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Post by maestegmafia on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 11:23 am

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Post by RiscaGame on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 12:08 pm

Correct decision. Great that they checked it though, after the two missed highs.

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Post by maestegmafia on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 12:08 pm


Ok....!

Let the chat go back to the match, no one is trying to personally wind you up 7.5 we just disagree with you.

Move on

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Post by BigGee on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 12:08 pm

That was a good call

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Post by ebop on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 12:08 pm

Yup
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Post by maestegmafia on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 12:09 pm

RiscaGame wrote:Correct decision. Great that they checked it though, after the two missed highs.

Looked bad at first can understand reasoning. Glad Watson is ok, looked nasty at first

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Post by kingelderfield on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 12:09 pm

Good start from both sides. Keep it positive.

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Post by WELL-PAST-IT on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 12:10 pm

Maes, you need to look at the glaucoma comment if you are taking the no attack/insult line.

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Post by kingelderfield on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 12:11 pm

Im definitely trying to wind 7.5 up. Its been my pleasure for the last 5 years and more:-)

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Post by ebop on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 12:11 pm

WELL-PAST-IT, good on ya
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Post by kingelderfield on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 12:12 pm

And i also know he has the good humour to appreciate it.

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Post by Heaf on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 12:12 pm

OK with that - however the earlier shoulder barge on Billy was probably a yellow and not even a pen for that ...

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 12:13 pm

Makes sense king. No one can really hold some of the views you've said.

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Post by WELL-PAST-IT on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 12:13 pm

ebop, whats a "ya"?

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Post by majesticimperialman on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 12:13 pm

WELL-PAST-IT wrote:good decision
Right decision.

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Post by maestegmafia on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 12:14 pm

englishborn wrote:Since the ref has a much better look at the ball on the ground,  should we not trust his on field decision?

Fair point RE

It’s interesting to evaluate. As far as I saw when the ball crossed the line there was a Tongan players leg under the ball. Is that not the point when scoring happens?

If players join in and wrestle the ball to the ground after the initial crossing of the try line is it then not a scrum five but a try...?

The laws used to be far simpler, a long time ago, but if a player crossed the try line and another opposition player had hands on the ball a try was disallowed. This simplified the laws.

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Post by kingelderfield on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 12:14 pm

Good one:-)

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Post by carpet baboon on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 12:15 pm

maestegmafia wrote:
ebop wrote:Try, really?

Apparently if you have a Tongan leg under the ball it doesn’t matter. It’s in the same appendix as the new rule about you not needing to have the ball when you cross the try line as we saw in the last match

Dont want to derail this thread but the try that best scored was perfectly fine.

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Post by WELL-PAST-IT on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 12:16 pm

majesticimperialman wrote:
WELL-PAST-IT wrote:good decision
Right decision.

A bit or a rarity so far this RWC

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Post by maestegmafia on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 12:17 pm

WELL-PAST-IT wrote:
majesticimperialman wrote:
WELL-PAST-IT wrote:good decision
Right decision.

A bit or a rarity so far this RWC

As mentioned previously.

This has surprised me most so far this RWC, I think we all perceived that the laws would be stricter, I think many of us worried that the contact laws in tackling could be applied so severely that it would ruin the games and the cup as a whole.

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Post by majesticimperialman on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 12:20 pm

Tonga are giving England a far better game than Scotland gave Ireland.

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Post by LondonTiger on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 12:21 pm

carpet baboon wrote:
maestegmafia wrote:
ebop wrote:Try, really?

Apparently if you have a Tongan leg under the ball it doesn’t matter. It’s in the same appendix as the new rule about you not needing to have the ball when you cross the try line as we saw in the last match

Dont want to derail this thread but the try that best scored was perfectly fine.

Yes it was. The law was explained pretty clearly during the game.

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Post by WELL-PAST-IT on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 12:21 pm

majesticimperialman wrote:
WELL-PAST-IT wrote:good decision
Right decision.

A bit or a rarity so far this RWC

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Post by ebop on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 12:22 pm

maestegmafia wrote:
WELL-PAST-IT wrote:
majesticimperialman wrote:
WELL-PAST-IT wrote:good decision
Right decision.

A bit or a rarity so far this RWC

As mentioned previously.

This has surprised me most so far this RWC, I think we all perceived that the laws would be stricter, I think many of us worried that the contact laws in tackling could be applied so severely that it would ruin the games and the cup as a whole.
Indeed, players seem to have adapted. But there’s bound to be a clanger soon, there’s been too many games without head contact and cards issued.

Edit.... Hodge should go for a skate


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Post by TightHEAD on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 12:22 pm

Good Ref so far, as for England just be patient lads the tries
will come, but you've still got to earn it.


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Post by LondonTiger on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 12:22 pm

Williams got the Kalamafoni/Watson decision 100% correct.

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Post by ebop on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 12:23 pm

England are cruising and could, if they wanted, demolish Tonga
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Post by LondonTiger on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 12:24 pm

Tonga were huge in defence in first 40, but offered nothing in attack. Second 40 could be interesting.

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Post by TightHEAD on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 12:24 pm

1/2 way to a bonus point win, that's all we want today.
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Post by TightHEAD on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 12:25 pm

No point peaking in the first 2games
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Post by maestegmafia on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 12:25 pm

LondonTiger wrote:
carpet baboon wrote:
maestegmafia wrote:
ebop wrote:Try, really?

Apparently if you have a Tongan leg under the ball it doesn’t matter. It’s in the same appendix as the new rule about you not needing to have the ball when you cross the try line as we saw in the last match

Dont want to derail this thread but the try that best scored was perfectly fine.

Yes it was. The law was explained pretty clearly during the game.

The crux of this is the interpretation of having the ball and not control.

To me and a good few others it looked like the Scots number eight Wilson had ripped the ball from Best. Therefor no try. Very fast call by Barnes no TMO.

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Post by Heaf on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 12:26 pm

LondonTiger wrote:Williams got the Kalamafoni/Watson decision 100% correct.

Yep but missed a blatant shoulder barge near the start of the game ...

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Post by englishborn on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 12:26 pm

"you made contact with the white man" bit colonial isn't it?

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Post by Heaf on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 12:27 pm

eh?

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Post by maestegmafia on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 12:27 pm

Surprised they didn’t opt for the line out and go for the seven points. England look safely in control of this one

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Post by WELL-PAST-IT on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 12:30 pm

englishborn wrote:"you made contact with the white man" bit colonial isn't it?

????????????????????

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Post by LondonTiger on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 12:32 pm

Is it me, or are Tonga starting to make a number of off the ball hits?

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Post by englishborn on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 12:34 pm

Tongan number 8 obstructed an English player joining the ruck, ref gave penalty and explained the reason as you made contact with the white player. I was making (a poor one as it turns out) a joke on the phrasing since Tonga used to be a British protectorate

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Post by Heaf on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 12:35 pm

ah ...

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Post by maestegmafia on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 12:37 pm

Nice kick by Ford... saw the space and turned the Tongans

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Post by ebop on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 12:38 pm

Heaf wrote:
LondonTiger wrote:Williams got the Kalamafoni/Watson decision 100% correct.

Yep but missed a blatant shoulder barge near the start of the game ...
Heaf, the tackle on Billy Vunipola the Tongan was fine
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Post by Heaf on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 12:38 pm

That's one gone begging

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Post by kingelderfield on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 12:39 pm

#slade@15

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Post by Heaf on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 12:40 pm

ebop wrote:
Heaf wrote:
LondonTiger wrote:Williams got the Kalamafoni/Watson decision 100% correct.

Yep but missed a blatant shoulder barge near the start of the game ...
Heaf, the tackle on Billy Vunipola the Tongan was fine

really? leading shoulder to chest with not a hint of an arm wrap? must do better with your wumming ...

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Post by ebop on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 12:44 pm

Heaf wrote:
ebop wrote:
Heaf wrote:
LondonTiger wrote:Williams got the Kalamafoni/Watson decision 100% correct.

Yep but missed a blatant shoulder barge near the start of the game ...
Heaf, the tackle on Billy Vunipola the Tongan was fine

really?  leading shoulder to chest with not a hint of an arm wrap?  must do better with your wumming ...
Heaf, you need to do better with opening your eyes, the tackle was a good hit, put the Tongan on his backside
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Post by maestegmafia on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 12:44 pm

Heaf wrote:
ebop wrote:
Heaf wrote:
LondonTiger wrote:Williams got the Kalamafoni/Watson decision 100% correct.

Yep but missed a blatant shoulder barge near the start of the game ...
Heaf, the tackle on Billy Vunipola the Tongan was fine

really?  leading shoulder to chest with not a hint of an arm wrap?  must do better with your wumming ...

He disagrees with your perspective on the incident he is not trying to wind you up.


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Post by Heaf on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 12:45 pm

OK maybe ... you've got to admit he does have previous though ...

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Post by maestegmafia on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 12:45 pm

Slade on for May?

So Slade to the wing?

Lovely running by Slade there. Unfortunately looking a bit tight after his break


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Post by Heaf on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 12:46 pm

ebop wrote:
Heaf wrote:
ebop wrote:
Heaf wrote:
LondonTiger wrote:Williams got the Kalamafoni/Watson decision 100% correct.

Yep but missed a blatant shoulder barge near the start of the game ...
Heaf, the tackle on Billy Vunipola the Tongan was fine

really?  leading shoulder to chest with not a hint of an arm wrap?  must do better with your wumming ...
Heaf, you need to do better with opening your eyes, the tackle was a good hit, put the Tongan on his backside

Good hit yes - but not a legal tackle ...

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Post by ebop on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 12:46 pm

Heaf wrote:OK maybe ... you've got to admit he does have previous though ...
Just try to be a bit more resilient Heaf
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Post by WELL-PAST-IT on Sun 22 Sep 2019, 12:47 pm

nice by Slade, no support

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