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Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by Ineffable on Mon Jun 26, 2017 2:05 pm

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HurricanesBritish & Irish Lions
Venue: Westpac Stadium, Wellington
Date: Tuesday, 27 June.
Kick off: 08:35 BST
Live on: Sky Sports 1, from 8am

Lions



1. Joe Marler (ENG)
2. Rory Best (IRE) (Captain)
3. Dan Cole (ENG)
4. Courtney Lawes (ENG)
5. Iain Henderson (IRE)
6. James Haskell (ENG)
7. Justin Tipuric (WAL)
8. CJ Stander (IRE)
9. Greig Laidlaw (SCO)
10. Dan Biggar (WAL)
11. George North (WAL)
12. Robbie Henshaw (IRE)
13. Jonathan Joseph (ENG)
14. Tommy Seymour (SCO)
15. Jack Nowell  Erm  (ENG)

16. Kristian Dacey (WAL)
17. Allan Dell (SCO)
18. Tomas Francis (WAL)
19. Cory Hill (WAL)
20. George Kruis (ENG)
21. Gareth Davies (WAL)
22. Finn Russell (SCO)
23. Jared Payne (IRE)

Hurricanes



1. Ben May
2. Ricky Riccitelli
3. Jeffery Toomaga-Allen
4. Mark Abbott
5. Mark Lousi
6. Vaea Fifita
7. Callum Gibbins
8. Brad Shields (Captain)
9. Te Toiroa-Tahuriorangi
10. Otere Black
11. Julian Savea
12. Ngani Laumape
13. Vince Aso
14. Nehe Milner-Skudder
15. Jordie Barrett

16. Leni Apisai
17. Chris Eves
18. Mike Kainga
19. Janes Blackwell
20. Reed Prinsep
21. K Hauiti-Parapara
22. Wes Goosen
23. Cory Jane


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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by marty2086 on Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:12 am

prop_lyd wrote:Surely the TMO shouldn't be able to have that much influence. Ref had made up his mind and TMO basically told him he thinks he is wrong. Who has overall control in this game?!?!

You mean like the TMO making calls on tries etc? Rolling Eyes

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by ebop on Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:13 am

chewed_mintie wrote:
ebop wrote:Well well well, what do we have here

It's like BOD all over again

Gotta be a red card right

What do you reckon Lions supporters?

Disgraceful - shoulda been a red card!!!!


I'll say mintie, could have broken his neck!!!
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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by chewed_mintie on Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:13 am

ebop wrote:
chewed_mintie wrote:
ebop wrote:Well well well, what do we have here

It's like BOD all over again

Gotta be a red card right

What do you reckon Lions supporters?

Disgraceful - shoulda been a red card!!!!


I'll say mintie, could have broken his neck!!!

Could have ended his career!!!

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by No 7&1/2 on Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:15 am

Which body part did the guy land on? That determines the card if any. If he did land on his head or there was a.forceful drive down it should be red.

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by BamBam on Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:16 am

From the TV I can see in the corner of the office it looked like shoulder but could be wrong

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by ebop on Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:16 am

chewed_mintie wrote:
ebop wrote:
chewed_mintie wrote:
ebop wrote:Well well well, what do we have here

It's like BOD all over again

Gotta be a red card right

What do you reckon Lions supporters?

Disgraceful - shoulda been a red card!!!!


I'll say mintie, could have broken his neck!!!

Could have ended his career!!!
Don't think we've heard the end of this one mintie

Not by a long shot!
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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by mid_gen on Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:17 am

marty2086 wrote:Spot the troll

It's not hard. Every lions thread, bait bait bait. Do we not have mods?

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by chewed_mintie on Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:17 am

ebop wrote:
chewed_mintie wrote:
ebop wrote:
chewed_mintie wrote:
ebop wrote:Well well well, what do we have here

It's like BOD all over again

Gotta be a red card right

What do you reckon Lions supporters?

Disgraceful - shoulda been a red card!!!!


I'll say mintie, could have broken his neck!!!

Could have ended his career!!!
Don't think we've heard the end of this one mintie

Not by a long shot!

and now the comeback is on 31 all!!

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by rodders on Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:18 am

prop_lyd wrote:Surely the TMO shouldn't be able to have that much influence. Ref had made up his mind and TMO basically told him he thinks he is wrong. Who has overall control in this game?!?!

Steve Hanson?
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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by ebop on Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:19 am

Halfpenny should have been carded there for kicking the ball away. This referee is letting the Lions get away with a lot of cynical play.
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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by TJ on Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:20 am

Yellow id the right call. TMO did not dictate but asked questions as he should

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by BamBam on Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:24 am

Not making subs in this game is a disgrace

The players are out on their feet, if Blockhead had brought proper players in rather than random jokers he wouldn't have been embarrassed to make replacements

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by marty2086 on Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:26 am

BamBam wrote:Not making subs in this game is a disgrace

The players are out on their feet, if Blockhead had brought proper players in rather than random jokers he wouldn't have been embarrassed to make replacements

Spot on, none of these players are going to be fit for Saturday

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by rodders on Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:28 am

BamBam wrote:Not making subs in this game is a disgrace

The players are out on their feet, if Blockhead had brought proper players in rather than random jokers he wouldn't have been embarrassed to make replacements

He's a crook, along with his crony Howley. Should never have been near the Lions.
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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by rodders on Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:29 am

marty2086 wrote:
BamBam wrote:Not making subs in this game is a disgrace

The players are out on their feet, if Blockhead had brought proper players in rather than random jokers he wouldn't have been embarrassed to make replacements

Spot on, none of these players are going to be fit for Saturday

He wants this team to lose so he can justify his selection on Saturday.
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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by robbo277 on Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:29 am

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robbo277 wrote:
BamBam wrote:6-2 bench split anyone

Do you go 3-1-2 or 3-2-1?

With Lawes and Henderson you can cover 4/5/6 with a back row covering 6/7/8.

Or you could have Lawes or Henderson covering 4/5 in the main, and two back rows. Potentially Tipuric and Stander? How have they gone today?

And then how do you work the backs? Assuming the starting backs are unchanged, you'd have to have Webb and Sexton? It would leave you a bit exposed if you get a back three injury. So you could consider starting JJ (how's he gone today?) or Daly in the centres, but the centres weren't too bad in the first test.

You could, if you started Stander, O'Brien and Faletau, have 5 forwards with no specialist back row on the bench, as you could have Lawes and Henderson as your locks covering 6, and Stander able to move across. It would be a risk, but you could have a fresh tight 5 for the end period of the game, plus Stander's carrying from the get-go.

I was saying 6-2 so we can get both Lawes and Henderson on the bench .. agree it'll be tricky in the backs, although Daly arguably covers 13, wing and FB if he starts, Farrell/Davies cover 12, Teo plays both centre spots so we could get away with Webb/Sexton on the bench if the starters are unchanged

I'm not so sure.

You have Murray, Farrell, Te'o, Davies in your midfield.

If Murray gets injured, you bring on Webb.

If any of the other 3 get injured, you bring on Sexton (shoving Farrell into midfield if needed).

If any of the back 3 get injured, you can bring Webb or Sexton directly into the back 3 to minimise disruption (not ideal) or you can bring Sexton into 10, Farrell into the midfield and one of your centres into the back 3 (again, not ideal). It would just about work if you had Joseph, Daly or Payne starting 13 as they can all cover back 3 adequately, but it seems harsh to completely drop one of your centres after how they played in the first test.

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by Scottrf on Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:30 am

rodders wrote:
He wants this team to lose so he can justify his selection on Saturday.

Score with Lawes 26-17, score without Lawes 5-14. Perhaps he picked the right guy for Saturday  Whistle

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by rodders on Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:31 am

Scottrf wrote:
rodders wrote:
He wants this team to lose so he can justify his selection on Saturday.

Score with Lawes 26-17, score without Lawes 5-14. Perhaps he picked the right guy for Saturday  Whistle

The problem is he picked him before the match.
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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by TJ on Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:32 am

Why not give Russell a run? Is it because Gatland is afraid that he would play a blinder and prove he should have been there from the start?

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by ebop on Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:32 am

Wow, that was exciting

Nice comeback from the Canes to get back into it but they will be bitterly disappointed not to have won that
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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by Scottrf on Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:32 am

TJ wrote:Why not give Russell a run?  Is it because Gatland is afraid that he would play a blinder and prove he should have been there from the start?
He had his chance  Wink

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by 2ndtimeround on Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:33 am

Scottrf wrote:
rodders wrote:
He wants this team to lose so he can justify his selection on Saturday.

Score with Lawes 26-17, score without Lawes 5-14. Perhaps he picked the right guy for Saturday  Whistle

The other way to look at it is they lost momentum as soon as Cruis came on.

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by marty2086 on Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:33 am

Scottrf wrote:
rodders wrote:
He wants this team to lose so he can justify his selection on Saturday.

Score with Lawes 26-17, score without Lawes 5-14. Perhaps he picked the right guy for Saturday  Whistle

Didn't those 14 points come after Henderson went off? thumbsup

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by prop_lyd on Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:33 am

marty2086 wrote:
prop_lyd wrote:Surely the TMO shouldn't be able to have that much influence. Ref had made up his mind and TMO basically told him he thinks he is wrong. Who has overall control in this game?!?!

You mean like the TMO making calls on tries etc? Rolling Eyes

Was more looking at when the ref's mind was made up in not giving a yellow he said that to the tmo and the tmo 'encouraged him to look again.' Not a huge thing just seems like their influence is growing rather than the ref only going to them if needed.
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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by chewed_mintie on Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:34 am

Hurricanes will look back as a wasted chance.  Two gifted tries to the Lions spells out to me that we dominated this match.  4 tries to 3 and making all the play in that last 20 minutes if I'm honest.

Laumape trampled and dominated big time - AB cap in 3rd test dead rubber methinks.  

Would rather have the win, but still a proud Cane nonetheless


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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by rodders on Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:34 am

ebop wrote:Wow, that was exciting

Nice comeback from the Canes to get back into it but they will be bitterly disappointed not to have won that

Gats will be disappointed they didn't win too. I hope Rory lamps him again after the match.
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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by Scottrf on Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:35 am

prop_lyd wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
prop_lyd wrote:Surely the TMO shouldn't be able to have that much influence. Ref had made up his mind and TMO basically told him he thinks he is wrong. Who has overall control in this game?!?!

You mean like the TMO making calls on tries etc? Rolling Eyes

Was more looking at when the ref's mind was made up in not giving a yellow he said that to the tmo and the tmo 'encouraged him to look again.' Not a huge thing just seems like their influence is growing rather than the ref only going to them if needed.
If the TMO stops the referee making a stupid decision isn't that a good thing?

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by ebop on Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:36 am

mid_gen wrote:
marty2086 wrote:Spot the troll

It's not hard. Every lions thread, bait bait bait. Do we not have mods?
Get over yourselves. Where was the outrage from either of you with that cleanout?  Rolling Eyes
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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by robbo277 on Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:38 am

TJ wrote:Why not give Russell a run?  Is it because Gatland is afraid that he would play a blinder and prove he should have been there from the start?

Potentially. I'm sure that's why Dacey, Hill and Davies got calls over Hartley, Launchbury and Care.

A criminal decision to call-up the players he did, but then absolutely baffling to not utilise them more than was absolutely necessary.

If Gatland now loses the test series, these decisions will come under the microscope even more.

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by prop_lyd on Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:40 am

It is but I would have called it a borderline yellow if you look at other factors so could have gone either way.

Wouldn't have said no yellow would be a stupid decision.
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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by marty2086 on Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:40 am

ebop wrote:
mid_gen wrote:
marty2086 wrote:Spot the troll

It's not hard. Every lions thread, bait bait bait. Do we not have mods?
Get over yourselves. Where was the outrage from either of you with that cleanout?  Rolling Eyes

Whats there to be outraged about? Accidents happen, Hendersons clearout was good it was complicated by Josephs intervention, its not like they picked him up and drove his head into the ground

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by bsando on Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:41 am

WHY NO BENCH? So weird, players looked knackered by the end of that game. I am convinced if he had brought on the bench they would have won that easily! But setup a great test match finish so cheers for that Gatland Wink
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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by chewed_mintie on Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:42 am

marty2086 wrote:
ebop wrote:
mid_gen wrote:
marty2086 wrote:Spot the troll

It's not hard. Every lions thread, bait bait bait. Do we not have mods?
Get over yourselves. Where was the outrage from either of you with that cleanout?  Rolling Eyes

Whats there to be outraged about? Accidents happen, Hendersons clearout was good it was complicated by Josephs intervention, its not like they picked him up and drove his head into the ground

Picking him up by the legs - good??

Maybe Umaga's clearout of BOD was merely 'complicated' by Mealamu's 'intervention'

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by EST on Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:45 am

Gats should take the blame for this being a draw and not a Lions victory.

His callups were ridiculous, but then not to even use them is just bizzare.

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by No9 on Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:47 am

Scottrf wrote:
TJ wrote:Why not give Russell a run?  Is it because Gatland is afraid that he would play a blinder and prove he should have been there from the start?
He had his chance  Wink

... and he was sh!te... may only have been on for Biggar's HIA, but he lost the ball, knocked it on and looked clueless.. Ok, to be fair, 10 mins may not be much time to get into the game, but he looked like he hadn't played rugby before. Going to be ripped apart for this, but considering he was playing with his international half back partner, he was rubbish.

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by Griff on Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:48 am

No9 wrote:
Scottrf wrote:
TJ wrote:Why not give Russell a run?  Is it because Gatland is afraid that he would play a blinder and prove he should have been there from the start?
He had his chance  Wink

... and he was sh!te... may only have been on for Biggar's HIA, but he lost the ball, knocked it on and looked clueless.. Ok, to be fair, 10 mins may not be much time to get into the game, but he looked like he hadn't played rugby before. Going to be ripped apart for this, but considering he was playing with his international half back partner, he was rubbish.


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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by No9 on Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:51 am

Griff wrote:
No9 wrote:
Scottrf wrote:
TJ wrote:Why not give Russell a run?  Is it because Gatland is afraid that he would play a blinder and prove he should have been there from the start?
He had his chance  Wink

... and he was sh!te... may only have been on for Biggar's HIA, but he lost the ball, knocked it on and looked clueless.. Ok, to be fair, 10 mins may not be much time to get into the game, but he looked like he hadn't played rugby before. Going to be ripped apart for this, but considering he was playing with his international half back partner, he was rubbish.


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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by Rory_Gallagher on Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:53 am

Gatland is one strange coach. This tour will be an absolute farce if he doesn't win one of the tests (which he won't).

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by BamBam on Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:53 am

Losing the ball, knocking it on and looking clueless all in 10 mins hasn't stopped Alun Wyn Jones starting a Test Run

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by No 7&1/2 on Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:53 am

Mintie, which body part did the player land on? That dictates in part the colour of the card if 1 at all. Not watched it yet but if it is as you suggest and henderson and Joseph drove him.into the ground off the ball they should.both be facing long spells on the sideline

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by yappysnap on Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:54 am

No9 wrote:
Griff wrote:
No9 wrote:
Scottrf wrote:
TJ wrote:Why not give Russell a run?  Is it because Gatland is afraid that he would play a blinder and prove he should have been there from the start?
He had his chance  Wink

... and he was sh!te... may only have been on for Biggar's HIA, but he lost the ball, knocked it on and looked clueless.. Ok, to be fair, 10 mins may not be much time to get into the game, but he looked like he hadn't played rugby before. Going to be ripped apart for this, but considering he was playing with his international half back partner, he was rubbish.


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Judging him on 10 mins of hia cover seems a tad unfair.

Especially when he seemed to know this was his only opportunity and forced things.

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by TJ on Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:54 am

I have said all along that given the type of player Russell is he needs familar players around him and a set of tactic designed for him. Laidlaw is not his half back partner. Price is.

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by ebop on Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:55 am

rodders wrote:
ebop wrote:Wow, that was exciting

Nice comeback from the Canes to get back into it but they will be bitterly disappointed not to have won that

Gats will be disappointed they didn't win too. I hope Rory lamps him again after the match.
Yeah he will be I'm sure. The Lions were in command and thought they'd stroll away with it and maybe they did to. But credit to the Canes. Some more good tries for the Lions. Discipline still an issue though. Both teams today but the Lions shouldn't need to be.

What do you mean Rory lamping him again, like punch?
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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by Rory_Gallagher on Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:55 am

Griff wrote:
No9 wrote:
Scottrf wrote:
TJ wrote:Why not give Russell a run?  Is it because Gatland is afraid that he would play a blinder and prove he should have been there from the start?
He had his chance  Wink

... and he was sh!te... may only have been on for Biggar's HIA, but he lost the ball, knocked it on and looked clueless.. Ok, to be fair, 10 mins may not be much time to get into the game, but he looked like he hadn't played rugby before. Going to be ripped apart for this, but considering he was playing with his international half back partner, he was rubbish.


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He isn't a Welsh player so I imagine the outrage will be rather mild, actually.

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by yappysnap on Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:55 am

BamBam wrote:Losing the ball, knocking it on and looking clueless all in 10 mins hasn't stopped Alun Wyn Jones starting a Test Run

This is pretty much Alun Wyn Jones' USP

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by Rory_Gallagher on Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:56 am

yappysnap wrote:
BamBam wrote:Losing the ball, knocking it on and looking clueless all in 10 mins hasn't stopped Alun Wyn Jones starting a Test Run

This is pretty much Alun Wyn Jones' USP

Now, this is where the outrage will start.

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by No 7&1/2 on Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:57 am

Sounds like Russell had a similar game to Biggar last match so solid 7 out of 10?

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by robbo277 on Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:57 am

Would he have even trained with the guys outside him? Has he even picked up a rugby ball over the past 10 days? Or has he just been assigned a tackle bag and told to carry it everywhere?

If Gatland had no intention of bringing these guys on, I would guess they had a minimal amount of integration with the team, and would have just been used as opposition.

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by chewed_mintie on Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:57 am

No 7&1/2 wrote:Mintie, which body part did the player land on? That dictates in part the colour of the card if 1 at all. Not watched it yet but if it is as you suggest and henderson and Joseph drove him.into the ground off the ball they should.both be facing long spells on the sideline

Shoulder/side - he got yellow which completely blows the 'Henderson's clear out was good' argument out of the water.

It is interesting to note the parallel between BOD and Barrett's. He was picked by both legs by Henderson/Joseph. Joseph to his credit probably realised it was going awry and let go but Henderson carried on.

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Re: Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

Post by mid_gen on Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:59 am

ebop wrote:
mid_gen wrote:
marty2086 wrote:Spot the troll

It's not hard. Every lions thread, bait bait bait. Do we not have mods?
Get over yourselves. Where was the outrage from either of you with that cleanout?  Rolling Eyes

I'm here for the rugby, not the low-grade trolling from the likes of you.

Is your life that empty that you have to get your kicks from trying to rile people up on an internet forum? Tragic.

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