Top 10 South African batsmen since re-admission.

Seeing that the cricket season is upon us, I thought it would be interesting to see who the top ten batsmen have been for South Africa since their re-admission.

Jacques Kallis
Tests 145, Innings 246, Not outs 38, Runs 11947, Average 57.43, Hundreds 40, Fifties 54

Greame Smith
Tests 91, Innings 159, Not outs 9, Runs 7457, Average 49.71, Hundreds 22, Fifties 29

AB de Villiers
Tests 66, Innings 113, Not outs 13, Runs 4741, Average 47.41 ,Hundreds 12, Fifties 23

Hashim Amla
Tests 51, Innings 90, Not outs 7, Runs 3897, Average 46.95, Hundreds 12, Fifties 19

Gary Kirsten
Tests 101, Innings 176, Not outs 15, Runs 7289, Average 45.27, Hundreds 21, Fifties 34

Darryl Cullinan
Tests 70, Innings 115, Not outs 12, Runs 4554, Average 44.21, Hundreds 14, Fifties 20

Ashwell Prince
Tests 62, Innings 98, Not outs 16, Runs 3556, Average 43.36, Hundreds 11, Fifties 10

Herschelle Gibbs
Tests 90, Innings 154, Not outs 7, Runs 6167, Average 41.95, Hundreds 14, Fifties 26

Brian McMillan
Tests 38, Innings 62, Not outs 12, Runs 1968, Average 39.36, Hundreds 3, Fifties 13

Kepler Wessels
Tests 16, Innings 29, Not outs 2, Runs 1027, Average 38.03, Hundreds 2, Fifties 6

It is clear from these match averages that Jacques Kallis has not only been our most valuable player as a batsman, but taking into consideration that he has taken close to 300 wickets as well most definitely our most valued player.

I once read in Alan Donald's autobiography where he said, Kallis is not the sharpest tool in the shed. Perhaps it has more to do with his sigleminded dogged determination to focus on the job at hand that makes him percieved as a little blunt.

It is also quite scary to think we don't have 10 batsman in the modern era that acerages more than 40, let alone 45 per innings.

What is very encouraging to see though, is that our top four modern day bastman are all currently still playing for the Proteas. Question remains how long will Kallis still continue?

Worth noting that Amla's average has risen considerably in the last couple of years.
In fact he averages 65.31.

Amla has improved considerbaly in all forms of the game, and it shows that he is vice-captain of the limited overs sides, and a key player in all forms of the game. Im suprised that Cullinan is up there, i always thought he was overrated lol

Possess some tremendous batsmen, do South Africa. Scary when you think that had things been different Kevin Pietersen could have been lining up in that middle order alongside the likes of Amla and ABDV...imagine that.

Cullinan was a real classy player but people often associate him with being Warne's bunny, which is unfair.
Also, Wessels would have had his best years with Australia.

Stella wrote:Worth noting that Amla's average has risen considerably in the last couple of years.
In fact he averages 65.31.

He has been phenominal over the last 18 months, i would think he will end his career with an average over 50.

I still remember how he was criticised regarding his technique when he played his first match for SA, his bat had this diagonal tail wagging thing before bringing the bat in contact with the ball. It hasn't gone completely, but his application is up there with Kallis.

I was watching Amla the other day in the ODI and he does bring his bat down from outside off.
It's working though.

Fists of Fury wrote:Possess some tremendous batsmen, do South Africa. Scary when you think that had things been different Kevin Pietersen could have been lining up in that middle order alongside the likes of Amla and ABDV...imagine that.

The unfortunate fact regarding Pietersen was that his ego became his biggest deterrent even before he went to England, he wasn't even really a recognised batsman in the days at Natal. He always had belief in himself even though it may have been misplaced as a young man. He didn't have the patience to realise he had to prove himself and decided early on that he wasn't going to get an opportunity to play for SA, the biggest problems South Africans had with him was the reasons he advoacted for leaving SA.

But he has done what was best for him and still succeeded on the international stage, even though for another country. you have to respect his determination, even if not the most likeable fellow.

De-Villiers is another player who may go above 50 at some point.

Fists of Fury wrote:Possess some tremendous batsmen, do South Africa. Scary when you think that had things been different Kevin Pietersen could have been lining up in that middle order alongside the likes of Amla and ABDV...imagine that.

Haha, Kp couldn't have got into the saffers side

Gregers wrote:

Fists of Fury wrote:Possess some tremendous batsmen, do South Africa. Scary when you think that had things been different Kevin Pietersen could have been lining up in that middle order alongside the likes of Amla and ABDV...imagine that.

Haha, Kp couldn't have got into the saffers side

:facepalm:

Gregers wrote:

Fists of Fury wrote:Possess some tremendous batsmen, do South Africa. Scary when you think that had things been different Kevin Pietersen could have been lining up in that middle order alongside the likes of Amla and ABDV...imagine that.

Haha, Kp couldn't have got into the saffers side

He would be their best spinner.

Agree with Stella re Cullinan - was a superb batsman when he wasn't facing Warne - still remember his 95 in the innings Malcolm blew the rest of the batting away.

How would he? I would rather have van der Wath than KP.

Anyways he couldn't play 4 because of ABDV, he couldnt play 5 because of Duminy etc etc

Gregers wrote:How would he? I would rather have van der Wath than KP.

Anyways he couldn't play 4 because of ABDV, he couldnt play 5 because of Duminy etc etc

KP>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Duminy(in Tests)
KP>>>ABDV(In Tests)


In ODIs I agree with you.But this is not an ODI thread

How would he? I would rather have van der Wath than KP.

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I was only kidding.

Duminy > KP
ABDV >>>>> KP
Du Plessis > KP

Oh wait i'm using logic such as number of hundreds scored in the last 2 years. Also I didn't see anything in the first post stating this was test only

shankythebiggestengfan wrote:

Gregers wrote:How would he? I would rather have van der Wath than KP.

Anyways he couldn't play 4 because of ABDV, he couldnt play 5 because of Duminy etc etc

KP>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Duminy
KP>>>ABDV(In Tests)


In ODIs I agree with you.But this is not an ODI thread

Oooh, now you are talking with a mouth full of food mate, Pietersen better than de Villiers in tests?

Not so sure about that one.

biltongbek wrote:

shankythebiggestengfan wrote:

Gregers wrote:How would he? I would rather have van der Wath than KP.

Anyways he couldn't play 4 because of ABDV, he couldnt play 5 because of Duminy etc etc

KP>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Duminy
KP>>>ABDV(In Tests)


In ODIs I agree with you.But this is not an ODI thread

Oooh, now you are talking with a mouth full of food mate, Pietersen better than de Villiers in tests?

Not so sure about that one.

Look at their records

Records dont take into account the situation they were batting in or what they add in the field as well.

AB would be in almost everyones (if not everyones) dream team at number 4.

Gregers wrote:Duminy > KP
ABDV >>>>> KP
Du Plessis > KP

Oh wait i'm using logic such as number of hundreds scored in the last 2 years. Also I didn't see anything in the first post stating this was test only

Those averages are of the players are their respective Test averages.

Well my point is valid for tests as well.

Also we could talk about harmony in the dressing room.... more to being a great batsman than averages etc

KP 19 hundreds
AB 12 hundreds

KP 3 doubles
AB 2 doubles

KP averages over 50
AB averages 47.

KP s/r 60 odd
AB s/r 53

KP(As a Test batsman)>>AB

Case closed

Hardly.

Who would I rather watch play? AB
Who plays more attractive shots? AB
Who has shown he has the right attitude to be captain? AB
Who adds more in the field? AB
Who is probably the best number 4 in the world at the moment? AB

Who once had his kit bag chucked through a window by his captain? KP

Both are very good players.

This fence is rather nice.

Gregers wrote:Hardly.

Who has shown he has the right attitude to be captain? AB
Who adds more in the field? AB

I am talking about purely batting.

I prefer to look at them head to head England vs SA

AB avg. 46.45

2 centuries.
6 fifties
1 not out
23 innings

KP average 42.71
2 centuries
2 fifties
14 innings.

AB ruleeeeeeeeeeeeees!

There we are then. AB is better.

Gregers wrote:Hardly.

Who would I rather watch play? AB

Doesnt matter.Who scores more runs is what is more important.No extra runs are awarded for a player who plays elegantly.

biltongbek wrote:I prefer to look at them head to head England vs SA

AB avg. 46.45

2 centuries.
6 fifties
1 not out
23 innings

KP average 42.71
2 centuries
2 fifties
14 innings.

AB ruleeeeeeeeeeeeees!

Why not their stats against Australia?

Gregers wrote:There we are then. AB is better.

You totally undermine your opinion when you say Du Plessis is better.

Gregers wrote:Hardly.

Who is probably the best number 4 in the world at the moment? AB

Being a South African, and being more than biased, there's currently a guy called Tendulkar who bats at 4 and he's slightly decent with the willow.

AB doesnt even bat at 4 Gregers.

[quote="shankythebiggestengfan"]

biltongbek wrote:I prefer to look at them head to head England vs SA

AB avg. 46.45

2 centuries.
6 fifties
1 not out
23 innings

KP average 42.71
2 centuries
2 fifties
14 innings.

AB ruleeeeeeeeeeeeees![/quote}
Why not their stats against Australia?

Becuase when comparing other nations, it is played on different conditions against not always the same bowlers and match situations vary as well.

It is difficult to compare an innings of substance when there is no pressure vs when there are pressure.

and because these stats suit my argument.

shankythebiggestengfan wrote:KP 19 hundreds
AB 12 hundreds

KP 3 doubles
AB 2 doubles

KP averages over 50
AB averages 47.

KP s/r 60 odd
AB s/r 53

KP(As a Test batsman)>>AB

Case closed

Absolute trash, Pietersen was toilet for over 2 years until he scored a double hundred on road in Adelaide. Then he boosted his stats with a 200 and 170 odd vs an India club bowling attack.

Demon Racer wrote:

Gregers wrote:Hardly.

Who is probably the best number 4 in the world at the moment? AB

Being a South African, and being more than biased, there's currently a guy called Tendulkar who bats at 4 and he's slightly decent with the willow.

Yeah, he is not too shabby.

[quote="biltongbek"]

shankythebiggestengfan wrote:

biltongbek wrote:I prefer to look at them head to head England vs SA

AB avg. 46.45

2 centuries.
6 fifties
1 not out
23 innings

KP average 42.71
2 centuries
2 fifties
14 innings.

AB ruleeeeeeeeeeeeees![/quote}
Why not their stats against Australia?

Becuase when comparing other nations, it is played on different conditions against not always the same bowlers and match situations vary as well.

It is difficult to compare an innings of substance when there is no pressure vs when there are pressure.

and because these stats suit my argument.

LOL

I would rather watch Du Plessis play, especially in tests.

How did I forget the little master? And if you had him their then AB would go at 5. Still keeping the "great" KP out of the side.

Shanky your opinion is null after yesterday, you know what I'm talking about

biltongbek wrote:

Demon Racer wrote:

Gregers wrote:Hardly.

Who is probably the best number 4 in the world at the moment? AB

Being a South African, and being more than biased, there's currently a guy called Tendulkar who bats at 4 and he's slightly decent with the willow.

Yeah, he is not too shabby.

Mind you Tendulkar can't score Test hundreds of 60 odd balls, so AB must be better!!!

Demon Racer wrote:

shankythebiggestengfan wrote:KP 19 hundreds
AB 12 hundreds

KP 3 doubles
AB 2 doubles

KP averages over 50
AB averages 47.

KP s/r 60 odd
AB s/r 53

KP(As a Test batsman)>>AB

Case closed

Absolute trash, Pietersen was toilet for over 2 years until he scored a double hundred on road in Adelaide. Then he boosted his stats with a 200 and 170 odd vs an India club bowling attack.

And against these same club bowlers AB failed miserably last year apart form the first Test at Centurion

Gregers wrote:I would rather watch Du Plessis play, especially in tests.

How did I forget the little master? And if you had him their then AB would go at 5. Still keeping the "great" KP out of the side.

Shanky your opinion is null after yesterday, you know what I'm talking about

Gregers wrote:I would rather watch Du Plessis play, especially in tests.

How did I forget the little master? And if you had him their then AB would go at 5. Still keeping the "great" KP out of the side.

Shanky your opinion is null after yesterday, you know what I'm talking about

Demon Racer wrote:

biltongbek wrote:

Demon Racer wrote:

Gregers wrote:Hardly.

Who is probably the best number 4 in the world at the moment? AB

Being a South African, and being more than biased, there's currently a guy called Tendulkar who bats at 4 and he's slightly decent with the willow.

Yeah, he is not too shabby.

Mind you Tendulkar can't score Test hundreds of 60 odd balls, so AB must be better!!!

Not better Demon, just faster.

shankythebiggestengfan wrote:

Demon Racer wrote:

shankythebiggestengfan wrote:KP 19 hundreds
AB 12 hundreds

KP 3 doubles
AB 2 doubles

KP averages over 50
AB averages 47.

KP s/r 60 odd
AB s/r 53

KP(As a Test batsman)>>AB

Case closed

Absolute trash, Pietersen was toilet for over 2 years until he scored a double hundred on road in Adelaide. Then he boosted his stats with a 200 and 170 odd vs an India club bowling attack.

And against these same club bowlers AB failed miserably last year apart form the first Test at Centurion

It just shows you AB didn't use club bowlers to enhance his stats.

Also AB doesn't get out to slow left arm spin every time... cough Yuvraj cough

cricketfan90 wrote:

Gregers wrote:I would rather watch Du Plessis play, especially in tests.

How did I forget the little master? And if you had him their then AB would go at 5. Still keeping the "great" KP out of the side.

Shanky your opinion is null after yesterday, you know what I'm talking about

Gregers
mate why is my opinion null after yesterday?

shankythebiggestengfan wrote:

Demon Racer wrote:

shankythebiggestengfan wrote:KP 19 hundreds
AB 12 hundreds

KP 3 doubles
AB 2 doubles

KP averages over 50
AB averages 47.

KP s/r 60 odd
AB s/r 53

KP(As a Test batsman)>>AB

Case closed

Absolute trash, Pietersen was toilet for over 2 years until he scored a double hundred on road in Adelaide. Then he boosted his stats with a 200 and 170 odd vs an India club bowling attack.

And against these same club bowlers AB failed miserably last year apart form the first Test at Centurion

Flawed again the Shankster, Zaheer Khan played in the 2nd and 3rd Tests and AB showed some respect. Logical.

think about it shanky, think about one of the posts u made on a particular thread yesterday

cricketfan90 wrote:think about it shanky, think about one of the posts u made on a particular thread yesterday

Which?