-3 after a decent start from Roy

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Duckett's wrists >>>>>

[VTR]

Good to see Stokes playing an innings of substance today - has underachieved hugely with the bat so far in his ODI career - high score of only 75 after 45 matches! Perhaps he can better that today

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Dominic Cork is an abysmal abysmal commentator

[Hammersmith harrier]

Stokes finally delivering in ODI's, 3 50's in a row now, with his talent he should be the talisman of the team.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Exceptional partnership this from Stokes and Duckett

England with a real chance to make 300+ here

[VTR]

Stokes finally delivering in ODI's, 3 50's in a row now, with his talent he should be the talisman of the team.

That's a good spot - I've just realised his best score before today was on his previous appearance. The game before that was one short of his top score at the time. So a run of scores of 69, 75, 89 and counting today

[Hammersmith harrier]

Stokes finally delivering in ODI's, 3 50's in a row now, with his talent he should be the talisman of the team.

That's a good spot - I've just realised his best score before today was on his previous appearance. The game before that was one short of his top score at the time. So  a run of scores of 69, 75, 89 and counting today

This is a guy who's blasted 259 off 198 balls in test cricket as well as 100 off 85 balls at Lords, should be doing so much better.

[JDizzle]

Credit to Bayliss/Farbrace for persisting with him at 5 despite the underwhelming record. He should never have been down at 7.

Duckett out - plenty of promise shown for a first innings, read the situation well.

Of course Buttler coming in not the worst thing, as Duckett was beginning to look shattered (he does play for Northants...), and JB is JB!

[Gooseberry]

Stokes finally delivering in ODI's, 3 50's in a row now, with his talent he should be the talisman of the team.

That's a good spot - I've just realised his best score before today was on his previous appearance. The game before that was one short of his top score at the time. So  a run of scores of 69, 75, 89 and counting today

This is a guy who's blasted 259 off 198 balls in test cricket as well as 100 off 85 balls at Lords, should be doing so much better.

Its easy to forget he was pretty poor in all forms till fairly recently

[VTR]

Buttler 50 off 33 balls is helping here - what a fantastic ODI player he has become

[Gooseberry]

That Buttler lad has potential, they should get him in the England side.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Buttler 50 off 33 balls is helping here - what a fantastic ODI player he has become

Utterly ridiculous player - that six to bring up his fifty is verging on not being fair.

[VTR]

Indeed - what a nightmare he must be to bowl at, he can hit pretty much anything for 6

[Mad for Chelsea]

Stokes hopefully beginning to show the value in persisting with players if you think they will succeed at this level, even if their initial returns are underwhelming. You could make the same case for Hales (in ODIs), Roy, and indeed Buttler himself whose initial forays into limited overs cricket were pretty poor.

Speaking of Buttler, he really is a special player. The ability to somehow flick a switch and then just hit everything to the boundary is remarkable. Fine knock from him yet again here.

[VTR]

I think all Buttler needs now is a cheesy nickname like "The Big Show" and we've got the complete player

[Mad for Chelsea]

Good last over from Shakib, though 309 feels like a good score on this pitch. It may quicken up under lights which should make the chase easier, but Stokes, Duckett and Buttler have done well here.

[Gooseberry]

Stokes hopefully beginning to show the value in persisting with players if you think they will succeed at this level, even if their initial returns are underwhelming. You could make the same case for Hales (in ODIs), Roy, and indeed Buttler himself whose initial forays into limited overs cricket were pretty poor.

Speaking of Buttler, he really is a special player. The ability to somehow flick a switch and then just hit everything to the boundary is remarkable. Fine knock from him yet again here.

Add Woakes to that too who had a number of false starts to his international career.


Damp squib last over there but still Buttlers blast has turned this into a solid target.

[msp83]

Just catching on to the series. Good total on the board from England. Stokes with his first ODI hundred, runs for Buttler and young Ducket. Bit surprised that Ducket didn't open. If he has been an opener by nature and is likely to open even in tests and is someone who can go after the bowling from the outset, why did he bat a position down for someone like Vince who is not an all-format opener in any case?

[msp83]

Ball striking twice for England as Bangladesh are losing their way in the chase....... At 82-2, they need a partnership, and they need to keep up with the RRR too.

[Mad for Chelsea]

I thought Duckett batted 3 or 4 for Northants generally? Certainly in the 50 over game he has been. I think England see him as a middle-order player, more a replacement for Vince in tests than for Hales (suspect Hameed will be given the opener slot). From what I've seen it's a sensible call, his strength seems to be in working the ball around against the spinners, in the Root/Taylor mode.

Good work from Willey just then to get rid of Shabbir.

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