Irish Summer Tour Squad

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RELAND SUMMER TOUR SQUAD (New Zealand 2012):

Backs (13):

Darren Cave (Belfast Harlequins/Ulster)
Gordon D'Arcy (Lansdowne/Leinster)
Keith Earls (Young Munster/Munster)
Rob Kearney (UCD/Leinster)
Fergus McFadden (Old Belvedere/Leinster)
Conor Murray (Garryowen/Munster)
Brian O'Driscoll (UCD/Leinster) (capt)
Ronan O'Gara (Cork Constitution/Munster)
Eoin Reddan (Lansdowne/Leinster)
Jonathan Sexton (St. Mary's College/Leinster)
Andrew Trimble (Ballymena/Ulster)
Simon Zebo (Cork Constitution/Munster) *
AN Other

Forwards (16):

Rory Best (Banbridge/Ulster)
Sean Cronin (St. Mary's College/Leinster)
Stephen Ferris (Dungannon/Ulster)
Declan Fitzpatrick (Dungannon/Ulster) *
Cian Healy (Clontarf/Leinster)
Jamie Heaslip (Naas/Leinster)
Sean O'Brien (Clontarf/Leinster)
Donncha O'Callaghan (Cork Constitution/Munster)
Peter O'Mahony (Cork Constitution/Munster)
Mike Ross (Clontarf/Leinster)
Donnacha Ryan (Shannon/Munster)
Mike Sherry (Garryowen/Munster) *
Dan Tuohy (Ballymena/Ulster)
AN Other
AN Other
AN Other

Feckless - what planet have you being living on to not know why Sexton is not liked in Munster. If you genuinely don't know let me know and I'll pm you why rather than bringing it up here.

Totally agree fly.

I think too much is made about splits in the camp though. Every team has cliques and divisions. Manu Tuilagi nearly took Ashtons head off FFS!

Its cohesion on the pitch which matters. I disliked 75% of the people I played rugby with off the field but I'd have run through a brick wall for everyone of them on it.

I don't see any lack of passion in the Ireland camp.

I think the media isn't THAT much to blame. I'm sure the players dont read the papers or watch the news about themselves anyway.

Did everyone read the interview with Trimble about how he started every warm up game last summer. Many said he was one of the few Ireland players who looked good. Off to NZ, Earls only back from injury with little game time. Sorry Andrew, you are off the team. Trimble says he went up to his hotel room and cried.

Is Trimble really going to go out again full of confidence and play his natural game? It would take tremendous mental strength and probably arrogance to not be affacted by that kind of management.

Sin é wrote:Feckless - what planet have you being living on to not know why Sexton is not liked in Munster. If you genuinely don't know let me know and I'll pm you why rather than bringing it up here.

There is no excuse for not supporting your own players. If Sexton plays for Ireland he's an Ireland player not a Leinster player.

Sin é wrote:Feckless - what planet have you being living on to not know why Sexton is not liked in Munster. If you genuinely don't know let me know and I'll pm you why rather than bringing it up here.

Because he replaced O'Gara.. but that is childish if Munster fans are huffy about him playing for Ireland.

PM me the reason Sin, i am a Munster fan and i have no idea why he is supposodly disliked in Munster...

rodders wrote:

Sin é wrote:Feckless - what planet have you being living on to not know why Sexton is not liked in Munster. If you genuinely don't know let me know and I'll pm you why rather than bringing it up here.

There is no excuse for not supporting your own players. If Sexton plays for Ireland he's an Ireland player not a Leinster player.

You really don't know why he isn't liked in Munster? Its nothing got to do with who he plays for.

eirebilly wrote:PM me the reason Sin, i am a Munster fan and i have no idea why he is supposodly disliked in Munster...

Agree with this. I dont understand it either

Just say it for goodness sake, did he bang ROGs sister or wha?

Is it because he screamed at O'Gara in the 2009 Final

Or is it because his family is from Kerry but he's Leinsturrr to the core?

Come on Sin, don't leave us in suspense man!

PM me to Sin e. I don't know why Munster fans don't like him.

Sin é wrote:

rodders wrote:

Sin é wrote:Feckless - what planet have you being living on to not know why Sexton is not liked in Munster. If you genuinely don't know let me know and I'll pm you why rather than bringing it up here.

There is no excuse for not supporting your own players. If Sexton plays for Ireland he's an Ireland player not a Leinster player.

You really don't know why he isn't liked in Munster? Its nothing got to do with who he plays for.

No Sin, I don't care why he isn't liked in Munster, theres no excuse for anyone not cheering their own players.

I'll take a PM too then Sin, unless my reason it correct. Seems you might as well post it on here, nobody knows but you..

OK - since so many don't seem to know, the reason is for a vicious kick to Mafi's head when he tackled him a bit hard (it wasn't an illegal tackle) and which Sexton was cited for and then we have this rather ugle scene in Munster's loss in Croke Park.

http://www.google.ie/imgres?q=sexton+o%27gara&hl=en&sa=X&biw=1279&bih=826&tbm=isch&prmd=imvnsfd&tbnid=f78mhnKSGzExmM:&imgrefurl=http://www.sportsfile.com/id/350307/&docid=-UVvhw_YCamRsM&imgurl=http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/watermarked/Library/SF489/350307.jpg&w=540&h=410&ei=_Xy7T8aAKISBhQegndTtCA&zoom=1

Even George hasnt mentioned it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cxhML6vhsI

I guess we should all hate Quinlan then for his gouging? And O'Driscoll for punching Chris Henry?

That is ridiculous Sin. Grow up man.

Thats it? Hell i dont hate him for that. Its a Rugby match and a semi final, emotions were high...

clivemcl wrote:Did everyone read the interview with Trimble about how he started every warm up game last summer. Many said he was one of the few Ireland players who looked good. Off to NZ, Earls only back from injury with little game time. Sorry Andrew, you are off the team. Trimble says he went up to his hotel room and cried.

That was shocking, Trimble was in some of the form of his career at that point. Earls didn't have to do anything to win the shirt back.

And the irony of it is? Trimble will start every test match most likely. But he's been the worse of our two wingers. Gilroy and Zebo are in better form; when he's off form, he's an automatic pick. He should be dropped this summer and he should have been picked in the RWC.

Jeebus, we're meant to hate him??? Give over.

At least I now know where all the criticism that Sexton gets from Sin/DOD comes from. Basically it is just a few huffing Munster fans.

I cheer just as hard for Sexton as i do for every player that pulls on the green jersy.

Rory_Gallagher wrote:I guess we should all hate Quinlan then for his gouging? And O'Driscoll for punching Chris Henry?

That is ridiculous Sin. Grow up man.

+ 1

he lashed out at a man who has attemped to decapitate his team mates on a regular basis.

just the kind of player i like.

I thought that it was going to be something serious, like he had stolen all of our sexy sheep away. Now that would be grounds for any Culchie to hate

eirebilly wrote:Thats it? Hell i dont hate him for that. Its a Rugby match and a semi final, emotions were high...

i kind of hate him for it though. But I'm an ulster fan, it wouldnt take much after Saturday.

I just knew it was going to be something unbelievably petty and trivial...

Remember John Hayes stamped on Cian Healys head, I think it was? You'd find it hard to find anyone who holds it against him. Shoite happens. NO excuse not to support a player when he pulls on a green shirt.

red_stag wrote:Jeebus, we're meant to hate him??? Give over.

Who mentioned hate! Just said he isn't liked in Munster because he seems to have a nasty streak about him.

For those of you who mention Quinlan - Quinlan never kicked anyone in the head just because he didn't like the tackle.

And then we have to put up with Billy Keane (Sexton's godfather) preaching to us regularly that he really is a nice lad with Kerry roots (ah sure he is one of our own Poopie!) and to go easy on him.

" in some ways it is, someways it isn't"

"in what ways is it?"

"someways"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNzpBJzCOGI

You bitter, bitter boy!

haha the mind boggles.

i gave hayes a bit of stick for losing the plot and stamping on healy at that game. i have however the upmost respect for him as a player and he is a munster and ireland legend.

if i met him in a bar i would shake his hand and thank him for his services to irish rugby. quinlan was an absolute blaggard on the pitch but he would get the same treatment. begrudging respect for quinny but respect nonetheless

Sin, i apologise for this but i do believe that you would be in the minority of fans from Munster who disliked Sexton for your afore mentioned reasons. Personally, i have a lot of respect for him and as i said earlier, cheer just as hard for him as for any player from any province who pulls the green jersy on and plays for Ireland.

You have every right to your own opinion but please dont assosiate the rest of Munster with your opinion, you dont represent us all

ok then for the very small % of sexton hating bitter munster fans

shout at johnny at munster v leinster games to your hearts content but knock it off when you are supporting ireland

thanks in advance.

The media silence on the Irish coaching teams performance and on the Ireland team is very strange. Very Strange. They're pretty much ignoring our results and performances.

We keep getting headlines like

"Irish Heroes March On To Storm Twickenham"

and I just read it in disbeleif thinking, "but we're not going to storm Twickenham. We're playing cr@p. We've lost 5 of our last 7 games!.

Irish fan forums, blogs and callers and texters into radio shows are hopping mad with rage at how Kidney has the team playing. But very very few of our journalists even float the idea that the coaches might not be doing a perfect job.

I've heard people on hear say they reckon Thornley is just the mouthpiece of the IRFU in return for access to team information. Maybe after the anti-EOS media capaign, the IRFU have given more media access to the team and management, in return for more favourable treatment?

eirebilly wrote:Sin, i apologise for this but i do believe that you would be in the minority of fans from Munster who disliked Sexton for your afore mentioned reasons. Personally, i have a lot of respect for him and as i said earlier, cheer just as hard for him as for any player from any province who pulls the green jersy on and plays for Ireland.

You have every right to your own opinion but please dont assosiate the rest of Munster with your opinion, you dont represent us all

Billy, I know you are a bit clueless about Munster support if you had no inkling was but why Sexton is not popular with the masses, why does his godfather in an national newspaper feel the need to tell us what a nice lad he is really every time Sexton plays for Ireland.

And Billy, Sexton doesn't have too many fans on munsterfans for some reason. He has close enough connections to Munster rugby (his uncle Willie played for Garryowen, Munster & Ireland and has a pub in the town).

I don't like him (or rate him) because of that nasty, vicious streak in him. I don't rate him because as an outhalf, if he can't control himself, he isn't going to control the game when things are not going his way.

Now, I wonder is Sexton the only outhalf ever to have been cited?

dublin_dave wrote:ok then for the very small % of sexton hating bitter munster fans

shout at johnny at munster v leinster games to your hearts content but knock it off when you are supporting ireland

thanks in advance.

+ 1

It just shows that a large portion of Munster fans are not really Munster fans. Really spiteful stuff I have heard regarding Sexton a Ireland matches. I had to tell one woman to "sit her fat hole" down she was screaming little barstuart at Sexton during an Ireland game.

Some of these people should be barred from rugby and shot with balls of their own poopie.

Oh and Munsterfans website? Vile stuff indeed. Back to the GAA with them. Rugby doesn't need rabble like that.

Sin have you tried Cammomile tea man? maybe some anger management classes? A stress ball? .......

BoyneRFC wrote:Oh and Munsterfans website? Vile stuff indeed. Back to the GAA with them. Rugby doesn't need rabble like that.

I wouldn't judge the rest of the GAA on Meath GAA standards, Boyne

dublin_dave wrote:he lashed out at a man who has attemped to decapitate his team mates on a regular basis.

just the kind of player i like.

Mafi didn't start that lark of high tackles until after that incident

Sexton was the one cited

Can anyone recall any outhalf ever been cited before?

Ah Sin grow up man! Go and start another thread about Sexton and we'll go and slag him in there.

Sin é wrote:

eirebilly wrote:Sin, i apologise for this but i do believe that you would be in the minority of fans from Munster who disliked Sexton for your afore mentioned reasons. Personally, i have a lot of respect for him and as i said earlier, cheer just as hard for him as for any player from any province who pulls the green jersy on and plays for Ireland.

You have every right to your own opinion but please dont assosiate the rest of Munster with your opinion, you dont represent us all

Billy, I know you are a bit clueless about Munster support if you had no inkling was but why Sexton is not popular with the masses, why does his godfather in an national newspaper feel the need to tell us what a nice lad he is really every time Sexton plays for Ireland.

And Billy, Sexton doesn't have too many fans on munsterfans for some reason. He has close enough connections to Munster rugby (his uncle Willie played for Garryowen, Munster & Ireland and has a pub in the town).

I don't like him (or rate him) because of that nasty, vicious streak in him. I don't rate him because as an outhalf, if he can't control himself, he isn't going to control the game when things are not going his way.

Now, I wonder is Sexton the only outhalf ever to have been cited?

Now Sin, i didnt get personal with you like you have with me. I am simply asking you not to assosiate your personal opinion with that of all Munster fans, of which i am a proud one.

I know of his ties to Munster, i know of his uncle and godfather so you dont have to lecture me. I just choose to have grace and not despise someone simply because he represents another province. Thats my personal view.

When he plays for Ireland, he plays for Ireland.

dublin_dave wrote:ok then for the very small % of sexton hating bitter munster fans

shout at johnny at munster v leinster games to your hearts content but knock it off when you are supporting ireland

thanks in advance.

Billy Keane does it regularly in the Indo so no need for you to

haha love it sin. the excitement about the removal of the square ball has reached feverpitch in the royal. mark ward is working on muscles on the soles of his feet to play full forward and hit the 6ft10 mark

i have seen some cringe worthy behaviour from fans of all provinces but dont take it to personally. too much drink is the driving factor. it happens. just hate seeing it at ireland games when were all meant to be on the same side

Jeebus I'd love to put Sin é and Portnoy in a room together.

Then throw away the key

eirebilly wrote:Sin, i apologise for this but i do believe that you would be in the minority of fans from Munster who disliked Sexton for your afore mentioned reasons. Personally, i have a lot of respect for him and as i said earlier, cheer just as hard for him as for any player from any province who pulls the green jersy on and plays for Ireland.

You have every right to your own opinion but please dont assosiate the rest of Munster with your opinion, you dont represent us all

Agree with this entirely.

eirebilly wrote:

Sin é wrote:

eirebilly wrote:Sin, i apologise for this but i do believe that you would be in the minority of fans from Munster who disliked Sexton for your afore mentioned reasons. Personally, i have a lot of respect for him and as i said earlier, cheer just as hard for him as for any player from any province who pulls the green jersy on and plays for Ireland.

You have every right to your own opinion but please dont assosiate the rest of Munster with your opinion, you dont represent us all

Billy, I know you are a bit clueless about Munster support if you had no inkling was but why Sexton is not popular with the masses, why does his godfather in an national newspaper feel the need to tell us what a nice lad he is really every time Sexton plays for Ireland.

And Billy, Sexton doesn't have too many fans on munsterfans for some reason. He has close enough connections to Munster rugby (his uncle Willie played for Garryowen, Munster & Ireland and has a pub in the town).

I don't like him (or rate him) because of that nasty, vicious streak in him. I don't rate him because as an outhalf, if he can't control himself, he isn't going to control the game when things are not going his way.

Now, I wonder is Sexton the only outhalf ever to have been cited?

Now Sin, i didnt get personal with you like you have with me. I am simply asking you not to assosiate your personal opinion with that of all Munster fans, of which i am a proud one.

I know of his ties to Munster, i know of his uncle and godfather so you dont have to lecture me. I just choose to have grace and not despise someone simply because he represents another province. Thats my personal view.

When he plays for Ireland, he plays for Ireland.

Billy, I'm going on the fact that you had no clue as to why he might even be disliked. He is the only Leinster player to get stick (internationally) and putting it down to some petty reason that it is because he plays for Leinster is insulting as far as I'm concerned considering I've lots of time for quite a few Leinster players (and have defended their international selection here).

The whole "dislike the snooty gits from the big city" is not unique to Ireland. People in the south of France dislike Parisens. Cockney was originally an insulting term for Londoners. New Yorkers are widely despised in rural America. I don't have a major problem with Munster fans disliking Leinster or vice versa. They're big rivals. It adds to the spice.

I just hate it when it isn't totally shelved when the Irish team get together.

Sin;

I was aware of the incident but was unaware of your deep seeded dislike for him and why you would tar all Munsterfans with the same brush when that is clearly not the case. I may be some bogtrotter from sixmilebridge but i dont get the dislike for something that was done in the heat of the moment and to be honest really doesnt bother me. I also dont understand the jeering of him when he plays for Ireland.

I do apologise for assuming that it was a Leinster thing though.

Sin é wrote:Billy, I'm going on the fact that you had no clue as to why he might even be disliked. He is the only Leinster player to get stick (internationally) and putting it down to some petty reason that it is because he plays for Leinster is insulting as far as I'm concerned considering I've lots of time for quite a few Leinster players (and have defended their international selection here).

Sin man, the reason he has no clue why Sexton is disliked is probably because he saw that, got annoyed for a bit, then shrugged his shoulders and said 'these things happen in the heat of the moment' and forgot all about it. i.e. he had a rational, proportionate response. I don't think it means anything that he doesn't share your opinion or is unaware of whatever the groupthink of the day is on munsterfans; a website noted for being a zoo of braying morons.

SinE,

I genuinely just assumed it was becuase he was replacing O'Gara. I am astounded that you are this hot under the collar about something that happened 3 years ago.