Worst ref display ever

Well, I know going to get slated on this site, but that was the worst ref I've ever seen.

Any one going to defend him?

really

You can stand in line mate, QF world cup. Bruce Lawrence.

Yes.

Clancy?

Hell no, i didn't see too much wrong with him today. In my opinion he is actually one of the few decent Irish officials, if we'd had Dudley then I'd be goggling how to make a noose!

He could of let the game flow, the the Italians didn''t really give a penalty in a position that warranted an Italian yellow. I thought he was basically fair all round.

The yellow was harsh but Halfpenny did not have to charge into the Parassie who was in the air did he? 1/2p chased after it like a lunatic and got caught out, the blame is all his, and Gatland subbing him before he got back off the bin showed what Gatland thought to be honest.

If you want to see REALLY bad refereeing look at David Wilkinson and Dudley Phillips!

Anyone notice the absence of Rolland this 6N?

He was whistle happy and it disrupted the flow of the game, incorrect yellow card aside he was okay.

Anyone notice the absence of Rolland this 6N?

slartibartfast wrote:Anyone notice the absence of Rolland this 6N?

He is there, but he hasn't refereed in Wales yet, or the Wales national team.

slartibartfast wrote:Anyone notice the absence of Rolland this 6N?

Isnt he reffing England France?

Im surprised he hasnt been given more big games though after the excellent brave decision he made to red Warburton, unlike Barnes who always seems to stuff the big calls despite the best of intentions.

slartibartfast wrote:Anyone notice the absence of Rolland this 6N?

He was the touch judge at the Millenium stadium today wasn't he?

AlynDavies wrote:Clancy?

Hell no, i didn't see too much wrong with him today. In my opinion he is actually one of the few decent Irish officials, if we'd had Dudley then I'd be goggling how to make a noose!

He could of let the game flow, the the Italians didn''t really give a penalty in a position that warranted an Italian yellow. I thought he was basically fair all round.

The yellow was harsh but Halfpenny did not have to charge into the Parassie who was in the air did he? 1/2p chased after it like a lunatic and got caught out, the blame is all his, and Gatland subbing him before he got back off the bin showed what Gatland thought to be honest.

If you want to see REALLY bad refereeing look at David Wilkinson and Dudley Phillips!

What a load of BS...!

Clancy ruined the match for everyone, on the field and in the stands..!

I like a whistle happy ref as long as he picks up all the infringements.

C'mon, that was just putrid. Even the old ladies that have been watching Wales for years were boo'ing

NB . This is not a thread about the yellow card, I was trying to post at half time but the stadium won't let me.

Griff wrote:He was the touch judge at the Millenium stadium today wasn't he?

I noticed Peter Fitzgibbon there, but he is fairly easy to spot, though Rolland as a linesman is different to Rolland the referee. Though I thought he was doing France V England tomorrow?

maestegmafia wrote:What a load of BS...!

Clancy ruined the match for everyone, on the field and in the stands..!

Ok well maybe lets just agree that having had Irish referees all season at the Liberty this season, I have a somewhat different perspective on the quality of Irish reffing than you do...

clancy did ok IMO...

he may have been a bit quick at time to blow the whistle, but he was consistent for both sides.

slartibartfast wrote: Even the old ladies that have been watching Wales for years were boo'ing

Yeah and the welsh have been sore winners and whingers for years. Whats your point?

The booing of the ref was very unsavoury and doesnt reflect well on the crowd. Its not his fault the Italian defence was forcing turnovers and causing the welsh players to hang on to the ball.

AlynDavies wrote:

Griff wrote:He was the touch judge at the Millenium stadium today wasn't he?

I noticed Peter Fitzgibbon there, but he is fairly easy to spot, though Rolland as a linesman is different to Rolland the referee. Though I thought he was doing France V England tomorrow?

maestegmafia wrote:What a load of BS...!

Clancy ruined the match for everyone, on the field and in the stands..!

Ok well maybe lets just agree that having had Irish referees all season at the Liberty this season, I have a somewhat different perspective on the quality of Irish reffing than you do...

No I'm just sick to death of them ruining my rugby with their inadequacy

He was a stickler at the breakdown, but both sided copped it equally. No choice with the yellow - you can't take out a man in the air. Italy defended like demons. The result was an accurate reflection of the game. Except Parisse could have been MoM.

maestegmafia wrote:

AlynDavies wrote:

Griff wrote:He was the touch judge at the Millenium stadium today wasn't he?

I noticed Peter Fitzgibbon there, but he is fairly easy to spot, though Rolland as a linesman is different to Rolland the referee. Though I thought he was doing France V England tomorrow?

maestegmafia wrote:What a load of BS...!

Clancy ruined the match for everyone, on the field and in the stands..!

Ok well maybe lets just agree that having had Irish referees all season at the Liberty this season, I have a somewhat different perspective on the quality of Irish reffing than you do...

No I'm just sick to death of them ruining my rugby with their inadequacy

By them you mean your replacement scrum halves for putting in blocks directly infront of the ref where it couldnt possibly be missed you mean? Widely booed by the crowd for a no brainer call
Take out your frustrations on your team first, then look for other people to blame.

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:

slartibartfast wrote: Even the old ladies that have been watching Wales for years were boo'ing

Yeah and the welsh have been sore winners and whingers for years. Whats your point?

The booing of the ref was very unsavoury and doesnt reflect well on the crowd. Its not his fault the Italian defence was forcing turnovers and causing the welsh players to hang on to the ball.

Get a back bone man, don't live off cliches, open your eyes! Make a decision for yourself instead of pandering to the masses.

maestegmafia wrote:No I'm just sick to death of them ruining my rugby with their inadequacy

We don't have a god given right to stuff Italy by 60 points and score 6 tries mate, they defended for their lives. Wales did everything right, we wore them down, but the unlucky yellow card stopped us putting the icing on the cake.

Look at the positives:

1) Wales won
2) no Welsh player was carried off injured
3) we attacked for 70 minutes of the game, we didnt drain much energy
4) The Welsh scrum was dominant

France have a 6 day turn around before coming to Cardiff, and would of played 3 internationals in 3 weeks.

I'm a very happy Welshman at the moment.

slartibartfast wrote:

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:

slartibartfast wrote: Even the old ladies that have been watching Wales for years were boo'ing

Yeah and the welsh have been sore winners and whingers for years. Whats your point?

The booing of the ref was very unsavoury and doesnt reflect well on the crowd. Its not his fault the Italian defence was forcing turnovers and causing the welsh players to hang on to the ball.

Get a back bone man, don't live off cliches, open your eyes! Make a decision for yourself instead of pandering to the masses.

OK ill do that if you lay off the acid

AlynDavies wrote:

maestegmafia wrote:No I'm just sick to death of them ruining my rugby with their inadequacy

We don't have a god given right to stuff Italy by 60 points and score 6 tries mate, they defended for their lives. Wales did everything right, we wore them down, but the unlucky yellow card stopped us putting the icing on the cake.

Look at the positives:

1) Wales won
2) no Welsh player was carried off injured
3) we attacked for 70 minutes of the game, we didnt drain much energy
4) The Welsh scrum was dominant

France have a 6 day turn around before coming to Cardiff, and would of played 3 internationals in 3 weeks.

I'm a very happy Welshman at the moment.

Alyn you've made my day.

Morgannwg wrote: Alyn you've made my day.

Gets my stamp of approval too. Wales have every chance of taking the slam, even though its one of the tougher games to go. Just need to sort Preistlands head out.

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:Gets my stamp of approval too. Wales have every chance of taking the slam, even though its one of the tougher games to go. Just need to sort Preistlands head out.

Well we could just take it off and stick Stephen Jones one in it's place.

Clancy didn't have to bad of game. In terms of watching as a spectator, he had a nightmare, in terms of the rules of rugby, he was pretty much spot on. Consistent right through, and although I would debate the yellow, simply because 1/2p had eyes only for the ball, went up at almost the same time, came off worse and it was probably the fact he tried to hold his shorts but i'm not complaining. Like Alyn said, injured players got game time, scrum looked impressive against a very strong scrummaging side, and i'm pretty sure our game plan against the French which will see more running rugby. Nice to see Roberts getting on the scoresheet and keep the faith with Preistland, he was basically the reason why we got as far as we did at the WC.

just my take on it, his interpretation of the laws killed the game as a spectacle and what is more frustrating is that it goes against the trend of many other ref's interpretations....

at ruck time how many times do we here 'ruck hands off' thus killing the contest but allowing the attacking flow of the game...

how many times did we hear it today? He allowed a fair contest at the breakdown and was a stickler for making sure the letter of the law was adhered to...

some people prefer the first interpretation others the latter...i am in the former group

He still allowed some serious belly flopping in the rucks, so I don't think he was officiating strictly to the letter of the law.

GavinDragon wrote:just my take on it, his interpretation of the laws killed the game as a spectacle and what is more frustrating is that it goes against the trend of many other ref's interpretations....

at ruck time how many times do we here 'ruck hands off' thus killing the contest but allowing the attacking flow of the game...

how many times did we hear it today? He allowed a fair contest at the breakdown and was a stickler for making sure the letter of the law was adhered to...

some people prefer the first interpretation others the latter...i am in the former group

The job of the referee is not to provide a spectacle- that is up to the players. The referee played to the book and the laws of the game. I really don't see that as being a 'bad' referee [not that I am picking on you for saying this as I know that's not what you said]

GavinDragon wrote:just my take on it, his interpretation of the laws killed the game as a spectacle and what is more frustrating is that it goes against the trend of many other ref's interpretations....

at ruck time how many times do we here 'ruck hands off' thus killing the contest but allowing the attacking flow of the game...

how many times did we hear it today? He allowed a fair contest at the breakdown and was a stickler for making sure the letter of the law was adhered to...

some people prefer the first interpretation others the latter...i am in the former group

Sure but I think if Halfpenny had not got yellow carded and we had got 2 more tries as a result, the same people who are unhappy would of said we wore them down, and killed them off when they were tired.

Italy only take 1 beating a year and Ireland gave it to them, so it was unlikely we would really smash them too.

First half I thought he was good and fair last 20 he seemed to lose the plot a bit.

Even if Clancy was poor (I didnt see the match) I am willing to bet my right arm it was not the worst ref display in the last 12 months - never mind ever.

Thats just silly exaggeration and makes it hard to take your point seriosly.

So it's 'Wales win rugby game, welsh guy blames ref" then.

Personally I prefer ref-bashing confined to the losing side.

If you're talking about the yellow - it was always going to be a yellow.

Clancy pinged everything, so I'll take that. That's down to our Captain and our coaches to make us whiter than White in my view. To be fair to Clancy, he set his stall out early so that's down to us to wise up to it.

Was it a yellow? Maybe not, but I guarantee if the roles were reversed we'd be wanting yellow for Parisse

Risca Rev wrote:Clancy pinged everything, so I'll take that. That's down to our Captain and our coaches to make us whiter than White in my view. To be fair to Clancy, he set his stall out early so that's down to us to wise up to it.

Was it a yellow? Maybe not, but I guarantee if the roles were reversed we'd be wanting yellow for Parisse

Here here Rev, can't argue with that at all, had a heated debate with someone in the pub saying he would never have called for an Italian to be binned is roles reversed - borad won't let me sat what I said to him lol

AlynDavies wrote:

maestegmafia wrote:No I'm just sick to death of them ruining my rugby with their inadequacy

We don't have a god given right to stuff Italy by 60 points and score 6 tries mate, they defended for their lives. Wales did everything right, we wore them down, but the unlucky yellow card stopped us putting the icing on the cake.

Look at the positives:

1) Wales won
2) no Welsh player was carried off injured
3) we attacked for 70 minutes of the game, we didnt drain much energy
4) The Welsh scrum was dominant

France have a 6 day turn around before coming to Cardiff, and would of played 3 internationals in 3 weeks.

I'm a very happy Welshman at the moment.

You are talking out your backside..!

Territory, pocession all Wales. Italy over one hundred tackles more than Wales. Penalty count was apparently 13 all...!

Find one game in the history of rugby that's ever had those stats.

The ref was technically correct, but if you look hard enough you'll find a pen at every breakdown. Didn't let the game flow at all

I only saw one occasion where the ref didn't penalise a player for sealing off - and it lead to the Welsh try....

nobbled wrote:I only saw one occasion where the ref didn't penalise a player for sealing off - and it lead to the Welsh try....

Well it was very hard to stay awake once it was obvious Clancy considered himself more important than the rugby match he was adjudicating.

maestegmafia wrote:You are talking out your backside..!

Territory, pocession all Wales. Italy over one hundred tackles more than Wales. Penalty count was apparently 13 all...!

Find one game in the history of rugby that's ever had those stats.

SA 75% territory - Australia 25% territory
SA 67% possession - Australia 33% possession
SA meters ran 488 - Australia meters ran 284
SA break and defenders beaten 14 - Australia breaks and defenders beaten 7
SA offloads 17 - Australia offloads 5
SA tackles 54 - Australia 151
Sa turnovers conceded 24 - Australia turn overs conceded 11
SA penalties 4 - australia penalties 5
Sa line outs lost 0 - Australia line outs lost 5
SA scrums lost 0 - Australia scrums lost 1

SA penalties conceded before QF 34 - Australia 41

When SA were playing with less than 40% of the territory and possession against Wales they got penalsed twice as much as Wales.
When Namibia had little possession against SA they got penalised 3 times as much as SA
when Australia had less than 50% possession and territory against Ireland they had 1.5 times as many penalties conceded as Ireland

maestegmafia wrote:You are talking out your backside..!

Ok I'm going to give this topic a miss then

biltongbek wrote:

maestegmafia wrote:You are talking out your backside..!

Territory, pocession all Wales. Italy over one hundred tackles more than Wales. Penalty count was apparently 13 all...!

Find one game in the history of rugby that's ever had those stats.

SA 75% territory - Australia 25% territory
SA 67% possession - Australia 33% possession
SA meters ran 488 - Australia meters ran 284
SA break and defenders beaten 14 - Australia breaks and defenders beaten 7
SA offloads 17 - Australia offloads 5
SA tackles 54 - Australia 151
Sa turnovers conceded 24 - Australia turn overs conceded 11
SA penalties 4 - australia penalties 5
Sa line outs lost 0 - Australia line outs lost 5
SA scrums lost 0 - Australia scrums lost 1

SA penalties conceded before QF 34 - Australia 41

When SA were playing with less than 40% of the territory and possession against Wales they got penalsed twice as much as Wales.
When Namibia had little possession against SA they got penalised 3 times as much as SA
when Australia had less than 50% possession and territory against Ireland they had 1.5 times as many penalties conceded as Ireland

Yep, that was singely the worst referee performance i have ever seen. I have never seen a ref, ref a team out of a match as badly as he did against SA.

Wales   Italy
2 Tries 0
1 from 2 Conversion goals 0 from 0
4 from 4 Penalty goals 1 from 1
83.3% Kick at goal success 100.0%
0 Dropped goals 0

Kick/pass/run
29 Kicks from hand 38
182 Passes 81
113 Runs 62
438 Metres run with ball 163

Attacking
62% Possession 38%
68% Territory 32%
7 Clean breaks 0
15 Defenders beaten 1
7 Offloads 4
96 from 108 (88.9%) Rucks won 49 from 56 (87.5%)
5 from 5 (100.0%) Mauls won 3 from 3 (100.0%)
14 Turnovers conceded 11

Defensive
48/1 Tackles made/missed 133/15
98.0% Tackling success rate 89.9%

Set pieces
4 won, 0 lost (100.0%) Scrums on own feed 5 won, 2 lost (71.4%)
12 won, 2 lost (85.7%) Lineouts on own throw 12 won, 3 lost (80.0%)

Discipline
13 Penalties conceded 13

red_stag wrote:Even if Clancy was poor (I didnt see the match) I am willing to bet my right arm it was not the worst ref display in the last 12 months - never mind ever.

Thats just silly exaggeration and makes it hard to take your point seriosly.

How can you judge if you didn't see the match?

C'mon guys, just be truthful to your eyes

start i have seen so many worse reffed games- a 21 pooints victory was about right , the better team won. he made a few errors, but what ever you think - almost half the games at the RWC 2011 were worsely reffed than that one!! and they cost the better teams as well!

Clancy should be tried for crimes against rugby, feel so sorry for the paying fans,
they went to watch a game of rugby not a man mince around and ignore the breakdown and reset scrums.

Well done Wales maturity shone through in the end and still come away with the win

Congats view, now go on and win the GS mate

im not a fan of Clancy, very pedantic and I don't rate him at the breakdown, but he is a lot better than Fitzgibbon. Still, Rolland is by far and away the best Irish official.

Being a Scot, Wayne Barnes is definitely not my most favourite ref

JLyall wrote:im not a fan of Clancy, very pedantic and I don't rate him at the breakdown, but he is a lot better than Fitzgibbon. Still, Rolland is by far and away the best Irish official.

Being a Scot, Wayne Barnes is definitely not my most favourite ref

jeebus... really

He is French