British & Irish Lions Squad 2017

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Scottrf wrote:Lawes was better than AWJ every week in the 6 Nations and isn't injured yet he's the strange call

AWJ is a leader and well respected by his peers as well as being a former winning Lions test captain.

Lions players aren't just based on how well they did in the six nations, they are picked on how well the coaches think they will gel into the squad.

You need leaders on and off the pitch.

Was he dropped if he was banned guns. Not for me.

What would you do rory if someone fish hooked you?

No 7&1/2 wrote:What would you do rory if someone fish hooked you?

I would end the movie at that point:

Rory_Gallagher wrote:

GunsGermsV2 wrote:

aucklandlaurie wrote:

Cyril wrote:

GunsGermsV2 wrote:

Scottrf wrote:

GunsGermsV2 wrote:He isnt an angel at all in international rugby. He has been cited for biting. Club rugby suspensions impact on international games too so your point is fairly irrelevant especially given that he missed the last Lions tour due to a club rugby suspension. I dont blame the management for not trusting him.

I'd probably bit if getting fishhooked.

If you believe that Hartley was being "fish hooked" by a player with one of the cleanest records in rugby you will believe anything. Very gullible.

The Irish tend to have good legal teams and it helps that most rugby administration is in Dublin.

They're not afraid to grease the wheel of justice either.

 Its a wonder the Irish dont go  for a sport like yachting more, the process in yachting is that you hold the competition then you go and have a court case to see who won, the Irish would love it.

Coming from a Kiwi whose rugby team lawyer up and deny everything as a default stance on literally everything. Wonderful irony.

Aucklandlaurie is still recovering from his humiliation after one of his players were cited after the Ireland game. This is after his total assurance that no citing would come, with a nice sprinkle of ad hominem attacks, which made him look utterly ridiculous.

 Rory, may I introduce you to reality.

 Reality being, that after losing, the outcry from Ireland was deafening of those terrible brutish,thuggish All Blacks, after the All Blacks had just put on the best defensive display we had seen in International rugby for a number of years. Why would the Irish do this? especially after only a fortnight prior they had enjoyed the most notable victory of their rugby history.

 Also reality being: One New Zealand player was banned for one week, which shows it wasnt the crime of the century, the other citing resulted in an acquittal as the allegations were completely groundless.

 Rory, might I respectfully suggest to you that you need to learn how conduct yourself properly not only in victory, but also in defeat.

From a Kiwi! Food poisoning anyone?

aucklandlaurie wrote:

Rory_Gallagher wrote:

GunsGermsV2 wrote:

aucklandlaurie wrote:

Cyril wrote:

GunsGermsV2 wrote:

Scottrf wrote:

GunsGermsV2 wrote:He isnt an angel at all in international rugby. He has been cited for biting. Club rugby suspensions impact on international games too so your point is fairly irrelevant especially given that he missed the last Lions tour due to a club rugby suspension. I dont blame the management for not trusting him.

I'd probably bit if getting fishhooked.

If you believe that Hartley was being "fish hooked" by a player with one of the cleanest records in rugby you will believe anything. Very gullible.

The Irish tend to have good legal teams and it helps that most rugby administration is in Dublin.

They're not afraid to grease the wheel of justice either.

 Its a wonder the Irish dont go  for a sport like yachting more, the process in yachting is that you hold the competition then you go and have a court case to see who won, the Irish would love it.

Coming from a Kiwi whose rugby team lawyer up and deny everything as a default stance on literally everything. Wonderful irony.

Aucklandlaurie is still recovering from his humiliation after one of his players were cited after the Ireland game. This is after his total assurance that no citing would come, with a nice sprinkle of ad hominem attacks, which made him look utterly ridiculous.

 Rory, may I introduce you to reality.

 Reality being, that after losing, the outcry from Ireland was deafening of those terrible brutish,thuggish All Blacks, after the All Blacks had just put on the best defensive display we had seen in International rugby for a number of years. Why would the Irish do this? especially after only a fortnight prior they had enjoyed the most notable victory of their rugby history.

 Also reality being: One New Zealand player was banned for one week, which shows it wasnt the crime of the century, the other citing resulted in an acquittal as the allegations were completely groundless.

 Rory, might I respectfully suggest to you that you need to learn how conduct yourself properly not only in victory, but also in defeat.

Stop the world i want to get off. Signs of humility and hypocrisy from a Kiwi. More shocking revelations!!!

aucklandlaurie wrote:

Rory_Gallagher wrote:

GunsGermsV2 wrote:

aucklandlaurie wrote:

Cyril wrote:

GunsGermsV2 wrote:

Scottrf wrote:

GunsGermsV2 wrote:He isnt an angel at all in international rugby. He has been cited for biting. Club rugby suspensions impact on international games too so your point is fairly irrelevant especially given that he missed the last Lions tour due to a club rugby suspension. I dont blame the management for not trusting him.

I'd probably bit if getting fishhooked.

If you believe that Hartley was being "fish hooked" by a player with one of the cleanest records in rugby you will believe anything. Very gullible.

The Irish tend to have good legal teams and it helps that most rugby administration is in Dublin.

They're not afraid to grease the wheel of justice either.

 Its a wonder the Irish dont go  for a sport like yachting more, the process in yachting is that you hold the competition then you go and have a court case to see who won, the Irish would love it.

Coming from a Kiwi whose rugby team lawyer up and deny everything as a default stance on literally everything. Wonderful irony.

Aucklandlaurie is still recovering from his humiliation after one of his players were cited after the Ireland game. This is after his total assurance that no citing would come, with a nice sprinkle of ad hominem attacks, which made him look utterly ridiculous.

 Rory, may I introduce you to reality.

 Reality being, that after losing, the outcry from Ireland was deafening of those terrible brutish,thuggish All Blacks, after the All Blacks had just put on the best defensive display we had seen in International rugby for a number of years. Why would the Irish do this? especially after only a fortnight prior they had enjoyed the most notable victory of their rugby history.

 Also reality being: One New Zealand player was banned for one week, which shows it wasnt the crime of the century, the other citing resulted in an acquittal as the allegations were completely groundless.

 Rory, might I respectfully suggest to you that you need to learn how conduct yourself properly not only in victory, but also in defeat.

Isn't that rich. Introducing me to reality by conveniently changing your argument to only "one week" after insulting my intelligence for suggesting there will be a citing. Might I respectfully suggest you man up, own up to your errors and apologise instead of trying to subtly pretend you were correct all along.

Also, cut the straw man. This has/had nothing to do with the defeat, but the dirty tactics of your team that day (which you have adopted well yourself).

No 7&1/2 wrote:What would you do rory if someone fish hooked you?

I don't know, but I also don't see how this is relevant.

Fair enough it was a long time ago and has sod all to do with gatland leaving hartley out.

Gatland left Hartley out because he is a temperamental failed kiwi who would have taken so much sledging and provocation at the hands of a side that will do anything - ask ireland - to get the upper hand. Being so easily provoked he would have been a liability in the front row or indeed in any ruck or maul or perhaps just by accusing the ref of cheating

Poor again gwlad.

No 7&1/2 wrote:What would you do rory if someone fish hooked you?

No, this is poor.

Dear me.

No 7&1/2 wrote:Poor again gwlad.

Yes I think he's nervous about the tour. The number of completely unjustified and inaccurate comments about NZ and it's rugby leaves him a tortured soul...and the real torture hasn't even begun...stay tuned!

I hear Gatland has asked for the roof to be shut when we play the Highlanders in Dunedin. Just like home

Well that's good because Gatland only wins at home.

The roof is permanently shut, you woudnt find us Kiwis engaging in this roof open/shut malarkey.

aucklandlaurie wrote:The roof is permanently shut, you woudnt find us Kiwis engaging in this roof open/shut malarkey.

We know. You just suit yourselves every time.

aucklandlaurie wrote:The roof is permanently shut, you woudnt find us Kiwis engaging in this roof open/shut malarkey.

We couldn't afford the remote...

Taylorman wrote:We couldn't afford the remote...

I just assumed that Jamie Joseph had lost it down the back of the sofa.

George Carlin wrote:

Taylorman wrote:We couldn't afford the remote...

I just assumed that Jamie Joseph had lost it down the back of the sofa.

Is he still spinning that yarn? No wonder he's hiding in Japan. (Popular opinion is he accidentally swallowed it during a half time rant at the Landers backs).

Scottrf wrote:Well that's good because Gatland only wins at home.

Except, y'know, when he doesn't...

munkian wrote:

Scottrf wrote:Well that's good because Gatland only wins at home.

Except, y'know, when he doesn't...

I was being emphatic, but if we ignore 6 Nations (Howley), then it's LLLLLLDLLW back to the start of the World Cup.

aucklandlaurie wrote:

 Rory, may I introduce you to reality.

 Reality being, that after losing, the outcry from Ireland was deafening of those terrible brutish,thuggish All Blacks, after the All Blacks had just put on the best defensive display we had seen in International rugby for a number of years. Why would the Irish do this? especially after only a fortnight prior they had enjoyed the most notable victory of their rugby history.

 Also reality being: One New Zealand player was banned for one week, which shows it wasnt the crime of the century, the other citing resulted in an acquittal as the allegations were completely groundless.

Rory, might I respectfully suggest to you that you need to learn how conduct yourself properly not only in victory, but also in defeat.

Kiwis clearly cant handle criticism. The Irish criticised us boo hoo.

GunsGermsV2 wrote:

aucklandlaurie wrote:

 Rory, may I introduce you to reality.

 Reality being, that after losing, the outcry from Ireland was deafening of those terrible brutish,thuggish All Blacks, after the All Blacks had just put on the best defensive display we had seen in International rugby for a number of years. Why would the Irish do this? especially after only a fortnight prior they had enjoyed the most notable victory of their rugby history.

 Also reality being: One New Zealand player was banned for one week, which shows it wasnt the crime of the century, the other citing resulted in an acquittal as the allegations were completely groundless.

Rory, might I respectfully suggest to you that you need to learn how conduct yourself properly not only in victory, but also in defeat.

Kiwis clearly cant handle criticism. The Irish criticised us boo hoo.

Well at least we handled losing better, even when we have much less experience at it.

You didn't have a player KO'd on the ground when you lost and Ireland didn't have any incidents referred to the citing commissioner nor any suspensions. Can you really not see the difference?

Do you really believe that the ABs should be immune to criticism?

No you don't handle losing well - that is the whole point

I'll stir the pot further.

I have been at numerous Internationals against all of the top 9 countries in the rankings, and some others.
With one exception had a great craic both pre and post match regardless of the result with supporters from them all bar one.
Kiwis - whenever I have been at matches meeting them they have been so dull, serious and uninterested in communicating

Taylorman wrote:

GunsGermsV2 wrote:

aucklandlaurie wrote:

 Rory, may I introduce you to reality.

 Reality being, that after losing, the outcry from Ireland was deafening of those terrible brutish,thuggish All Blacks, after the All Blacks had just put on the best defensive display we had seen in International rugby for a number of years. Why would the Irish do this? especially after only a fortnight prior they had enjoyed the most notable victory of their rugby history.

 Also reality being: One New Zealand player was banned for one week, which shows it wasnt the crime of the century, the other citing resulted in an acquittal as the allegations were completely groundless.

Rory, might I respectfully suggest to you that you need to learn how conduct yourself properly not only in victory, but also in defeat.

Kiwis clearly cant handle criticism. The Irish criticised us boo hoo.

Well at least we handled losing better, even when we have much less experience at it.

We'll call it as we see it. There were no complaints last Saturday after Saracens defeated Munster. Owen & Andy Farrell got a spontanious standing ovation when they went into a pub in Sandymount last Saturday after the match from Munster supporters who had been at the match.

geoff999rugby wrote:No you don't handle losing well - that is the whole point

I'll stir the pot further.

I have been at numerous Internationals against all of the top 9 countries in the rankings, and some others.
With one exception had a great craic both pre and post match regardless of the result with supporters from them all bar one.
Kiwis - whenever I have been at matches meeting them they have been so dull, serious and uninterested in communicating

Well, mine was tongue in cheek but if you want to go all dull and serious on it then that's up to you. All I recall was an outpouring of congrats from kiwis the world over after Chicago and after Dublin it was moan, moan, poor us this, those mean All Blacks blah blah...where were the Reds, the citings? Nope, just good old tough rugby...well, welcome to the top of the pops sunshine, if you can't stand the heat....

Taylorman wrote:

geoff999rugby wrote:No you don't handle losing well - that is the whole point

I'll stir the pot further.

I have been at numerous Internationals against all of the top 9 countries in the rankings, and some others.
With one exception had a great craic both pre and post match regardless of the result with supporters from them all bar one.
Kiwis - whenever I have been at matches meeting them they have been so dull, serious and uninterested in communicating

Well, mine was tongue in cheek but if you want to go all dull and serious on it then that's up to you. All I recall was an outpouring of congrats from kiwis the world over after Chicago and after Dublin it was moan, moan, poor us this, those mean All Blacks blah blah...where were the Reds, the citings? Nope, just good old tough rugby...well, welcome to the top of the pops sunshine, if you can't stand the heat....

So, the Kiwi philosophy is doesn't matter how you win, as long as you win.

And you are lecturing people on graciousness in defeat.

Sin é wrote:

Taylorman wrote:

geoff999rugby wrote:No you don't handle losing well - that is the whole point

I'll stir the pot further.

I have been at numerous Internationals against all of the top 9 countries in the rankings, and some others.
With one exception had a great craic both pre and post match regardless of the result with supporters from them all bar one.
Kiwis - whenever I have been at matches meeting them they have been so dull, serious and uninterested in communicating

Well, mine was tongue in cheek but if you want to go all dull and serious on it then that's up to you. All I recall was an outpouring of congrats from kiwis the world over after Chicago and after Dublin it was moan, moan, poor us this, those mean All Blacks blah blah...where were the Reds, the citings? Nope, just good old tough rugby...well, welcome to the top of the pops sunshine, if you can't stand the heat....

So, the Kiwi philosophy is doesn't matter how you win, as long as you win.

And you are lecturing people on graciousness in defeat.  

No, just making an observation on the outcomes of two matches. I don't actually know much about defeat, Let alone be a lecturer on it, so I bow to your experience in that regard.

Must remember to sugar coat everything for Kiwis in future.

Gwlad wrote:Gatland left Hartley out because he is a temperamental failed kiwi who would have taken so much sledging and provocation at the hands of a side that will do anything - ask ireland - to get the upper hand. Being so easily provoked he would have been a liability in the front row or indeed in any ruck or maul or perhaps just by accusing the ref of cheating

Hartley has played NZ 7 times (4 starts and 3 times off the bench). He's never been carded or cited off the back of any of these games.

I don't like the revered tone that NZ are often talked about. Yes, they're skill levels are top notch, but I don't understand the point about the sledging and provocation. Do they illicit more cards out of the opposition team for violent conduct? My guess would be if teams get carded more against NZ, it's probably just because they can't deal with the pace.

Anyway, Gatland of all people should know what happens when a kiwi tries to sledge Hartley.

I'm not that interested in the Lions, but I would be interested in seeing a few Kiwis clotheslined or spear tackled and watch the NZ fans and press write it off as "good old tough rugby". 

The thing is, we all know that won't happen, firstly because the Lions aren't as dirty or cynical as the Kiwis, especially since we decided not to take one of their own (Hartley) and secondly because we know the NZ fans/press are possibly the most precious of all.

I can't wait for BOD to wind himself up into a tizz and get all emotional and irrational all over again

Oh dear, somebody made a derogatory remark about BOD, that will really rile up the Irish fans...

ebop wrote:I can't wait for BOD to wind himself up into a tizz and get all emotional and irrational all over again

Only a Kiwi would call getting pissed off over a broken collar bone and 13 months out of the game irrational. Kiwi logic.

I can understand being peeved off

But bitter and twisted after so long?

Nup, don't get it

So we need to worry about Payne's temperament then Rory?

ebop wrote:I can understand being peeved off

But bitter and twisted after so long?

Nup, don't get it

Well its understandable when the limit of Umaga's compassion was to call O'Driscoll a sook. O'Driscoll has always maintained that he didnt think it was intentional.

If you are a person who denies all responsibility for your actions the consequences of you actions will always drag on longer than when you just man up and take ownership for what you did. That isnt the Kiwi way though if it was the whole saga would have been over in a week or so.

I thought Tana apologised, didn't he?

Not that rugby players are known for apologising after such incidents given the nature of the game. Was BOD so special that he warranted one where others don't (as per the norm).

ebop wrote:I thought Tana apologised, didn't he?.

I believe Justin Marshall went over to see how O'Driscoll was. Apart from that, I think the most popular reaction by that All Black squad and management has been to play the victim, and condemn O'Driscoll for allowing himself to be assaulted.

Play the victim?

Don't think so mate

I lost all respect for the All Blacks that day, a shameful act by a precious bunch of prima donnas.

ebop wrote:Play the victim?

Don't think so mate

I think when you continually accuse the opposition of complaining too much about an act of assault, rather than acknowledge the offence, then you are playing the victim.

ebop wrote:I thought Tana apologised, didn't he?

Nope, he said it was part of the game.

Yeah I just think some people shouldn't play this game. It's just too hard for some. can't take it, don't play it. Simple. Understand it went unpenalised, understand he was hurt, and understand it was unintentional.

A few things conspired at the same time to result in a near worst case scenario, none if it intentional. Unfortunately it happens.

Taylorman wrote:Yeah I just think some people shouldn't play this game. It's just too hard for some. can't take it, don't play it. Simple. Understand it went unpenalised, understand he was hurt, and understand it was unintentional.

A few things conspired at the same time to result in a near worst case scenario, none if it intentional. Unfortunately it happens.

What a load of old horse Poopie.