Liverpool FC Thread

by **Crimey** Sat 07 Jul 2012, 8:10 pm

First topic message reminder :

Liverpool FC

Transfers in:

Fabio Borini (£11 million)
Joe Allen (£15 million)
Joe Cole (return from loan)
Oussama Assaidi (£2.4 million)
Nuri Sahin (on loan)
Samed Yesil (£1 million)

Transfers out:

Dirk Kuyt (£1 million)
Maxi Rodriguez (Free)
Fabio Aurelio (Free)
Alberto Aquilani (£7 million)
Craig Bellamy (Free)
Andy Carroll (loan)
Jay Spearing (loan)
Charlie Adam (£4 million)

by liverbnz Tue 14 Aug 2012, 8:41 pm

There'll always be fans on the manager's back after any points dropped. He'll get more than Roy I'm sure as BR has a clear plan that'll take time to come to fruition if it's going to work. As far Liverpool are concerned, it's an easier start than if it were a load of teams we're expected to beat. That's been our Achilles heel for years.

As for Roy was appointed by an accountant via the media. He wasn't wanted in the first place.

by Guest Tue 14 Aug 2012, 8:46 pm

compelling and rich wrote:just had a look at the fixtures and a very tough start for liverpool, you reckon rogers will get the support he needs if you get off to a bad start, roy wasnt given much of a shot

It's imperative that our home form picks up and if it does then he should get a smooth ride. If it doesn't then we may well hear some Kenny chants. I'm not that hung up on Rodgers but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. But as you said it's a very tough start. Time will tell.

by **Crimey** Tue 14 Aug 2012, 8:53 pm

Yeah, I think people forget that Liverpool have a really good record against big sides and it isn't facing them that has been our problem but against smaller sides. Hopefully Rodgers can find the balance, keep the big team performances going while also overcoming the smaller sides.

It's hard to make comparisons between Roy Hodgson and Brendan Rodgers as their was a change of owner in between their respective appointments. It was clear that Hodgson was brought in to steady the ship while the ownership of the club came under scrutiny, the problem was that he didn't steady it at all but made it even more rocky.

I wasn't convinced that sacking Kenny Dalglish was the right option, but I'm willing to let Brendan Rodgers have time to try and turn things around.

If we do start too good though, and beat the big sides early on, expectations will soar through the roof and Rodgers will be under a lot of pressure. It's really a no-win situation.

by **Crimey** Wed 15 Aug 2012, 7:48 pm

Joe Allen, Charlie Adam and Andy Carroll in international action tonight...let's hope for no injuries and great performances from both. Don't think any other Liverpool players are playing.

by Guest Wed 15 Aug 2012, 7:55 pm

Crimey wrote:Joe Allen, Charlie Adam and Andy Carroll in international action tonight...let's hope for no injuries and great performances from both. Don't think any other Liverpool players are playing.

Agger is playing for Denmark I see as is Skrtl for Slovakia. Not sure if Suarez is playing against France though.

by **Crimey** Wed 15 Aug 2012, 7:58 pm

Ah, only saw the line ups of the home nations.

I'd hope not, he'll wear himself out if he's not careful, Suarez that is.

by Guest Wed 15 Aug 2012, 7:59 pm

Crimey wrote:Ah, only saw the line ups of the home nations.

I'd hope not, he'll wear himself out if he's not careful, Suarez that is.

I can't remember seeing this many friendlies, ever!

http://uk.soccerway.com/

by **Crimey** Wed 15 Aug 2012, 8:10 pm

Noticed Carroll getting a lot deeper and playing some simple passes, pass and move etc.

Trying to demonstrate something to a certain Northern Irishman....

by **Kenny** Thu 16 Aug 2012, 4:18 pm

Rodgers has said he hopes to complete 1 maybe 2 signings in the next 48 hours

by Soldier_Of_Fortune Thu 16 Aug 2012, 4:32 pm

Apparently Sahin and Tello, which I am quite pleased about.

by Liam Thu 16 Aug 2012, 4:44 pm

Don't think Tello is such a great signing, even Barca fans saying last season that Pedro should have been in ahead of him. Sahin is a good signing although I believe its winger's is what you need with Bellamy leaving for Cardiff.

by Soldier_Of_Fortune Thu 16 Aug 2012, 4:54 pm

Tello is a good young player. Can play in a number of positions at top, got technical ability and is very quick. I was impressed with him in the champs league against Bayer Lev. Type of player we need.

by mystiroakey Thu 16 Aug 2012, 5:57 pm

So lads - whats the crack with carrol. Is he gonna be part of the line up for liverpool

by Guest Thu 16 Aug 2012, 6:07 pm

mystiroakey wrote:So lads - whats the crack with carrol. Is he gonna be part of the line up for liverpool

He'll go on deadline day I reckon.

by mystiroakey Thu 16 Aug 2012, 6:10 pm

Shame . I really like him and he clearly wants to stay

by Guest Thu 16 Aug 2012, 6:23 pm

I do feel for him. I think Rodgers coming out early into his tenure and stating that Carroll may well be gone by September was taking bad man management to a whole new level. Why he did that I don't know...

Carroll could probably come off the bench and bang in a hat trick at the weekend and it'd make no difference whatsoever. I think he's gone. Hope I'm wrong. As has been stated he's another option, a plan B.

by Lee Thu 16 Aug 2012, 6:37 pm

http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/latest-news/reds-agree-deal-for-winger

by Lee Thu 16 Aug 2012, 6:39 pm

Liverpool Football Club have reached an agreement with SC Heerenveen for the transfer of winger Oussama Assaidi, subject to the player passing a medical.

The 24-year-old, who has scored 20 goals in 68 appearances for Heerenveen in the Dutch Eredivisie, will now undergo a medical at Melwood.

Assaidi has represented his native Morocco 22 times since making his international debut in February 2011.

by Soldier_Of_Fortune Thu 16 Aug 2012, 6:50 pm

Who the hell is he!

YouTube clip of him looks good but YouTube could even make me look good Laugh

by Guest Thu 16 Aug 2012, 6:57 pm

I'm always skeptical when players come over from Holland. We've had some right duds on these shores. Alfonso Alves anyone?

Apparently it's a 3m fee.

by **Crimey** Thu 16 Aug 2012, 8:54 pm

For £3m it's a worth a gamble, especially as we need wingers.

Not too convinced by Tello, who we're apparently interested in a loan deal for. He looks quite lightweight and often blows great chances. I don't think playing for Barcelona should qualify you as a good player.

by GSC Thu 16 Aug 2012, 9:02 pm

Rodgers said 1 or 2 more so this might be it.

by GSC Fri 17 Aug 2012, 1:32 pm

Dempsey the other I think.

by mckay1402 Mon 20 Aug 2012, 10:54 am

Dear Brendan

Ha ha

Love Swansea city

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon 20 Aug 2012, 10:58 am

Mate it's one game. One game.

by mckay1402 Mon 20 Aug 2012, 11:05 am

Don't get me wrong I'm not enjoying seeing my favourite childhood team be so poor. I just think Brendan Rodgers has deserved an opening day drubbing.

by Gordy Mon 20 Aug 2012, 1:20 pm

Worst possible start for Liverpool. Exactly what a new manager doesnt need. Specially one like Rodgers who will not have convinced everyone he is up to the job in the first place. I expect he will be gone by Christmas.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon 20 Aug 2012, 1:30 pm

If Liverpool sack Rodgers they will put themselves into an even worse position thumbsup

Gotta give him time, and by time I mean seasons, not months. This is a long process, give him the time, you will come good

by GSC Mon 20 Aug 2012, 1:34 pm

He has to have time, but his signings need to do much better than they did on Sat.

Allen and Borini were utterly anonymous

by Gordy Mon 20 Aug 2012, 1:39 pm

I agree but they wont give him time. Thats just the football is these days. If he was a big name manager from the continent then he might get a bit more but it will be easy to treat him as a punt that didnt work out.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon 20 Aug 2012, 1:41 pm

I don't think they would of appointed Rodgers if they weren't going to give him time thumbsup

by **hampo17** Mon 20 Aug 2012, 1:43 pm

GSC wrote:He has to have time, but his signings need to do much better than they did on Sat.

Allen and Borini were utterly anonymous

I heard the complete opposite of Joe Allen, I heard he had a very good game.

by Gordy Mon 20 Aug 2012, 1:45 pm

All clubs and fans say this at the beginning but mark my words if Liverpool are mid table in a few months time the fans will be calling for his head and the board will be not so secretly meeting to look at alternatives. Its the same everywhere.

by Guest Mon 20 Aug 2012, 1:57 pm

Quick question to fellow Reds fans: Am I the only guy on here who rates Charlie Adam?

by TopHat24/7 Mon 20 Aug 2012, 2:06 pm

Gordy wrote:All clubs and fans say this at the beginning but mark my words if Liverpool are mid table in a few months time the fans will be calling for his head and the board will be not so secretly meeting to look at alternatives. Its the same everywhere.

4/10

by GSC Mon 20 Aug 2012, 2:09 pm

Allen didn't really do anything, he had a high pass % percentage because very few of his passes actually went anywhere.

I can't remember Borini playing, and Downing continued to be a waste of space.

by Small Time Mon 20 Aug 2012, 4:15 pm

If I were a Liverpool I'd be more concerned with the fact that Gerrard looked like a lost soul......I've never seen him give the ball away so often :S

by TopHat24/7 Mon 20 Aug 2012, 4:30 pm

Small Time wrote:If I were a Liverpool I'd be more concerned with the fact that Gerrard looked like a lost soul......I've never seen him give the ball away so often :S

He's back cack for a couple of years now, I'm sure Liverpool fans' denial can last a little longer.

by Small Time Mon 20 Aug 2012, 4:43 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:
Small Time wrote:If I were a Liverpool I'd be more concerned with the fact that Gerrard looked like a lost soul......I've never seen him give the ball away so often :S

He's back cack for a couple of years now, I'm sure Liverpool fans' denial can last a little longer.

I just don't think he'll be able to 6/7 second rule under Rodgers. As good a player as he is, carrying Liverpool for so long is looking like it could be taking it's toll.

by liverbnz Mon 20 Aug 2012, 5:15 pm

Gerrard has been woeful for 3 seasons now save the odd glimpse of what he used to give us. More often than not he's been a hinderance in how we try and play and Saturday was a another one added to that tally.

Rodgers has his work cut out coaching his more patient style into him. My guess is he won't be able to.

Paisley used to say, let them lose their legs on someone else's pitch. I'd imagine Carragher and Gerrard would both be doing so by now if they'd played in Paisley's era.

by liverbnz Mon 20 Aug 2012, 5:20 pm

FreekShow wrote:Quick question to fellow Reds fans: Am I the only guy on here who rates Charlie Adam?

I rate him. Just not very much.

He's got a good left foot, good passer, can cross a good ball and take a mean free kick although neither of those last 2 have been prevelant at Liverpool. On the cons side, he's heavily one-sided which means he often takes time to adjust his feet, he comes across at stupid on the pitch, too fond of the holywood ball, is rash and is quite slow.

Anyway, it seems BR wants rid.

by TopHat24/7 Mon 20 Aug 2012, 5:28 pm

liverbnz wrote:Gerrard has been woeful for 3 seasons now save the odd glimpse of what he used to give us. More often than not he's been a hinderance in how we try and play and Saturday was a another one added to that tally.

Rodgers has his work cut out coaching his more patient style into him. My guess is he won't be able to.

Paisley used to say, let them lose their legs on someone else's pitch. I'd imagine Carragher and Gerrard would both be doing so by now if they'd played in Paisley's era.

The most balanced and accurate assessment from a Liverpool fan I've ever seen or read. Hats off to you, sir. Some football fans really struggle to be objective, nothing gets in the way of their love and allegiance to the badge.

by Small Time Mon 20 Aug 2012, 5:47 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:
liverbnz wrote:Gerrard has been woeful for 3 seasons now save the odd glimpse of what he used to give us. More often than not he's been a hinderance in how we try and play and Saturday was a another one added to that tally.

Rodgers has his work cut out coaching his more patient style into him. My guess is he won't be able to.

Paisley used to say, let them lose their legs on someone else's pitch. I'd imagine Carragher and Gerrard would both be doing so by now if they'd played in Paisley's era.

The most balanced and accurate assessment from a Liverpool fan I've ever seen or read. Hats off to you, sir. Some football fans really struggle to be objective, nothing gets in the way of their love and allegiance to the badge.

I'll second that sir. I feared I'd be accused of wumming (which I am certainly not) with that Gerrard comment but you've hit the nail right on the head there.

Out of interest Liverbnz....who do you think would be first to go if Rodgers continues to push his brand of football (which of course he will) and Gerrard gets progressively worse at it leading to him being dropped/used more sparingly?

by Gordy Mon 20 Aug 2012, 7:15 pm

Gerrard was one of Englands best players in the Euros. He has had injury problems in the past for Liverpool but Liverpool have been over reliant on him in the past. He cant carry the team by himself. Liverpool need to look elsewhere at the players who arent or have not pulled their weight.

by liverbnz Mon 20 Aug 2012, 8:01 pm

Gerrard was indeed one of England's best, but let's be honest England were pitiful and he couldn't get near the brilliant Andrea Pirlo when it came to it.

You are also right in saying Gerrard has carried Liverpool teams on his back, but that was 6/7 years ago now and he can no longer live of that. His problem is that he still thinks he needs to do everything and he ends up forcing the issue nearly all the time. This is totally against BRs philosophy of not wasting or over-risking possesion just for the sake of it. His philosophy is team-orientated so Gerrard is no longer needed for his superman role. There was a statistic last season which showed Liverpool's record without Gerrard was much better than with, and I really don't think that was a coincidence. Bar Everton at home he was one of our poorest players last season - when fit.

Don't get me wrong, Steven Gerrard is/was a terrific player, the best to wear a red shirt in my time and I know a few reds of 60 an they'd say the same thing. I just think if he wants to prolong his career, he's going to have to adapt a little and cut out those performances like Saturday that have become way too frequent. And as fans, we should be grateful for what he has given us, but that no reason to excuse him when he performs badly. No one is bigger than the club afterall.

by lfc91 Mon 20 Aug 2012, 8:26 pm

Tophat that is why i very rarely post on the football board, because i know most football fans(myself included) can 'occassionally let there love of a club/player get in the way of having a well reasoned and thought out discussion! And i get enough of it in my group of mates anyway! On an unrelated note does anyone know if the lpool/hearts match is on tv thursday and if so which channel?

by **Crimey** Mon 20 Aug 2012, 8:28 pm

The problem with Steven Gerrard is the problem I think Wayne Rooney is starting to develop as well. So often he seems to play quite poorly and can't quite get into the game, but that explosion of energy and talent to create something out of nothing means it's quite hard not to put him in the team.

by liverbnz Mon 20 Aug 2012, 8:33 pm

by lfc91 Mon 20 Aug 2012, 8:48 pm

Cheers mate.

by **Kenny** Tue 21 Aug 2012, 10:27 am

It is going to take 2 seasons at least for us to see a major difference imo . We wont really see the team Rodgers wants until then as he brings players in and moves others out .............. patience dear fellow supporters patience .

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