Frank Warren Announcement!!

by Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn Tue 20 Sep 2011, 5:10 pm

First topic message reminder :

Hey lads!!

A friend has just got word that Frank Warren has called a Press Conference for all his fighters to attend in London.

Rumour has it, its going to be an annoucement that he will be withdrawing all his future fights from Sky and moving to BoxNation (Channel: 456 of Sky Platform).

More to follow......

by Scottrf Thu 22 Sep 2011, 10:52 am

The genius of PBF wrote:Who cares about Frank Warren

Boxing fans.

Next question?

by Rowley Thu 22 Sep 2011, 10:54 am

The genius of PBF wrote:Who cares about Frank Warren

Well if as rumoured he is moving all his stable to Box Nation and charging a subscription on top of the Sky/Virgin fee we already pay, meaning watching boxing is about to become more expensive and for many prohibitively so I would guess pretty much everyone who loves the sport would care. Can appreciate why you may be less interested living in Vegas as you do.

by Scottrf Thu 22 Sep 2011, 10:55 am

Sounds alright, quite hoping Virgin get it now:

http://news.boxrec.com/news/2011/new-boxing-subscription-channel-ready-go

by Rowley Thu 22 Sep 2011, 10:56 am

Scottrf wrote:Sounds alright, quite hoping Virgin get it now:

http://news.boxrec.com/news/2011/new-boxing-subscription-channel-ready-go

Can't get on boxrec at work scott, any chance of a summary please.

by The genius of PBF Thu 22 Sep 2011, 10:56 am

rowley wrote:
The genius of PBF wrote:Who cares about Frank Warren

Well if as rumoured he is moving all his stable to Box Nation and charging a subscription on top of the Sky/Virgin fee we already pay, meaning watching boxing is about to become more expensive and for many prohibitively so I would guess pretty much everyone who loves the sport would care. Can appreciate why you may be less interested living in Vegas as you do.

All his top fighters leave him...Cant see boxing fans tuning in to see the likes of Enzo Maccaspaghtetti apart from Steffan aka Stephanie.

by Adam D Thu 22 Sep 2011, 10:57 am

New boxing subscription channel ready to go
Frank Warren will announce tomorrow that his stable of fighters are moving from their long-time Sky Sports home to a channel which quietly popped up in July – BoxNation.

This development was not difficult to foresee given recent events : Frank Warren Promotions posting sizeable losses in their most recently filed accounts; the promoter’s insistence that PPV is necessary for big fights to be made; Sky Sports withdrawing from the PPV model in the wake of two disastrous ‘events’ featuring David Haye; and the fact that BoxNation has been showing free-to-air repeats of Warren bills. So, it hardly took Psychic Sally to predict this one.

What is both interesting and unexpected is that, as far as BoxRec News understands, the channel will not be a vehicle for PPV fights but will instead be run on a subscription model, pitched around the £10 a month mark.

We’ve also heard a whisper that the channel will remain free-to-air until November. How this squares up with the promoter’s planned October 15th bill featuring Nathan Cleverly v Tony Bellew and a James DeGale European title challenge is less clear – other than a Sky source saying no agreement has been reached for this bill to be broadcast by them.

Warren has apparently said that he will honour the rest of his contract with Sky – a handful of dates running into next summer. Again, that’s hard to square with the birth of BoxNation but given the size of the promoter’s stable, perhaps not impossible to fulfil.

Depending on the information imparted at a press conference tomorrow, it would be hard to imagine Sky’s lawyers not having a look at the fine print of their contract – unless it has been done with the broadcaster’s complicity, which is even harder to believe.

So, what should potential subscribers expect for their money?

BoxRec News understands that there is some attractive fare claimed to be on offer. Obviously Warren’s future bills will be on it (other than any used to fulfil his Sky obligations); there’s a supposed three-year deal with Sauerland; Hopkins v Dawson is in the offing plus the potential for some other US fights.

Steve Bunce’s Boxing Hour is set to make a return and there are rumours of a talking heads programme, similar to Sky Sports’ Sunday Supplement offering.

Apparently, there is a commitment to showing action twice a week, without running against other networks’ boxing output.

Less exciting for the boxing purist – but probably good news for the increasing amount of cross-over fans - is that MMA will get an airing.

Fight fans might hope that forum stirrings concerning Sky’s supposed lack of interest in boxing are pessimistic. A Sky source put a positive spin on these developments, saying Warren’s move “will obviously free up money and options for other things”.

http://news.boxrec.com/news/2011/new-boxing-subscription-channel-ready-go

there you go

by coxy0001 Thu 22 Sep 2011, 10:59 am

Personally i think Horo/Fists of Bottom Fury should approach this new channel so that we have some competition between Primetime and said new channel.....

No-one likes a monopoly after all

by Rowley Thu 22 Sep 2011, 11:00 am

Cheers Adam, doesn't sound bad but the extra tenner on top of an already steep Sky bill stings, and has already not gone over too well with the sainted Mrs Rowley.

by The genius of PBF Thu 22 Sep 2011, 11:00 am

coxy0001 wrote:Personally i think Horo/Fists of Bottom Fury should approach this new channel so that we have some competition between Primetime and said new channel.....

No-one likes a monopoly after all

Primetime is the best and future of boxing.

by Adam D Thu 22 Sep 2011, 11:03 am

Does it even have a website?

by Scottrf Thu 22 Sep 2011, 11:04 am

Clev vs Bellew on there, free to view.

by coxy0001 Thu 22 Sep 2011, 11:05 am

Scottrf wrote:Clev vs Bellew on there, free to view.

I'll still stream it

by Scottrf Thu 22 Sep 2011, 11:06 am

So will I.

by The genius of PBF Thu 22 Sep 2011, 11:07 am

coxy0001 wrote:
Scottrf wrote:Clev vs Bellew on there, free to view.

I'll still stream it

Cant you afford Sky?

by **Union Cane** Thu 22 Sep 2011, 11:08 am

Can you get Sky in Vegas?

by The genius of PBF Thu 22 Sep 2011, 11:10 am

Union Cane wrote:Can you get Sky in Vegas?

A blue sky

by The genius of PBF Thu 22 Sep 2011, 11:12 am

HBO and Primetime are the future of boxing.

by Rowley Thu 22 Sep 2011, 11:14 am

Spoiler:

The nearest to Vegas he has ever been

by **Union Cane** Thu 22 Sep 2011, 11:15 am

Did Michaels help you with that?

by coxy0001 Thu 22 Sep 2011, 11:16 am

The genius of PBF wrote:
coxy0001 wrote:
Scottrf wrote:Clev vs Bellew on there, free to view.

I'll still stream it

Cant you afford Sky?

Given up the package as i'm never there to watch it. Too busy working/socialising/shagging

by Rowley Thu 22 Sep 2011, 11:17 am

Union Cane wrote:Did Michaels help you with that?

I really can't do spoilers, although you've probably gathered that by now.

by The genius of PBF Thu 22 Sep 2011, 11:17 am

rowley wrote:
Spoiler:

The nearest to Vegas he has ever been

Jealous that I am closer to Jim Jeffries than you will ever be? Laugh

by Rowley Thu 22 Sep 2011, 11:18 am

If that means you're likely to die before me, one can only hope.

by Scottrf Thu 22 Sep 2011, 11:19 am

coxy0001 wrote:Given up the package as i'm never there to watch it. Too busy working/socialising/shagging

Talk about overcompensating...

by coxy0001 Thu 22 Sep 2011, 11:19 am

Rowley, haven't you actually been to Vegas? Or was that Windy?

by coxy0001 Thu 22 Sep 2011, 11:20 am

rowley wrote:If that means you're likely to die before me, one can only hope.

Comment of the day.

by Michaels, Sean Thu 22 Sep 2011, 11:21 am

coxy0001 wrote:
The genius of PBF wrote:
coxy0001 wrote:
Scottrf wrote:Clev vs Bellew on there, free to view.

I'll still stream it

Cant you afford Sky?

Given up the package as i'm never there to watch it. Too busy working/socialising/shagging

I don't think the hardships of being a rent boy are quite on topic.....

by **HumanWindmill** Thu 22 Sep 2011, 11:22 am

The genius of PBF wrote:
rowley wrote:
Spoiler:

The nearest to Vegas he has ever been

Jealous that I am closer to Jim Jeffries than you will ever be?

Jim Jeffries was never in the Yorkshire Dales, where you are.

by Daz Thu 22 Sep 2011, 11:23 am

I would be pretty gutted if that happens. I already pay for Sky Sports and ESPN. Not sure I want pay another £10 a month if this happens.

Boxing does not need this at all. It's only going to marginalise the sport further.

Not happy. Sad

by The genius of PBF Thu 22 Sep 2011, 11:23 am

Michaels, Sean wrote:
coxy0001 wrote:
The genius of PBF wrote:
coxy0001 wrote:
Scottrf wrote:Clev vs Bellew on there, free to view.

I'll still stream it

Cant you afford Sky?

Given up the package as i'm never there to watch it. Too busy working/socialising/shagging

I don't think the hardships of being a rent boy are quite on topic.....

Post of the week

by Rowley Thu 22 Sep 2011, 11:24 am

coxy0001 wrote:Rowley, haven't you actually been to Vegas? Or was that Windy?

Yes mate have been, went over for the Hatton Mayweather fight, so I have actually seen Floyd live, which in many people's mind would trump pretending to be him online.

by The genius of PBF Thu 22 Sep 2011, 11:24 am

HumanWindmill wrote:
The genius of PBF wrote:
rowley wrote:
Spoiler:

The nearest to Vegas he has ever been

Jealous that I am closer to Jim Jeffries than you will ever be?

Jim Jeffries was never in the Yorkshire Dales, where you are.

Never heard of Yorkshire Dales to be honest.

by **HumanWindmill** Thu 22 Sep 2011, 11:26 am

The genius of PBF wrote:
HumanWindmill wrote:
The genius of PBF wrote:
rowley wrote:
Spoiler:

The nearest to Vegas he has ever been

Jealous that I am closer to Jim Jeffries than you will ever be?

Jim Jeffries was never in the Yorkshire Dales, where you are.

Never heard of Yorkshire Dales to be honest.

Nobody in Vegas ever heard of you, either.

by Scottrf Thu 22 Sep 2011, 11:27 am

The genius of PBF wrote:
HumanWindmill wrote:
The genius of PBF wrote:
rowley wrote:
Spoiler:

The nearest to Vegas he has ever been

Jealous that I am closer to Jim Jeffries than you will ever be?

Jim Jeffries was never in the Yorkshire Dales, where you are.

Never heard of Yorkshire Dales to be honest.

You got destroyed by an IP check, I'm sure it's shattered the illusion that you are Mayweather for many of us.

by **HumanWindmill** Thu 22 Sep 2011, 11:28 am

Scottrf wrote:
The genius of PBF wrote:
HumanWindmill wrote:
The genius of PBF wrote:
rowley wrote:
Spoiler:

The nearest to Vegas he has ever been

Jealous that I am closer to Jim Jeffries than you will ever be?

Jim Jeffries was never in the Yorkshire Dales, where you are.

Never heard of Yorkshire Dales to be honest.
You got destroyed by an IP check, I'm sure it's shattered the illusion that you are Mayweather for many of us.

Because we REALLY believed it.

by The genius of PBF Thu 22 Sep 2011, 11:29 am

Scottrf wrote:
The genius of PBF wrote:
HumanWindmill wrote:
The genius of PBF wrote:
rowley wrote:
Spoiler:

The nearest to Vegas he has ever been

Jealous that I am closer to Jim Jeffries than you will ever be?

Jim Jeffries was never in the Yorkshire Dales, where you are.

Never heard of Yorkshire Dales to be honest.
You got destroyed by an IP check, I'm sure it's shattered the illusion that you are Mayweather for many of us.

That im somehow from a place I have never heard off? Like I said before your a poor mans Fight News...Wont wind me up...ever

by Scottrf Thu 22 Sep 2011, 11:31 am

"Will be available on Virgin media,

Commentary team Bunce and Rawling with Rosenthal in studio.

3 year deal with Sauerland

Going to show Amateur boxing

Maybe MMA and looking at UFC

Stations CEO is Simon Green who was general manager at Setanta.

Free to air to start but later in the year it goes to £10 per month.

Warren is seeing out his Sky deal which is thought to end next year."

by Michaels, Sean Thu 22 Sep 2011, 11:33 am

Scottrf wrote:"Will be available on Virgin media,

Commentary team Bunce and Rawling with Rosenthal in studio.

3 year deal with Sauerland

Going to show Amateur boxing

Maybe MMA and looking at UFC

Stations CEO is Simon Green who was general manager at Setanta.

Free to air to start but later in the year it goes to £10 per month.

Warren is seeing out his Sky deal which is thought to end next year."

I think it is a result in the long term for boxing fans.

by Scottrf Thu 22 Sep 2011, 11:35 am

Michaels, Sean wrote:I think it is a result in the long term for boxing fans.

You think they will pick up fights Sky wouldn't have got anyway?

by Daz Thu 22 Sep 2011, 11:37 am

Michaels, Sean wrote:
Scottrf wrote:"Will be available on Virgin media,

Commentary team Bunce and Rawling with Rosenthal in studio.

3 year deal with Sauerland

Going to show Amateur boxing

Maybe MMA and looking at UFC

Stations CEO is Simon Green who was general manager at Setanta.

Free to air to start but later in the year it goes to £10 per month.

Warren is seeing out his Sky deal which is thought to end next year."

I think it is a result in the long term for boxing fans.

Only existing fans - how are we going to appeal to other sports fans now? Not going to get a new generation like this.

by Adam D Thu 22 Sep 2011, 11:39 am

Stations CEO is Simon Green who was general manager at Setanta.

So the business model will be - offer it at half price to lure people in, then find out that people cancel after introductory offer, so offer them another discount.

Repeat until bankruptcy.

by School Project Thu 22 Sep 2011, 11:41 am

I think I'm actually fed up of this sport now. I can't afford to watch it.

How much is the subscription ?

by Daz Thu 22 Sep 2011, 11:42 am

Adam D (Hobo) wrote:
Stations CEO is Simon Green who was general manager at Setanta.

So the business model will be - offer it at half price to lure people in, then find out that people cancel after introductory offer, so offer them another discount.

Repeat until bankruptcy.

Sounds about right.

by coxy0001 Thu 22 Sep 2011, 11:43 am

School Project wrote:I think I'm actually fed up of this sport now. I can't afford to watch it.

How much is the subscription ?

£199.99 per month

by Michaels, Sean Thu 22 Sep 2011, 11:47 am

School Project wrote:I think I'm actually fed up of this sport now. I can't afford to watch it.

How much is the subscription ?

Just think about it.

How many PPV's does the average boxing fan pay for a year? 5/6? Maybe more?

Let's say £90-£120

If this gig is £10 a month that is £120.

If 100k - 200k subscribe, Box Nation suddenly have a serious amount of clout to attract big fighters and big fights. It will be the end of PPV.

by coxy0001 Thu 22 Sep 2011, 11:53 am

If 100k - 200k subscribe, Box Nation suddenly have a serious amount of clout to attract big fighters and big fights. It will be the end of PPV.

Not really

£1m-2m? Take away from that salaries, cost of airing etc and there isn't much left to offer a fighter. Haye earnt millions from the Wlad fight. Under that platform the money wouldn't be there to earn as much.

PPV for a superfight will never die.

And i very, very much doubt whether 200,000 will sign up for it anyway. Setanta failed and that had multiple sports being shown.

by Daz Thu 22 Sep 2011, 11:54 am

The problem I have is that I also subsribe to ESPN to watch Friday Night Fights, UFC and the occasional bit of footy.

I also have Sky Sports because of Fight Night and footy.

I would like to continue watching all 3 sports but dont want to pay for all 3 channels. My Sky bill is horrendous as it is!

by Rowley Thu 22 Sep 2011, 11:54 am

Thing is Sean at the minute it very much appears Golden Boy are commited to Primetime and suspect there is too much water under the bridge for Khan to end up on a Warren run channel so would appear we would still have a few PPV's to shell out for and an additional £120. Am happy with something that means we will get to see more boxing but if it means the Sky bill keeps creeping up and up at some point even the most commited fan will say enough is enough or will have to draw the line somewhere.

by coxy0001 Thu 22 Sep 2011, 11:56 am

Rowley

Streaming online is the answer

by Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn Thu 22 Sep 2011, 12:00 pm

Hey lads!!

Been quiet busy with work the last 2 days so even though I put this thread on, you lot seem to know way more than me about the Warren situation.

Whats the latest on it?

Thanks

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