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Post by George Carlin on Mon 06 Feb 2017, 11:56 am

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FRANCE v SCOTLAND
12 February 2017
16:00 CET (UTC+1)
Stade de France, Paris

Referee: Jaco Peyper (RSA)
Touch judges: John Lacey (IRE) & Luke Pearce (ENG)
TMO: Peter Fitzgibbon (IRE)

Live on [BBC, RTE, DMAX, FR2, ITV (H)]

A. Head to Head

90 Played 90
52 Won 35
3 Drawn 3
35 Lost 52
1,280 Points 1,102

B. Recent Form

13 March 2016
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
29 – 18 to Scotland

5 September 2015
Stade de France, Saint-Denis
19 – 16 to France

7 February 2015
Stade de France, Saint-Denis
15 – 8 to France

8 March 2014
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
17 – 19 to France

16 March 2013
Stade de France, Saint-Denis
23 – 16 to France

26 February 2012
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
17 – 23 to France

C. Teams

FRANCE 
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15-Scott Spedding; 14-Noa Nakaitaci, 13-Remi Lamerat, 12-Gael Fickou, 11-Virimi Vakatawa; 10-Camille Lopez, 9-Baptiste Serin; 1-Cyril Baille, 2-Guilhem Guirado, 3-Uini Atonio, (captain), 4-Sebastien Vahaamahina, 5-Yoann Maestri, 6-Loann Goujon, 7-Kevin Gourdon, 8-Louis Picamoles,

Replacements: 16-Christopher Tolofua, 17-Rabah Slimani, 18-Xavier Chiocci, 19-Julian Le Devedec, 20-Damien Chouly, 21-Maxime Machenaud, 22-Jean-Marc Doussain, 23-Yoann Huget

SCOTLAND
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15-Stuart Hogg, 14-Sean Maitland, 13-Tommy Seymour, 12-Huw Jones, 11-Alex Dunbar, 10-Finn Russell, 9-Greig Laidlaw; 1-Allan Dell, 2-Fraser Brown, 3-Zander Fagerson, 4-Richie Gray, 5-Jonny Gray, 6-John Barclay, 7-Josh Strauss, 8- Hamish Watson.

Replacements: 16-Ross Ford, 17-Gordon Reid, 18-Simon Berghan, 19-Tim Swinson, 20-John Hardie, 21-Alistair Price, 22-Duncan Weir, 23-Mark Bennett.


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Post by majesticimperialman on Sat 11 Feb 2017, 9:32 pm

If Scotland win tomorrow, if, then it could come down to England v Scotland for the Grand Slam.

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Post by Shifty on Sat 11 Feb 2017, 9:49 pm

France actually did really well in England.
I'd not underestimate them.  Though I'm hoping it's not another year when Scotland show a bit of promise then fall flat on their faces.  As that has basically been happening for the last decade.

Every year we seem to swing in roundabouts, Scotland lose but score loads of points, but concede even more.  Or Scotland lose but concede few points, and but score even fewer.  

So Scotland tighten up their game, but can't score tries, or open up but start to concede tries.  Basically the coach can say were making "progress" in attack, or were making "progress" in defense.

I said on another thread I think the Wales game is Scotland's "big" one this year.

Wales have won 13 of the last 14, and Scotland haven't beaten Wales since Gareth Jenkins was Wales coach!

Yes it's true 10th of Feb 2007, was the last Welsh loss to Scotland.  Or put it another way only Ross ford in that entire Scottish squad has ever won a game against Wales! While only Alun Wyn-Jones has lost to Scotland.

While very few of those games have been close in any sense of the word.
So looking at it over the recent years, basically Scotland finish last or 5th depending on the Italy result. Last year in 2016, they did actually smash France, and Italy, and lost narrowly to Wales.

So in 2017 they beat Ireland so far, though to be fair Ireland with Johnny Sexton are a much better team. If they can take out Wales then maybe, just maybe were back to the good old days of a strong Scotland, after MANY years of false dawns and disappointments.  Now were lost it wouldn;t be the end of the world if we did lose, as having this kind of run over an opponent who is supposed to be a 50/50 game is plain crazy.
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Post by Anglobraveheart on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 12:42 am

Shifty, some good points raised.
But a little skewed from you to say the last 10 years were not close. 3 years ago Wales triumphed against 14 players. I was there, and the match was killed by a weak ref being swayed by the Cardiff faithful. The honest Welsh fans around me agreed it should have been a yellow and not a red. But game and spectacle were over too early.
The last two years have had little in them. And as I recall, the refereeing reluctance to award yellow cards towards the end of one game for persistant Welsh infringements robbed us of scoring at the end, and in the last game, blindness to forward passes robbed us again.
Wales have been very fortunate the last two years to come away with victories, and if you were to be realistic, you would admit this.
But we don't play you for 2 weeks yet, and it's premature to talk of the game prior to our encounter with France. Our world revolves around our immediate fixtures.
Wait your turn, and allow us to have our battle with les bleus first, then we'll see where we both lie.
I'd love to pick up tickets for 25 Feb if I can, as I feel recent history will be overturned. But, first things first. We have an away game to deal with.....

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Post by TheMildlyFranticLlama on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 10:46 am

Nerves are starting to kick in! I hope Picamoles spends a very long day smothered in a big Gray blanket, because he's in serious form at the moment and is a massive danger.

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Post by jimbopip on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 11:37 am

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Just saying mind.

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Post by maestegmafia on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 12:01 pm

Very excited for this game this afternoon. Hoping it will be full of fireworks

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Post by GLove39 on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 1:23 pm

pre game nerves kicking in!

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Post by RDW on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 1:24 pm

NERVOUS

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Post by TJ on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 1:30 pm

Aye - Poopie it here an aw!

edit : That doesn't come out right at all

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Post by Shifty on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 1:54 pm

Anglobraveheart wrote:Shifty, some good points raised.
But a little skewed from you to say the last 10 years were not close. 3 years ago Wales triumphed against 14 players. I was there, and the match was killed by a weak ref being swayed by the Cardiff faithful. The honest Welsh fans around me agreed it should have been a yellow and not a red. But game and spectacle were over too early.
The last two years have had little in them. And as I recall, the refereeing reluctance to award yellow cards towards the end of one game for persistant Welsh infringements robbed us of scoring at the end, and in the last game, blindness to forward passes robbed us again.
Wales have been very fortunate the last two years to come away with victories, and if you were to be realistic, you would admit this.
But we don't play you for 2 weeks yet, and it's premature to talk of the game prior to our encounter with France. Our world revolves around our immediate fixtures.
Wait your turn, and allow us to have our battle with les bleus first, then we'll see where we both lie.
I'd love to pick up tickets for 25 Feb if I can, as I feel recent history will be overturned. But, first things first. We have an away game to deal with.....

Are you referring to the Stuart Hogg sending off?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mQfun_HMLs

If that's not a red card I don't know what is, and to be fair he was lucky to escape a knee into the ribs of Liam Williams a minute or so earlier, when Liam scored a try. If Liam had been unsporting and rolled around injured then Hogg might of been off there and then.

I think Scotland played well last year, but lets not forget Taylor's try at the end of the game giving a final score of 27-23, if not for the try at the end it would of been 27-16.

Even going back to 2015, the same thing happened, the final score was 26-23, and Jon Welsh scored a last minute try which Finn Russell converted, so it could easily of been 26-16.

For me scoring a last minute try to make the scoreline look better than it really is, doesn't mean that Wales were not the better team in the game.
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Post by eirebilly on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 1:58 pm

This game is one that I have been looking forward to for a the last week after Scotland beat Ireland. This will be a true test as to where they are. Away in France with them using the battering rams will test Scotland greatly, think Scotland may win this. G'luk lads thumbsup
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Post by jimbopip on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 2:21 pm

No time now for theorizing or pontificating.

Mon Scotland Braveheart

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Post by TheMildlyFranticLlama on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 2:26 pm

Just put money on Hogg to score a try, so I'd imagine it'll be Seymour who picks up any Scottish tries today!

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Post by tigertattie on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 3:05 pm

I'm knackered already
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Post by eirebilly on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 3:05 pm

Fantastic start thumbsup Hon Scotland.
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Post by RiscaGame on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 3:10 pm

Exciting start. I'd have blown a gasket by now and it's only 8 mins in.

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Post by RDW on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 3:14 pm

France have been off side almost every play

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Post by RDW on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 3:16 pm

France playing a bit like headless chicken - hopefully they'll tire themselves out

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Post by TheMildlyFranticLlama on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 3:19 pm

TheMildlyFranticLlama wrote:Just put money on Hogg to score a try, so I'd imagine it'll be Seymour who picks up any Scottish tries today!

Woohoo!!

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Post by eirebilly on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 3:20 pm

Hogg is simply brilliant on his feet.
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Post by eirebilly on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 3:22 pm

Re-starts, the bain of Scottish rugby.
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Post by Rory_Gallagher on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 3:25 pm

Scotland's defence not nearly as strong this week - does that show that France are much more dangerous with ball in hand than Ireland, or that the Scots are just not clicking today?

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Post by RDW on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 3:26 pm

Rory_Gallagher wrote:Scotland's defence not nearly as strong this week - does that show that France are much more dangerous with ball in hand than Ireland, or that the Scots are just not clicking today?

I think it is because France have lots of big strong runners!

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Post by tigertattie on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 3:27 pm

What happened to laidlaw?
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Post by RDW on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 3:29 pm

Looks like we're going to find out how we get on without Laidlaw!

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Post by TheMildlyFranticLlama on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 3:30 pm

FFS Price!

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Post by Heaf on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 3:30 pm

tigertattie wrote:What happened to laidlaw?

Looked like he got tangled up with another player's legs ...

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Post by RDW on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 3:31 pm

That's a dreadful decision - pathetic

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Post by Rory_Gallagher on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 3:31 pm

So stupid.

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Post by tigertattie on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 3:31 pm

So only France are allowed to shove players?
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Post by Scottrf on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 3:31 pm

That offload from Picamole was lovely.

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Post by Rory_Gallagher on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 3:32 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:That's a dreadful decision - pathetic

I think that was fair. Quite the shove for something rather innocuous.

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Post by nathan on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 3:32 pm

stupid play there

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Post by brennomac on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 3:32 pm

Jeez why does an excellent player like Hogg have to behave like a total pr1ck, lucky not to get a card

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Post by tigertattie on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 3:33 pm

Call me all the names under the sun but Russell's kicking is awful. Do we need to roll out meatball ?
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Post by Scottrf on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 3:35 pm

French throwing it around well.

P.s. Hogg didn't stop that try. Weak defence, drop him.


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Post by SecretFly on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 3:35 pm

brennomac wrote:Jeez why does an excellent  player like Hogg have to behave like a total pr1ck, lucky not to get a card

High spirits. Snappy players, ... snappy attitudes.

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Post by tigertattie on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 3:36 pm

Both teams score when keeping the ball in hand and not kicking the ball. Coincidence?
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Post by RDW on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 3:36 pm

Poor defence from Hogg for that try - he had to hit him

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Post by nathan on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 3:36 pm

awful attempted tackle by Hogg there. I can see a Scottish player in the bin soon

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Post by rumpelstiltskindoh on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 3:36 pm

All about the quick ball from the ruck

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Post by TheMildlyFranticLlama on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 3:37 pm

tigertattie wrote:Call me all the names under the sun but Russell's kicking is awful. Do we need to roll out meatball ?

No

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Post by eirebilly on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 3:37 pm

I am not one to have a go at ref's but France are certainly getting the rub of the green with the decisions...
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Post by True Raven on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 3:38 pm

Big decision gatland has to make.  Does Hoggs attacking brilliance outweigh his defensive frailties? That was a shocking attempt on fickou, savea would have a field day


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Post by nathan on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 3:39 pm

wire, but Scotland are giving away stupid penalties

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Post by tigertattie on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 3:39 pm

Do players not know that when you're so close to the try line, long flat passes can be easily picked off?
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Post by Scottrf on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 3:43 pm

eirebilly wrote:I am not one to have a go at ref's but France are certainly getting the rub of the green with the decisions...
Well that's three points the other way. Russell lucky IMO, never looked like getting the ball.

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Post by Guest on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 3:44 pm

What's under Russell's head bandage? Is it a gps tracker or something?!

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Post by Heaf on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 3:44 pm

tigertattie wrote:Do players not know that when you're so close to the try line, long flat passes can be easily picked off?

You would think so - nearly cost England yesterday too ...

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Post by RDW on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 3:45 pm

I'll definitely take that halftime score!

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