England vs Ireland match discussion thread

[Adam D]

First topic message reminder :

Last game of this years 6 Nations.

Discuss it here.

[ultra]

Never seen us play this badly. It's God awful.

i think its time people started giving england some credit- thats what we hear every game, its hard to play when a team is in your face like this england one. the dominance shown in the physicality is making you make mistakes.

This is the only thing that winds me up about these forums.....france were awful, wales just managed to win despite being awful, ireland are awful.....surely you seemingly intelligent fellas can see a common denominator here?

[Gibson]

Never seen us play this badly. It's God awful.

i think its time people started giving england some credit- thats what we hear every game, its hard to play when a team is in your face like this england one. the dominance shown in the physicality is making you make mistakes.

Ah Mysti, not knocking England man.Just pished off with Ireland. I think you have a great young team. Great future. Be proud.

[GunsGerms]

England is simply murdering Ireland in the scrums.

You know why? Mike Ross injured early on is our most important player.

[trebellbobaggins]

Nah Wales were slightly on top and lucky to win let's be fair. They deserve the gs though.

[Gibson]

Yeah Ross is so key. And we need to get decent backup for him. Court is clearly not up to it. Game-changing.

[ultra]

Cole had ross too in fairness.....

[mystiroakey]

brilliant win!

[niwatts]

Has anyone told England trying to get the 38 point margin is pointless?

But it will give them more ground in the irb rankings and every decimal could count by the end of the year for the 2015 WC pool placings.

[trebellbobaggins]

Fantastic win, so unexpected.

[GunsGerms]

Well done England. Well deserved. Happy Paddys day. Hopefully Lancaster is retained and we can appoint mallet.

Bye bye kidney

[Biltong]

Well done, england that was rather impressive.

[Shifty]

Well done England, just like the old days forwards miles on top. Ireland pack looks a joke in this game, Wales were way on top of this England scrum!

Thats what suprised me as well, we had the beating of the English scrum, yet the Irish one was mullered today.

[eirebilly]

Well done England. Better team prformance today

[trebellbobaggins]

And to you Leinster, have a lovely paddies day.

[The Great Aukster]

Kidney really has to go. His selections have been poor and he sends he guys out with zero gameplan. Let's face it this England team have got a decent pack and a good kicker but that's it.
Kidney really has to go.

[nobbled]

I was wrong -

[Sgt_Pooly]

We were murdering the scrum before Ross went off.

1-15 England better, complete hammering. Ireland didn't turn up, loved Croft dominating the so called world class Ferris. He'll love that after been on the opposite end a few times.

[Notch]

Well done England, just like the old days forwards miles on top. Ireland pack looks a joke in this game, Wales were way on top of this England scrum!

Thats what suprised me as well, we had the beating of the English scrum, yet the Irish one was mullered today.

Well thats what we get for only having one tighthead in our 22. Once Mike Ross went off injured we all knew what was coming.

Congratulations England, well deserved

[Guest]

Well, I wasn't expecting that! Awesome England scrum (and forwards in general). Morgan is immense - thank jeebus he's English

Ireland? Well, we owed you one after you've shamed us a LOT recently!

If Lancaster doesn't stay I'll be annoyed big time.

Swing low!

[Hood83]

Given the grief we got about last year's performance against Ireland, it's going to be difficult for me to be magnanimous about this. Particularly with my Irish housemate

[GunsGerms]

Kidney really has to go. His selections have been poor and he sends he guys out with zero gameplan. Let's face it this England team have got a decent pack and a good kicker but that's it.
Kidney really has to go.

Why bring on Oleary at 50 minutes? The mind boggles. Scrum was the problem but still.

[Portnoy]

It was an absolutely shocking implosion of Irish dog.

They just capitulated.

[EnglishReign]

What. A. Win. Can't believe Morgan will be at the Glaws next season! Happy days. Nice to see Youngsy back on form too.

Unlucky Ireland, hope your fans still have a good Paddy's night

[GunsGerms]

We were murdering the scrum before Ross went off.

1-15 England better, complete hammering. Ireland didn't turn up, loved Croft dominating the so called world class Ferris. He'll love that after been on the opposite end a few times.

Calm down, Ross clearly injured plus Croft is very good but he didn't exactly dominate Ferris. England did thoroughly dominate Ireland though and deserved the win.

[Gibson]

Back to the HC for us Leinster boys. And with a decent coach who knows how disassemble the best in Europe.

[alcoombe]

Well done England, just like the old days forwards miles on top. Ireland pack looks a joke in this game, Wales were way on top of this England scrum!

Thats what suprised me as well, we had the beating of the English scrum,

What game were you guys watching? There was no scrum dominance by either side in that game.

No scrums lost by Wales or England. The Welsh front row conceded 2 penalties and the English 3.

[Shifty]

It was an absolutely shocking implosion of Irish dog.

They just capitulated.

Don't forget they did play the extra game against France, these Irish players are used to playing 2 weeks then having 1 off, they have played 3 hard games on the trot, they must be exausted.

[Portnoy]

It was an absolutely shocking implosion of Irish dog.

They just capitulated.

Don't forget they did play the extra game against France, these Irish players are used to playing 2 weeks then having 1 off, they have played 3 hard games on the trot, they must be exausted.

Shocking that gym monkeys can't be fit...

[trebellbobaggins]

There's me thinking us being so bad in Europe this year matters. Clearly not a jot.

[Shifty]

Shocking that gym monkeys can't be fit...

Your can almost hear bones shatter in rugby when these guys clash into each other, I don't blame the Irish for being tired.

[Pot Hale]

Congrats England. A thoroughly deserved victory against a team that was decidedly second best.

Getting rid of Kidney is not the answer to Ireland's problems. They simply don't have the cattle to compete in key positions. The absence of O'Connell and O'Driscoll only adds to this point. The shortage of decent props and a decent scrum decided this match - it was men against boys from early on.

The departure of Ross doesn't bode well for Leinster and the remainder of their season. This defeat and the overall poor performance in the 6N will weigh heavily on European campaigns.

Ireland are definitely in the lower tier of the 6N for now. Congrats to England on another brilliant Championship - probably the best team this season. Hope it goes well for them in SA.

New Zealand, meanwile, must be chuckling quietly......

[ultra]

Well done England, just like the old days forwards miles on top. Ireland pack looks a joke in this game, Wales were way on top of this England scrum!

Thats what suprised me as well, we had the beating of the English scrum,

What game were you guys watching? There was no scrum dominance by either side in that game.

No scrums lost by Wales or England. The Welsh front row conceded 2 penalties and the English 3.

I think we're talking to wingers here I don't remember the english scrum being 'bettered' in any game....I even posted in a lively discussion about scrummaging just prior to the wales game. This england pack will be unbeatable soon, and in fairness hasn't been beaten yet. The welsh front row just about had parity with some unusual binding by jones. But hey ho, you sees whatcha wanna!! (oh...and we've got almost twenty years on 'em)

[Cowshot]

Woohoo!

Didn't expect that! Tight five mullering!

Look, sorry Ireland, but honest I haven't seen a scrum destroyed - and I mean DESTROYED like that in years!

Why do the Irish only appear to have 7 men on the field? Because the other eight are underneath the English pack!

Tiiiiigers! Tiiiiiiigers! Ooops sorry hic!

Oh, and MASSIVE credit to the Irish for not going uncontested. Takes men...

[Taylorman]

Congrats England. A thoroughly deserved victory against a team that was decidedly second best.

Getting rid of Kidney is not the answer to Ireland's problems. They simply don't have the cattle to compete in key positions.
New Zealand, meanwile, must be chuckling quietly......

Not really Pot. Its not good for anyone if thats the form Ireland will bring here.

Hansen may be chuckling as it means his debut as coach might be a little easier and he may be able blood some youngsters as weve many all of a sudden putting their hands up.

But for Ireland to send a new coach with a below par team would be tragic for whoever that is.

I can see the tour being relegated to seconds in terms of priority. Pity as the Wales and English tours now look to be very competitive.

[Rava]

It was an absolutely shocking implosion of Irish dog.

They just capitulated.

Gloat if you want Portnoy. That's twice I've seen a team destroyed this season. The other time was at Ravenhill in January

[Taylorman]

Well done England with a display that proves England are moving in the right direction. Last year both on and off the field the team were poor at best.

Hopefully this turnaround is largely due to the new coach and key pkayers taking a good look at themselves. I thought England were on an upward curve when they dealt to oz a couple of years ago in the AI's.

Trouble is they seem to think so too and the wheels fell off somewhere. Same thing seems to have happened to Ireland since the wcup match vs oz.

That scrum effort reflected real discipline and resolve to get it to that effort so the signs are looking very good.

A England Wales match next week would be interesting such is the improvement rate of this squad.

Oz and SA can look forward to some great matches based on the last few weeks.

Well done.

[trebellbobaggins]

It was an absolutely shocking implosion of Irish dog.

They just capitulated.

Gloat if you want Portnoy. That's twice I've seen a team destroyed this season. The other time was at Ravenhill in January

Yup and are we not glad that Eng turned away from those under-performers who had me so angry early this year. Not good enough then or now.

[SimonofSurrey]

Well done England, just like the old days forwards miles on top. Ireland pack looks a joke in this game, Wales were way on top of this England scrum!

Thats what suprised me as well, we had the beating of the English scrum, yet the Irish one was mullered today.

What you have to remember is that teams improve with international experience. By the time this England scrum took the field today, they had played twice as many games together (4) as when they played Wales last month at HQ (2)

[GunsGerms]

Congrats England. A thoroughly deserved victory against a team that was decidedly second best.

Getting rid of Kidney is not the answer to Ireland's problems. They simply don't have the cattle to compete in key positions. The absence of O'Connell and O'Driscoll only adds to this point. The shortage of decent props and a decent scrum decided this match - it was men against boys from early on.

The departure of Ross doesn't bode well for Leinster and the remainder of their season. This defeat and the overall poor performance in the 6N will weigh heavily on European campaigns.

Ireland are definitely in the lower tier of the 6N for now

Lower tier? Ireland finished third out of six.

[Notch]

Middle tier. There are three distinct tiers.

Wales, England

Ireland, France

Italy, Scotland

[Sgt_Pooly]

I personally think Wales, England, Ireland & France are pretty even and could all beat each other their day.

I just think England and Wales have a little more direction

[Portnoy]

It was an absolutely shocking implosion of Irish dog.

They just capitulated.

Gloat if you want Portnoy. That's twice I've seen a team destroyed this season. The other time was at Ravenhill in January

Yup and are we not glad that Eng turned away from those under-performers who had me so angry early this year. Not good enough then or now.

I wasn't gloating Rava.

I was genuinely shocked how the whole team lost heart after the front five were dismantled.

[Cowshot]

It was an absolutely shocking implosion of Irish dog.

They just capitulated.

Gloat if you want Portnoy. That's twice I've seen a team destroyed this season. The other time was at Ravenhill in January

Yup and are we not glad that Eng turned away from those under-performers who had me so angry early this year. Not good enough then or now.

I wasn't gloating Rava.

I was genuinely shocked how the whole team lost heart after the front five were dismantled.

I think you've probably got it right there: the Irish team didn't expect this and had gone into shock.

Did anyone predict this? I certainly didn't. I think the last time I saw this sort of destruction was Tigers/Wasps a few seasons back in the Premiership! Internationally? Er...

[Hookisms and Hyperbole]

England vs Australia is the 2007 World Cup springs to mind. Based once again on a devastating scrum.

Post match passions run high so I will refrain from posting as it will descend into hyperbole. Worst display of any Irish team, and I have been a proper fan since the late 80s/early 90s so I have seem some turgid tripe. Ruined my St Patricks Day. I'm sober now which is a crime. Well done to England and a monster performance from their front row. If Lancaster doesn't get the England job then the RFU is even more unfit for purpose that I thought.

[lostinwales]

Hard to remember a game where the ball was dropped so many times (by both teams) - of which Croft (after a fantastic break it has to be said) was probably the pick. Given that every time it happened it meant scrum time you have to wonder if England started just dropping the ball for the hell of it

[Taffineastbourne]

Very poor from Ireland up front.With the mayhem in front of them their much vaunted backrow evaporated.The substitutions added precisely nothing.Cannot remember a worse performance by Ireland.
England appeared great upfront but poor behind the scrum.Same old same old.May have been Dickson's last cap,poor fella had a mare.Farrell looks like a 10 that suits the English game.Cole was very impressive.Papers will rave about Morgan but Cole did it for England today.

[mystiroakey]

yeah its allways the other side playing bad or having there worst game ever taffy!

[Taffineastbourne]

yeah its allways the other side playing bad or having there worst game ever taffy!

That is our experience,mystir.

[mystiroakey]

yep i know it is, sadly!

[lostinwales]

Would have been nice to have given motm to the front row as a unit but Cole was the pick and has been great all championship. Cant really argue with Morgan as he was great all the way through the game.

Farrell - some of the kicking was sublime but he did seem to kick it away a lot. But then given the conditions and Ireland being so kind as to hand the ball back at every opportunity maybe it wasnt so dumb.

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