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Team	_________	Manager
Kalamazoo Outrage	_________	Hero
Shakhtar Senseless	_________	Marky
Fußball	_________	Trebs
SAS	_________	Olly
Melbourne Victory	_________	Afro
Deportivo Wanka	_________	Nando
Olympique Marswag	_________	Miky
Melbourne City	_________	Twist
Wellington Pheonix	_________	Bam
Fiorentina Turner	_________	Tino

Match	_________	Transfer	_________	Other
Fixtures	_________	Lawyers	_________	Rules
Table	_________	Foreigns	_________	Youth Rules
Injuries	_________	Releases	_________	Press Conferences
	_________	Confirmation	_________
	_________	Loans	_________

Certainly seem to recall that was where Son was ripping them a new one.

managed the game and saw it out, typical Juve

Barz had Son just where he wanted him (right underneath his boot)

Son probably eat his dog

Spurs played well and some would say unlucky to go out, but if it's self inflicted by just switching off, is it really classed as unlucky?

if unlucky means bottling/choking then yes

Spurs did their usual choke job

Fernando wrote:Then max realised they were getting bummed down the wings and put Lichtsteiner & Asamoah on.

To be fair I looked at Lichtsteiner and Asamoah coming on as a formation change because they needed two goals, not because they were struggling defensively.

Did we not put into place what happens if word counts are gone over?

Yeah. We said common sense should prevail and if someone is marginally over it shouldn’t be factored in.

So we all might as well go over every week then.

Dequaficated.

We also said we should review the limit and set the punishment for season 2 at the same time rather than change it mid season.

We did also say that headings don’t count in the word count as they are just there to make it easier for the reader.

And we also said the reader shouldn’t factor it in when voting but highlight it to Miky.

Oh and my word count says mine are 197 words also.

197 words on Word and 218 in wordcounttools.com

223 on wordcounter.net

For me marginal is a couple of extra words. When it amounts to a couple of sentences that's tactics that can influence the result of the game.

Tbh I’m easy. I can see it both ways.

I could write the same tactics and take out 20-30 words by writing WBs instead of wingbacks or Removing words like to and the (ie Chiellini pick up main striker, instead of Chiellini to pick up the main striker). Doesn’t change the message.

That's what I tend to do is remove the superfluous.

WBs is as many words though as wingbacks.

Is there some form of autocorrect on the PM?

My word document has wingbacks but on my message to Miky it is wing backs with a space. Explains 1 of the difference in wordcount.

I'm all for a higher word count

What's the crack with copying tactics from elsewhere

AYE UP LADS

I always make subtle changes to save words.

"Sabitzer and Bernard, both of you get down the flanks, either go outside their fullback and cross, or cut inside and look to shoot or link with Dzeko." = 28 words

"Sabitzer/Bernard, both get down the flanks, go outside their fullback and cross, or cut inside, shoot or link with Dzeko." = 21 words

It's the same message and there's no excuse for going over.

You mention something there that I always end up cutting, I always type 'look to' and then when I'm reading back through it see I've done it 4 or 5 times and remove them all.

"and" is the worst one. I usually just start a new sentence.

I do my word count and then cut down in the same way to get under.

My problem here is that my word count on Word showed my tactics under 200 so I didn't bother.

Not sure what happened in the meanwhile, but Hero quite rightly then pointed out that it was over by 20-30 words (although the previous agreement was that the voter should point it out to Miky to punish rather than factor it into their vote, given that not all voters may spot it).

Happy to take the default loss btw if it moves us on.

I got similar to what Afro did when I put his tactics in my word counter on my phone

how can different word count sites get different things is what is confusing me

I prefer to make sure that my tactics are easier to read. If it means im making less points so be it but I'd rather have a nice set of easy to read tactics than a couple of extra instructions in something that's difficult to follow

Nando, Olly, Tino - as Miky would like the remaining games played, how about we say we post up tactics by the close of tomorrow?

Could the other 6 of you split the voting between you i.e. 3 of you vote on mine and Tino's game and the other 3 on Nando v Olly?

Miky already has my tactics for that game so fine by me unless he's deleted them

Fernando wrote:Miky already has my tactics for that game so fine by me unless he's deleted them

Likewise, but given the change of players between now and then, it might just be simpler to go from scratch.

Otherwise Olly/Tino would need to know the squad at the week of the match.

I would actually prefer to not play them (it's not going to make much, if any, difference to the final table by the looks of things.

We obviously can't change the way we buy players halfway through a cycle, but next time it might be worth considering using this.
Young players are more expensive, and it only covers the big five leagues but I think it would work

http://www.football-observatory.com/-Ratings-eng-

If it only covers the 5 leagues what do we then do if we want a player outside them?

Other issue is that site isn't particularly user friendly in creating lists of players as far as I can tell, so if I'm on the hunt for a left back due to an injury how do I search? Revert back to TM first?

I'd say for purposes of the new league you would only allow players in the big five leagues, which is more than enough.

It's just an idea, I'm not enforcing it. But I do think it would help the stockbroker issue we currently have

I don't think it'd help the stockbroker issue at all, each and every year new young players come along, the process would still be there of acquiring those players at an early point and then making profit on them as their stock rises. Some players it's picked up on such as Phil Foden at 15.1m but Angel Gomes is down as a freebie.

Got to agree with Hero.

If, for example, Phil Foden was next to nothing on this website at the time Hero bought him (which based on the Angel Gomes example is more than a possibility), then you have a £15.1m increase. This is worse than on TM, so only makes the issue worse

Scott McTominay is 13.8m and went up to that yesterday.
Wouldn't have taken much of a genius to have bought him on his debut and be quids in now.

"Dow Jones isn't working for us, lets use Nasdaq"

I'd argue the case even that the stockmarket selling of younger players is open to more abuse than TM.
Dele Alli is 170.5m, Mbappe is 188.5m, Ronaldo though is 94.9m.

Yeah, I guess you have a point. I don't know what the previous values were, but this site definitely makes the youth players more expensive and that was my thinking.

So, what's the plan?

I think we need to start making some decisions, as the activity on the page is really dropping. I'm guessing that is because most are now treading water waiting for season 2. I think we need a decision on, (plus my own thoughts):

1. Outstanding game - this should just be chalked off. It isn't meaningful and is just holding up the league.
2. Prize money for season 1 - Miky may already have a clear idea of what it is. If not, I wonder whether it is needed or not?
3. Season 2 TP limit - again, I know Miky gauged opinion on this, but no idea what the consensus was. Me personally somewhere between £55-60m
4. When to start season 2 - With the bank holiday and Easter holidays, I think we should aim for starting on 3rd April, with lawyers on that day and first tactics due in on the 6th
5. Refreezing of TM value - i.e. when do all the player values unfreeze and then refreeze on their current TM value. I think this should happen on the first day of the season (e.g. 3rd April on my suggestion above

mornin all

1. No comment.
2. I don't think prize money is necessary. Perhaps a small 10m boost all round but no more. Would be more interested in something that levels it out based on squad tm values.
3. As I've said to Miky, in my opinion the only way is to have no cap then end the league after season 2. If we set a cap of 55-60m there won't be anyone left in season 3 to go for anyway. Or not enough to justify a season 3.
4. Agree
5. I'd say sooner because all the values are fixed. For all we know tm may be halfway through updating leagues at that date. I'd suggest now tbh

why end at season 2? I think there's life and growth potential

Agree with Tino, absolutely no reason to try and end it at season 2.

I think we need to keep values permanently locked then if we want the longevity.

Sorry boys I have been struck down with a stomach bug, will reply as soon as I can

1. Yes, seriously who cares.
2. Money wise I think most people should have a healthy pot of cash with price resetting of players.
3. Personally I think no cap, people state it shortens the length of the league etc etc, well we've always had caps and the leagues have always dried up, which league doesn't have caps, oh the one that's in its 9 season.
4. Sounds fine to me though I'd open up lawyers in the weeks beforehand to allow people to have started building their season 2 team.
5. Did the freezing actually do anything? Wasn't it put into place to stop the likes of me going for all the kids and making a hefty profit? Well that worked well.

yes some players have risen massively in price, but because TM has an agenda against any player hitting 30 there's some very very good players that are now affordable