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Post by LondonTiger on Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:09 am

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When:
Saturday 22nd April - 15:15

Where:
Aviva stadium, Lansdowne Rd, Dublin 4, Ireland




TV:
BT Sport / beIN Sports / Sky Italia

Officials:
Referee - Romain Poite (France)
Touch Judge 1 - Pascal Gauzere (France)
Touch Judge 2 - Alexandre Ruiz (France)
TMO - Philippe Bonhoure (France)
Citing Commissioner - Jeff Mark (Wales)


Previous Meetings:
17/1/15 Saracens 33 - 10 Munster Rugby
24/10/14 Munster Rugby 14 - 3 Saracens
16/12/12 Saracens 19 - 13 Munster Rugby




MUNSTER



ERC Form: Played 7, Won 6, Lost 1
Pro12 Form: Played 20, Won 17, Lost 3

Lineup:

15 Simon Zebo
14 Andrew Conway
13 Jaco Taute
12 Rory Scannell
11 Keith Earls
10 Tyler Bleyendaal
9 Duncan Williams
1 Dave Kilcoyne
2 Niall Scannell
3 John Ryan
4 Donnacha Ryan
5 Billy Holland
6 Peter O'Mahony (capt)
7 Tommy O'Donnell
8 CJ Stander

16 Rhys Marshall
17 James Cronin
18 Stephen Archer
19 Dave O'Callaghan
20 Jean Deysel
21 Ian Keatley
22 Francis Saili
23 Darren Sweetnam


Saracens



ERC Form: Played 7, Won 6, Drawn 1
AP Form: Played 20, Won 15, Drawn 1, Lost 4

Lineup:

15 Alex Goode (226)
14 Chris Ashton (114)
13 Marcelo Bosch (93)
12 Brad Barritt (c) (193)
11 Sean Maitland (19)
10 Owen Farrell (148)
9 Richard Wigglesworth (182)

1 Mako Vunipola (116)
2 Jamie George (168)
3 Vincent Koch (11)
4 Maro Itoje (71)
5 George Kruis (132)
6 Michael Rhodes (53)
7 Jackson Wray (169)
8 Billy Vunipola (74)

16 Schalk Brits (198)
17 Titi Lamositele (42)
18 Petrus Du Plessis (154)
19 Jim Hamilton (71)
20 Schalk Burger (21)
21 Ben Spencer (97)
22 Alex Lozowski (27)
23 Chris Wyles (222)


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Re: Munster vs Saracens - European Rugby Champions Cup: Semi Final 1

Post by eirebilly on Sat Apr 22, 2017 4:37 pm

Sarries simply too good, easily the best in Europe.
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Post by nathan on Sat Apr 22, 2017 4:40 pm

POM is just a blood injury which is good

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Post by Scottrf on Sat Apr 22, 2017 4:40 pm

Has Itoje tackled below the shoulders in his career?
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Re: Munster vs Saracens - European Rugby Champions Cup: Semi Final 1

Post by eirebilly on Sat Apr 22, 2017 4:40 pm

nathan wrote:POM is just a blood injury which is good

Really? He looked out to me...
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Post by RiscaGame on Sat Apr 22, 2017 4:40 pm

Hersh trolling again

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Re: Munster vs Saracens - European Rugby Champions Cup: Semi Final 1

Post by Pot Hale on Sat Apr 22, 2017 4:42 pm

Saracens players didn't stand still for the penalty. Should have been retaken.
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Post by Rory_Gallagher on Sat Apr 22, 2017 4:43 pm

eirebilly wrote:
nathan wrote:POM is just a blood injury which is good

Really? He looked out to me...

I thought so too.

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Post by Rory_Gallagher on Sat Apr 22, 2017 4:43 pm

Munster halfbacks are not playing well.

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Post by Pot Hale on Sat Apr 22, 2017 4:44 pm

Scottrf wrote:Has Itoje tackled below the shoulders in his career?

I've noticed that. Mightn't get away with it so easily on Lions tour.
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Post by eirebilly on Sat Apr 22, 2017 4:45 pm

Itoje is a dirty player at times, kind of like that. Bit of a throwback to the old ways Very Happy
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Post by LeinsterFan4life on Sat Apr 22, 2017 4:45 pm

Munster don't want the ball. Strange performance

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Re: Munster vs Saracens - European Rugby Champions Cup: Semi Final 1

Post by nathan on Sat Apr 22, 2017 4:46 pm

Rory_Gallagher wrote:
eirebilly wrote:
nathan wrote:POM is just a blood injury which is good

Really? He looked out to me...

I thought so too.

It's was mentioned by the commentator but I'm thinking he as wrong now

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Post by nathan on Sat Apr 22, 2017 4:47 pm

eirebilly wrote:Itoje is a dirty player at times, kind of like that. Bit of a throwback to the old ways Very Happy

Think that's a bit harsh, don't think any of them were intentional

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Post by Rory_Gallagher on Sat Apr 22, 2017 4:48 pm

He describes himself as a liberal feminist, of course he fights dirty.

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Post by eirebilly on Sat Apr 22, 2017 4:49 pm

nathan wrote:
eirebilly wrote:Itoje is a dirty player at times, kind of like that. Bit of a throwback to the old ways Very Happy

Think that's a bit harsh, don't think any of them were  intentional

Not harsh at all, I like the dark arts of rugby. If you can do it and get away with it then fair fecks to you, Munster used to be full of those sorts of players thumbsup
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Post by Rory_Gallagher on Sat Apr 22, 2017 4:51 pm

Holland isn't a very good captain.

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Post by TightHEAD on Sat Apr 22, 2017 4:54 pm

Sarries have it in the bag when the opposition star taking long range drop kicks
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Post by Rory_Gallagher on Sat Apr 22, 2017 4:54 pm

To me, that drop goal was a sign of defeat.

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Post by eirebilly on Sat Apr 22, 2017 4:55 pm

Clinical, simply clinical.

Massive defence but excellent in attack, a real complete unit are this Sarries team clap
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Post by Scottrf on Sat Apr 22, 2017 4:55 pm

That first half won it. Come out ahead when being beat and it's gonna swing.
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Post by TightHEAD on Sat Apr 22, 2017 4:55 pm

Job done, unlucky Munstr it was a brave effort in such a difficult season. Full respect to you
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Post by LeinsterFan4life on Sat Apr 22, 2017 4:57 pm

It would have been a travesty if Munster won that. That was the definition on anti rugby. Disgraceful stuff. Congrats sarries well played

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Post by clivemcl on Sat Apr 22, 2017 4:58 pm

since when have we been allowed to play the ball on the ground? Wyles was on his knees when the ball found it's way into his hands. Headscratch

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Post by Rory_Gallagher on Sat Apr 22, 2017 4:59 pm

It's a good thing Leinster exist. All other Irish teams (including the national team) play the same way. Kick the ball, win the territory and possession battle, look clueless without the ball in hand. It's very frustrating to watch.

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Post by eirebilly on Sat Apr 22, 2017 4:59 pm

LeinsterFan4life wrote:It would have been a travesty if Munster won that. That was the definition on anti rugby. Disgraceful stuff. Congrats sarries well played

Want to elaborate on that? How is it anti rugby when playing a side that give you zero room to move? For me, it has been an excellent Sarries display.
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Post by Rugby Fan on Sat Apr 22, 2017 5:01 pm

Any thoughts on MOTM?

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Post by Golden on Sat Apr 22, 2017 5:01 pm

Ah come on go for the try the game is already over

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Post by TightHEAD on Sat Apr 22, 2017 5:02 pm

Sarries make defence enjoyable to watch for 80mins
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Post by LeinsterFan4life on Sat Apr 22, 2017 5:03 pm

eirebilly wrote:
LeinsterFan4life wrote:It would have been a travesty if Munster won that. That was the definition on anti rugby. Disgraceful stuff. Congrats sarries well played

Want to elaborate on that? How is it anti rugby when playing a side that give you zero room to move? For me, it has been an excellent Sarries display.
Do I really need to elaborate? How's about taking a drop goal when you're 13 points down with 10 minutes to play? Or kicking the ball across the field every time you're in the 22?

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Post by TightHEAD on Sat Apr 22, 2017 5:04 pm

BOD gives a prop Motm......? Wink
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Post by exile jack on Sat Apr 22, 2017 5:04 pm

The Munster 9 and 10 having nightmare games and ol' Rassie doing his coaching credentials no favours.Very disappointed with the Munstermen except Zebo and POM.All down to Leinster now.

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Post by Golden on Sat Apr 22, 2017 5:06 pm

LeinsterFan4life wrote:
eirebilly wrote:
LeinsterFan4life wrote:It would have been a travesty if Munster won that. That was the definition on anti rugby. Disgraceful stuff. Congrats sarries well played

Want to elaborate on that? How is it anti rugby when playing a side that give you zero room to move? For me, it has been an excellent Sarries display.
Do  I really need to elaborate? How's about taking a drop goal when you're 13 points down with 10 minutes to play? Or kicking the ball across the field every time you're in the 22?

That was like raising a white flag. They had had absolutely no idea how to get through the sarries defence

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Post by TightHEAD on Sat Apr 22, 2017 5:06 pm

Few do
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Post by eirebilly on Sat Apr 22, 2017 5:07 pm

LeinsterFan4life wrote:
eirebilly wrote:
LeinsterFan4life wrote:It would have been a travesty if Munster won that. That was the definition on anti rugby. Disgraceful stuff. Congrats sarries well played

Want to elaborate on that? How is it anti rugby when playing a side that give you zero room to move? For me, it has been an excellent Sarries display.
Do  I really need to elaborate? How's about taking a drop goal when you're 13 points down with 10 minutes to play? Or kicking the ball across the field every time you're in the 22?

It was a tactic to try and spread the Sarries defence, unfortunately the Sarries defence is and has been today, amazing. The DG attempt was because Munster had been driven back a full 25mtrs by the defence and had no real other option as they were continuing to go back at a rate of knots. Points on the board may have given Munster some momentum... Not anti rugby that is disgraceful, just being beaten by a superior team...

At least CJ gets a try.
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Post by Golden on Sat Apr 22, 2017 5:07 pm

TightHEAD wrote:Few do

Too true. They're a phenomenal team. Still hoping they don't win again though

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Post by eirebilly on Sat Apr 22, 2017 5:08 pm

Well done Sarries and their fans, great win for you today clap

Even though there are some terrible Leinster posters, I will still support them tomorrow thumbsup
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Post by LeinsterFan4life on Sat Apr 22, 2017 5:12 pm

eirebilly wrote:Well done Sarries and their fans, great win for you today clap

Even though there are some terrible Leinster posters, I will still support them tomorrow thumbsup
I know emotions are running high but stop talking cr@p. I was supporting Munster as much as anyone but that was awful to watch and it was anti rugby. Munster didn't want the ball! Sarries played very well but that was not the Munster we were watching all season

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Post by eirebilly on Sat Apr 22, 2017 5:16 pm

LeinsterFan4life wrote:
eirebilly wrote:Well done Sarries and their fans, great win for you today clap

Even though there are some terrible Leinster posters, I will still support them tomorrow thumbsup
I know emotions are running high but stop talking cr@p. I was supporting Munster as much as anyone but that was awful to watch and it was anti rugby. Munster didn't want the ball! Sarries played very well but that was not the Munster we were watching all season

Not cr@p LF4F, I just feel that it was an outstanding performance from Sarries that threw Munster completely off their game. No way anti rugby from Munster, simply out classed by a better side.

Some people like to give credit where its due and others find reasons for negativity...
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Post by eirebilly on Sat Apr 22, 2017 5:17 pm

If any 9 gets injured for the Lions then surely Wigglesworth is the next in line. Another excellent performance from him.
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Post by Fuzzy Dunlop on Sat Apr 22, 2017 5:20 pm

Scoreline was a fair reflection of the gulf in quality. Nice to see the English players doing so well but I've always admired Munster and would've loved to see them make it to the final.

Unlucky Billy, go sink a few and be happy that your boys are heading in the right direction.

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Post by LeinsterFan4life on Sat Apr 22, 2017 5:20 pm

Anyway it's good to have Munster back at the top table of Europe. Saracens are a bloody good team and they could really rack up a few European trophies.

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Post by eirebilly on Sat Apr 22, 2017 5:23 pm

Fuzzy Dunlop wrote:Scoreline was a fair reflection of the gulf in quality. Nice to see the English players doing so well but I've always admired Munster  and would've loved to see them make it to the final.

Unlucky Billy, go sink a few and be happy that your boys are heading in the right direction.

Always felt it was a year too soon for Munster but am dead proud of how far they went. Will certainly sink a few tonight, cheers bud thumbsup
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Post by LondonTiger on Sat Apr 22, 2017 5:30 pm

From what I have seen this season, Muster play a very similar game to Saracens - and when they are the stronger side can steamroller teams. However when a team can stand up to them (like Sarries of a few years ago) they can struggle to find space and break them down. Sarries just had too much strength across the entire pitch and despite the passion of the crowd driving Munster on, Sarries were close to guaranteed to pull away by 60 minutes.

Harsh to me to say that Munster played anti-rugby. They did the best they could and had they suddenly tried to play like Glasgow (without the experience of that style) they would have been absolutely pummelled.

Munster are too similar in style to Sarries, but just a smidge less able at it, to have ever won that game any more than 10-20% of the time. Come the final Leinster will be a real threat as they can play a very accurate passing game, and could dominate the breakdown. Clermont however will probably try to outmuscle Sarries as they did a few years ago. Sarries though will be too strong for those tactics.

After the woes of last season, Munster have had an excellent European season and their fans shoudl be proud of their side.

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Post by EST on Sat Apr 22, 2017 5:37 pm

Sarries really are some team, it's quite annoying watching them cheer the smallest thing (turnover/knock-on by the opposing team, etc), but they are an all court team who have developed multiple styles and ways to win, and kept the hunger and togetherness through successive seasons - very impressive indeed.

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Post by Pot Hale on Sat Apr 22, 2017 5:42 pm

Well done Sarassasins. They truly kill teams off.

Wonder if this defeat will puncture Munster's league season now? The PRO12 needs to remain their target - hopefully they'll have Murray back for that. He gives them another edge.
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Post by Pot Hale on Sat Apr 22, 2017 5:48 pm

Clermont v Leinster or Tipp v Galway in the final tomorrow? Difficult one for Munster fans. Smile
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Post by Rory_Gallagher on Sat Apr 22, 2017 5:52 pm

Pot Hale wrote:Well done Sarassasins.   They truly kill teams off.  

Wonder if this defeat will puncture Munster's league season now?  The PRO12 needs to remain their target - hopefully they'll have Murray back for that.  He gives them another edge.

I have a feeling we won't see Murray for the rest of the season.

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Post by Recwatcher16 on Sat Apr 22, 2017 7:21 pm

Don't think the scoreline reflected the tight game but if the history of the euro semi's and finals show anything it is that you have to have a Test standard (and preferably current) flyhalf. Saracens had one and Munster didn't and that was probably the difference today.

Saracens took a Bath side apart in the second half a couple of weeks ago (which included Louw & Faletau) and with all their players fit Saracens are an extremely difficult outfit to gain parity with.
It will be interesting to see if this is a peak or whether it can be maintained - their age profile remains good and their academy is certainly churning out some future talent.

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Post by EST on Sat Apr 22, 2017 7:23 pm

I think Rhoades is a vital cog in the Sarries machine, he dominated Stander on a couple of occasions.

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Post by Exiledinborders on Sat Apr 22, 2017 8:27 pm

Sarries or the Lions without any Sarries. Who would win? They are not my team but personally I would put my money on Sarries.

Will Michael Rhodes qualify for England before they change the qualification rules?

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