Can England win it in 2015?

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What do they need to do from grass roots up to give their players the best chance?

No. They are home this time. Within striking range of the WAGs. The wouldn't be so blatant about misbehaving then, would they...

Tindall, were he still eligible, would have to report to the Tower of london each night

viewtothegym wrote:No seriously

you should hold on to your seat, there is more coming.

But whilst we are on the subject of laughing.

This gent went to the circus and the announcer brought a very sad donkey out. He challenged the audience to make the donkey laugh or at the least stop being so sad as it hasn't been able to perform for over a year.

The gent went over to the donkey and whispered something in his ear, upons which the donkey broke out in uncontrolled laughter.

A year later the circus is back in town and the announcer begs the audience that he would pay a handsome reward to anyone who could make the donkey stop laughing.

The same gent who whispered into the donkeys ear a year ago steps up, and within seconds the donkey is struck by depression.

After receiving the reward the announcer is keen to know how the gent did it.

He responded by saying" a year ago I told him I am bigger than him, today I showed him”

Sorry mods, hope it doesn't break too many rules, I was as polite as possible.

lol

Don't tell me Bek, you're wife's rubbish at parking her car.

Would you want me to brag or complain?

Bryce Lawrence

You shouldn`t be nasty to Bruce, he recently lost his guide dog.

England 2015? yep why not they did beat Scotland and Argentina you know.

viewtothegym wrote:England 2015? yep why not they did beat Scotland and Argentina you know.

And this after Wales came 4th at the WC. God only knows the sort of bravado you'll display when you actually win something

That said unless major changes are made soon, it's a pipe-dream

viewtothegym wrote:England 2015? yep why not they did beat Scotland and Argentina you know.

and wales beat erm not sa , not oz and erm not france. but you never know

Beat England thou

viewtothegym wrote:Beat England thou

Not at the RWC they didn't. They also lost 3 out of 4 games against England in 2011. You do know that thou means you ? So, you really meant, "Beat England you" ?

England rugby fan wrote:

viewtothegym wrote:Beat England thou

Not at the RWC they didn't. They also lost 3 out of 4 games against England in 2011. You do know that thou means you ? So, you really meant, "Beat England you" ?

ffs view, didn't thou knowest that?

and fan did thou knowest not Englande beateth wales only twice out of thrice in ye 2011

Don't go getting jealous now lads Wales reached the last four and you didn't and Wales did by playing some beautiful rugby.

Got to love old games being dragged up,
the last encounter,the one that matters England got pretty well beat and shown up against Wales.

But at least you did beat Scotland and Argentina,to be fair the comprehensive beatings England give out in the group stages just reaffirmed to me that they must be shoe in 2015 winners.

Gatts wrote:

ffs view, didn't thou knowest that?

and fan did thou knowest not Englande beateth wales only twice out of thrice in ye 2011

Oops. A bit of finger trouble there. You're right England beat Wales 2 out of 3 times. They are also still above Wales in the IRB rankings after Wales lost 3 games at RWC 2011.

I'm so glad you enjoy old games being dragged up as the one which really matters was the 6N game, which is one of those that Wales didn't win.

Wales played beautiful rugby

Oh dear, be still my aching sides. They lost 3 out of 7 games in RWC 2011. Perhaps they should play rugby that wins games....

I forgive your finger trouble fan

You must find it very difficult typing while wearing the latest England strip, an RFU England Rugby Clown suit as designed by Brand Haskellhoff, Head Clown.

You even have a better win ratio, you won 4/5 games we only won 4/7.

I know England have a better RWC 2011 win ratio. They also have a better IRB points ranking.

Still, at least Wales finished every game fitter than their opposition

With the respect of the entire Rugby world except for the traditional anti Welsh england fans who in the desperate attempts to reconcile their tragicomedy of a RWC, management team and union, attempt to find something/anything to point their big red clowning fingers at.

Keep it coming, England are a total joke, we can't compete with you on that front!

the england team visited schools , helped out the disabled, went on litter duty, gave to the poor, aided the kiwi economy by visiting many bars, saftey tested many recreational activites such as bungies and diving platforms, filled front pages which sold many kiwi papers, gave the odd kiwi ladies good quality breeding juice in which is off the highest most advanced genetics in the world and mingled with the average kiwi citizen as if they were one of them. they also are royally connected, played the best rugby and the country they originate own wales. infact one of the players could actually be given wales by his uncle, who owns the deads to this land mass.

obviously england are the best and most helpfull team. good night, wlaes you have a long way to go

Keep the xenophobic comments coming.

Driving a golf buggy down the motorway.

Arguing with bouncers outside McDonalds and being restrained.

Throwing pool table balls around in a pub.

Being boorish on a train.

Any of those sound familiar ? Yep, that's Wales rugby players not being a total joke

how could a rugby player worth any salt be beaten up by a mcdonalds security gaurd!!! lol

mm not sure how xenophobia comes into it...we are comparing the clown factor of our respective nations

you lot are winning this hands down!

Mouthguard gate, Chambermaid Gate, ferry Gate, bungee gate, dwarf gate, Tindall's blonde in bar gate, ball tampering gate, selection gate, and the exit gate in the quarter final!!
Did i miss any?

Bravo England

Gatts wrote:mm not sure how xenophobia comes into it...we are comparing the clown factor of our respective nations

you lot are winning this hands down!

Mouthguard gate, Chambermaid Gate, ferry Gate, bungee gate, dwarf gate, Tindall's blonde in bar gate, ball tampering gate, selection gate, and the exit gate in the quarter final!!
Did i miss any?

Bravo England

so what your saying is that england are more news worthy and more important , media want to know what they are getting upto

Gatts wrote:
Did i miss any?

Bravo England

Yes, you missed England being above Wales in the IRB rankings. Well done you

You Welsh and English just go on and on about rubbish don't you.
The thread is supposed to be about 2015. England were poor this WC everyone knows that. We also know the media (NZ and UK) had it in for them and that they didnt' do themselves any favours.
Wales played some good rugby but lost to better teams.
France played some poor rugby but got to the final anyway and almost got it.
NZ won in the end.
Can England improve in the next 4 years? Of course. Can they win? Possibly but they will need to improve their discipline and passing.
I bet you that Wales wont win it.
In fact I expect Read to lead the ABs to be the first team to defend the World Cup.

At the moment I would give some chance in 2015 to all of France, Wales, Ireland, England, NZ, SA and OZ. All of these have either the shell of a side to go forward with, or the resources / attitude to produce one within the timeframe. How they are managed over the next four years will be crucial for Ireland, Wales and Oz. Scotland look good in the forwards and defence, but really need to turn a corner in attack, and just from following the discussions on here it didnt seem there was a whole lot of optimism around on that front.

1. Not spontaneously decide to go swimming.

2. Leave the midgets alone.

3. Leave the hotel staff alone.

4. Not snog their ex's (married players only).

5. Carefully inspect mouthguards before use.

6. Consider asking the ref prior to providing fresh ball for goalkick.

7. Do not use cellotape to stick the numbers to the back of the playing strip.

8. Take responsibility.

Most of the points listed above can be summed up by one sentence consisting of two relatively simple words. In 2007 the England slogan enforced by Brian Ashton was Shock the world. The following statement ought to be plastered around Twickenham and England dressing rooms around the world leading up to and possibly during 2015: Grow up

Basics right throughout, the rest comes after.

nganboy wrote:You Welsh and English just go on and on about rubbish don't you.
The thread is supposed to be about 2015. England were poor this WC everyone knows that. We also know the media (NZ and UK) had it in for them and that they didnt' do themselves any favours.
Wales played some good rugby but lost to better teams.
France played some poor rugby but got to the final anyway and almost got it.
NZ won in the end.
Can England improve in the next 4 years? Of course. Can they win? Possibly but they will need to improve their discipline and passing.
I bet you that Wales wont win it.
In fact I expect Read to lead the ABs to be the first team to defend the World Cup.

Best book Joubert for the final now

England rugby fan wrote:

Gatts wrote:
Did i miss any?

Bravo England

Yes, you missed England being above Wales in the IRB rankings. Well done you

Fan

you are probably the last one left, anonymously cruising internet forums looking for others like you, discriminated against in public like ginger people and people who play golf and people who don't like Top Gear

it matters not what i think or what you think, the whole rugby world thinks english rugby is in a parlous state, an embarassment from top to bottom with a bunch of blazers fighting over scraps at the top table, the players behaving like chimps on tour and the 'management' looking like a bunch of amateurs selecting 2 10s for a RWC 1/4 final and paying the price.

If it wasn't so sad it would be funny

biltongbek wrote:You shouldn`t be nasty to Bruce, he recently lost his guide dog.

Gatts wrote:I forgive your finger trouble fan

You must find it very difficult typing while wearing the latest England strip, an RFU England Rugby Clown suit as designed by Brand Haskellhoff, Head Clown.

You even have a better win ratio, you won 4/5 games we only won 4/7.

France came second winning 4/7.

It's all about energy conservation

Gatts wrote:

nganboy wrote:You Welsh and English just go on and on about rubbish don't you.
The thread is supposed to be about 2015. England were poor this WC everyone knows that. We also know the media (NZ and UK) had it in for them and that they didnt' do themselves any favours.
Wales played some good rugby but lost to better teams.
France played some poor rugby but got to the final anyway and almost got it.
NZ won in the end.
Can England improve in the next 4 years? Of course. Can they win? Possibly but they will need to improve their discipline and passing.
I bet you that Wales wont win it.
In fact I expect Read to lead the ABs to be the first team to defend the World Cup.

Best book Joubert for the final now

Well we have managed to win a game or two in the last 100 odd years with Joubert so we might be able to do so again. Or do you reckon NZ have only ever won a game by cheating?

Glas a du wrote:

France came second winning 4/7.

Australia came third winning 5/7.

Yeah we got nowhere. winning 4/4 and then 0/1 against Bruce Lawrence.

nganboy wrote:Well we have managed to win a game or two in the last 100 odd years with Joubert so we might be able to do so again. Or do you reckon NZ have only ever won a game by cheating?

Well, now that you mention it...

Gatts wrote:

England rugby fan wrote:

Gatts wrote:
Did i miss any?

Bravo England

Yes, you missed England being above Wales in the IRB rankings. Well done you

Fan

you are probably the last one left, anonymously cruising internet forums looking for others like you, discriminated against in public like ginger people and people who play golf and people who don't like Top Gear

it matters not what i think or what you think, the whole rugby world thinks english rugby is in a parlous state, an embarassment from top to bottom with a bunch of blazers fighting over scraps at the top table, the players behaving like chimps on tour and the 'management' looking like a bunch of amateurs selecting 2 10s for a RWC 1/4 final and paying the price.

If it wasn't so sad it would be funny

Hope you feel better after your little rant. I can feel all the hate pouring out of you. How sad.

gatts again

It will be interesting to see if the young players being touted now actually make the 2015 world cup or if they fall away as so many do.

GeordieFalcon wrote:It will be interesting to see if the young players being touted now actually make the 2015 world cup or if they fall away as so many do.

Geordie, that's got to be one of England's biggest issues? Bags of talent coming thru reflected in results all the way up the age groups, but where does it all go?

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:It will be interesting to see if the young players being touted now actually make the 2015 world cup or if they fall away as so many do.

Geordie, that's got to be one of England's biggest issues? Bags of talent coming thru reflected in results all the way up the age groups, but where does it all go?

Well they ain't coming to SA that's for sure. Perhaps your scouts should go to the pubs in NZ where dwarf throwing is popular.

viewtothegym wrote:Don't go getting jealous now lads Wales reached the last four and you didn't and Wales did by playing some beautiful rugby.

You played 3 tier 1 teams and lost 2 games.

We played 3 tier 1 teams and lost 1 game.

That's why Wales have slid down the world rankings below Argentina!

We can definately win it, besides all the out cry at how bad we were this world cup had johnson made better selection decisions at the quarter final ie, stevens not starting at loosehead, flood for wilkinson, shaw/lawes instead of deacon and wood/ haskell starting in the backrow then we would have probably got to the final.

England will always be a good side and if we get the management structure right as with SCW 2000-2003 then we have a great chance of winning on home soil.

Its so black and white with rugby supporters, england narrowly lost at the 1/4s to the team that almost won the final and all of a sudden we are terrible. We won the 6 nations and beat australia easily in australia and have a core of very good young players. Ashton scored the most tries in the tournament and at the end of the group stages we had the least tries scored against us.

Johnson made stupid selection descions at a crucial time, the team is still world class and with the right man in charge we can beat anyone especially on home soil.

yes tidychris, you are correct. we all know that its just we are not supposed to talk about truths and england in the same sentances

sirtidychris wrote:had johnson made better selection decisions at the quarter final ie, stevens not starting at loosehead, flood for wilkinson, shaw/lawes instead of deacon and wood/ haskell starting in the backrow then we would have probably got to the final.

That's quite a leap there, Chris.

luckless_pedestrian wrote:

sirtidychris wrote:had johnson made better selection decisions at the quarter final ie, stevens not starting at loosehead, flood for wilkinson, shaw/lawes instead of deacon and wood/ haskell starting in the backrow then we would have probably got to the final.

That's quite a leap there, Chris.

haha i suppose so, i just feel that johnson developed a team that had beaten australia, france and wales in the last year, that team had flood and hape at 10/12 and palmer/lawes at 4/5. Corbisero also impressed at loosehead for large parts of those games. We then get to a RWC 1/4 final against france and instead of playing the same team that beat them a few months earlier, he sticks with misfiring johny, plays flood out of position and sticks with a tighthead thats been getting smashed all tournament on the loose. He then only has 2 backs on the bench so when his random experiment goes wrong he has no contingency to change it !

There were quite a few selection clangers that day, i just found it strange that most of the rugby media and posters could see the johnsons decisions were odd apart from johnson himself ! and thats what worries me for the next 4 years, when his players are playing poorly or are past it he won't drop them. (wilkinson, borthwick, stevens, youngs, tindall, cueto, moody, deacon)

Chris, it seemed to me that at some point Martin Johnson decided that to progress in the World Cup, England would have to revert to what brought them success in previous World Cups. Unfortunately for him and for England fans, England no longer have a pack that can bully other teams, nor an outside half who can nail his kicks.