QF2 - Match Thread - New Zealand v Ireland - 19/10/19 - K/O 11:15 BST

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Thought I'd get these made nice and early for a few reasons - but one being that we're already now looking ahead to the QFs with several teams having finished their group stage, so it's all heating up for the proper knockout stuff...barring any more disruption.

NZ



Team: B Barrett; Reece, Goodhue, Lienert-Brown, Bridge; Mo'unga, Smith; Moody, Taylor, Laulala, Retallick, Whitelock; Savea, Cane, Reid.

Replacements: Coles, Tuungafasi, Ta'avao, S Barrett, Todd, Perenara, Williams, J Barrett.


Ireland



Team: Kearney; Earls, Ringrose, Henshaw, Stockdale; Sexton, Murray; Healy, Best, Furlong, Henderson, James Ryan, O'Mahony; Van der Flier, Stander.

Replacements: Scannell, Kilcoyne, Porter, Beirne, Ruddock, McGrath, Carbery, Larmour.



Venue: Tokyo
Referee: Nigel Owens
AR1: Pascal Gauzere
AR2: Angus Gardiner
TMO: Graham Hughes

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Rubbish. Stupid dichotomy. 'Fighters not strategists'. Simplistic stuff. They're not exclusive.

Really, yet it’s exactly what they do every time they get behind. Ireland are not a smart team. In Sexton and Murray they have a couple of thinkers but generally, Joseph, and Paul, are right. They revert to type under scoreboard pressure and for Joseph to have worked that out with a tier two team is quite embarrassing for Irish rugby. ‘Let the big dumb oafs turn it up when the heats on, and we’ll just go around them’.

They got played big time. Walked into a trap so wide they didn’t know what to do.

That will be Ireland’s problem. Complete and utter predictability. Except for a Sexton switch or nicely laid on chip, or a Murray snipe, Ireland’s marauding pack will just keep pounding towards the line all day, no thinking required.

Must have been a fluke that they got to world number 1 ranking so

Well you explain how they got it, because the demise of SH rugby due to exports in the hundreds is the only thing that explains why three NH sides suddenly go up, and three SH sides suddenly goes down.

That’s too coincidental. And genuine no.1 sides don’t go losing by 50 and losing to tier two sides. Your saying the current Irish, Welsh sides are THE best in the pro era?

Please. You wouldn’t pick a single Irishman in a world XV today. If Ireland’s playing worlds best rugby, then standards sure have dropped. (And, they actually have).

No I dont think it explains it at all. NZ have more imports in their squad than Ireland. 4 of the ABs squad have lived in Ireland and another 4 are from overseas. Thats the world we live in. Your coach also lived in the NH for a while (as a flop).

Id pick quite a few Irish players ahead of their NZ counterpart.

NZ got spanked by Australia themselves who are a lower ranked side than England.

Why are you so reluctant to apply the same rules and logic to your own side?

Oh quit it.

Aki was a Chief and professional when he left. As was Schmidt, Lam, Te’o, Anscombe, Gats, Joseph, Parker, Feek, and a plethora of club players.

Name one All Black who was first a professional anywhere else? Bet you can’t even name a single one in history.

You’re saying Ireland created professionals as oz, SA and NZ have for the north and they’re all popping up in our super sides and tests sides?

Name one other than OGara who had a professional career in Ireland and became anything professional here.

There are none I can think of and even if there are they are not central roles of influence as Schmidt, Gats, Anscombe have been. You aren’t good enough to export that level of quality nor quantity.

Japan has clearly succeeded based on heavy input from NZ and you couldn’t even beat them. It’s as clear as day our IP is influencing the world over. That is the reason for the rankings changes, because our SH sides have to go up against coaches like Jones, Gats, Schmidt. When you use your own they falter, as Lancaster did, as Townsend did and certainly as Farrell will.

Its irrelevant if NZ imports were pros elsewhere as there is no pro rugby in Samoa, Tonga and Fiji. Lots of them had represented their home country in underage rugby and ended up in NZ on rugby scholarships. Thats all you need to know really. That and the fact that NZ has double the imports in their squad vs Irelands.

[MightyQuin]

Come on Ireland!

[No name Bertie]

In terms of strength the top half of the draw seems lopsided: NZ, Australia, England, Ireland.

[LondonTiger]

In terms of strength the top half of the draw seems lopsided: NZ, Australia, England, Ireland.

Except Ireland and Australia failed to beat Japan and Wales.

[No name Bertie]

World Ranking (2019/10/19)

1) New Zealand (90.98) ..... top half
2) Wales (88.87) ............... lower half
3) England (88.13) ............ top half
4) Ireland (85.93) ............. top half
5) South Africa (85.75) ...... lower half
6) Australia (83.52) ........... top half
7) Japan (82.08) ............... lower half
8) France (81.38) .............. lower half

From this it suggest only the narrow loss of Ireland to Japan was against ranking.

[Taylorman]

Why aren't there NH players and coaches in New Zealand - seriously?
Professional means following the money and it ain't under a long white cloud.

Yes but you don’t have any worth the money. They’re all hopeless. Been my point all along. You have improved, through money, not through rugby.

[majesticimperialman]

So who is the pressure really on for this game Ireland or New Zealand?

[Taylorman]

Both, it’s a quarter final.

[No name Bertie]

So who is the pressure really on for this game Ireland or New Zealand?

It seems to me the pressure is always on New Zealand as they set the benchmark in the sport. Most of the time they are able to handle the pressure.

[asoreleftshoulder]

Why aren't there NH players and coaches in New Zealand - seriously?
Professional means following the money and it ain't under a long white cloud.

Yes but you don’t have any worth the money. They’re all hopeless. Been my point all along. You have improved, through money, not through rugby.

It's your own fault, it was the greed of the SH unions that brought in professionalism,now you're whingeing about the consequences.

[Geordie]

Come on Ireland...beat these Kiwis.

Though if you do accoridng to Sean Fitzpatrick it wont be because you played well...itll be because they played poor.

[BamBam]

Good luck to both sides, what a game this could be

[stub]

Come on Ireland!
And lol Geordie!

[BigGee]

Based on support, Ireland should win this

Have they got the legs though?

[BamBam]

What on earth is that on Goodhue's head

[BigGee]

Ireland almost lost both their centres in one blow there!

[Guest]

Could have been a yellow card there, good refereeing

[MightyQuin]

Good start Ireland, unlucky to lose the ball there. Well played Larmour there too.

[tigertattie]

Awful lot of kicking from NZ. Thought they didn’t kick the ball?

[BigGee]

Jez, that looked dangerous from NZ

[BigGee]

That was coming, Ireland under enormous pressure and had to crack

[lostinwales]

No arms tackle on Kearney after he kicked the ball away?

[TightHEAD]

NZ it is then!

[Guest]

Nice try

[mikey_dragon]

NZ playing like Ireland against Ireland. Holding possession very well and making dominant carries in close quarters. The difference being the ABs don’t need to rely on a ref to execute it.

[BigGee]

7-0 NZ

Ireland need to get back into this game, getting hammered at the moment

[majesticimperialman]

NZ showng how dangerous they are with plenty of ball in hand.

[Geordie]

Oh dear...this could be painful...

Come on ireland regroup quickly

[MightyQuin]

Poor from Sexton there. Just kick it out ffs

[Guest]

Another nice try

Should be another yellow card to an Irish player

[majesticimperialman]

Looking like a New Zealand v England semi final. 

New Zealand pulling away at this point.

[kingelderfield]

This could be a tough day for Ireland

[BigGee]

Could well be a long day for the men in green, is the Aaron Smith show just now

17-0 NZ

[tigertattie]

Ireland could be getting a spanking here

[MightyQuin]

All came from Sexton not finding touch. Nothing special from AB’s there really, just getting the job done and the basics spot on.

[Duty281]

Sexton misses touch from a penalty and, a little while later, NZ score a try that probably kills the game early on. Unforgivable.

Could get an ugly score line unless Ireland sort themselves out.

[Guest]

Neck roll from Ireland

[RiscaGame]

How did Nigel miss that bulldog?

[eirebilly]

20mins in and already over. Discipline and composure not out there.

[stub]

Yes, looking bleak for the Irish.

[No9]

Neck roll from Ireland

Lucky wasn't a yellow

[Geordie]

Oooh tight call that one.

[mikey_dragon]

Healy would have got away with that with a French ref, non?

[BigGee]

Silly penalty to give away from Healey, they need to tighten up

[Guest]

Ireland’s discipline and ball handling is letting them down

[eirebilly]

Ireland won big games in the past on their good discipline, none on show here today and again Ireland are guilty of not listening to the referee.

It would take some monumental effort for Ireland to even get back into this game.

[No9]

Healy would have got away with that with a French ref, non?

Oui. sans aucun doute.

[majesticimperialman]

Regards NZ, what happend to Luke Remano?

[Guest]

Long way to go eirebilly

[BigGee]

NZ looking as good as they have done in a long time

Ireland just getting pressured into making mistakes

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