Man Utd thread

[Liam]

First topic message reminder :

There are a few Utd fans like myself on the board but like the LFC one set up, everyone are welcome to discuss Utd's results and news etc..

Playing Barca tomorrow night, only a pre-season game but would like to see Kagwa given a run out tomorrow night see what he's got against the best.

[Liam]

Money talks these days. I mean, look at Thiago Silva and Imbrahimovic's transfers to PSG. No CL football, leaving Milan, a huge club with CL football because they were offered more than what they were on and knew they could get CL more than likely the following season. I feel Utd need that one big signing, who will hopefully set the ball rolling for others to come. Kroos is the player who could do that and the player we desperately need the most. If we can't get him, unlike the Fabregas fiasco, we need back ups.

[Ent]

Living in Paris and getting the big money is different from Manchester. Plus there's no guarantee united will get back in the cl or in contention for trophies whereas in France it was very likely psg would get there.

[Hero]

There's no guarantee of anything in football, but challenging in the most watched league in the world for the most supported club in the world for £250k a week will appeal to a lot of players.

[Ent]

If no one else is interested, otherwise you join city or Chelsea and play in cl and challenge for trophies.

[Hammersmith harrier]

I'm going to ignore Ent because all he does is bitch and moan like a big baby.

We are still a super rich football club and because of that we'll be able to buy top players, why exactly did Mata join us because of champions league football, because of Moyes or was it because we were offering to pay him lots?

[compelling and rich]

Reus would be the costly one and I reckon £40m for him
Kroos with one year left on his contract would be cheaper but I expect Liverpool to also go in and perhaps others if it does become apparent he's wanting to leave rather than get a better contract. £25m for him.
Shaw I think will be £25m tops.
Garay I can't see being a huge price, £15m max.

he has a release clause for just under 30 mil

[Geordie]

Man u need a massive clear out this summer. They have far too may average players.

Fergie knew exactly what he was doing when he got out. Moyes got the raw end of the deal.

But as long as they have a good plan for the summer they can turn it all around.

[Soldier_Of_Fortune]

Well that is my point! You either have to pay over the odds in wages, which then attracts players with the wrong mentality at the club i.e. mercenaries. And your not going to get any of the players ive seen stated while Mosey Moyes is in charge and Ed Wood is cheif exc.

Hope your looking forward to another summer of dispointment!

[J.Benson II]

Man u need a massive clear out this summer. They have far too may average players.

Fergie knew exactly what he was doing when he got out. Moyes got the raw end of the deal.

But as long as they have a good plan for the summer they can turn it all around.

I don't really buy this. If United had a top manager in charge like Jose, then they would have been probably challenging for the title this season with the same batch of players. Moyes is excusing their shocking season by claiming that its the squad thats awful and that any manager in his position would have equally struggled.
  

Moyes has already spent £60m and now wants another £100m to turn the runaway 2013 PL champions into title contenders for 2015. 

[GSC]

United wouldn't be contenders with Ferguson.

Challenging for top 4 maybe

[Soldier_Of_Fortune]

United wouldn't be contenders with Ferguson.

Challenging for top 4 maybe

With that squad he would be challenging top 4. If Ferguson had the summer window and brought in his own players. You would have to say based on previous form they would be challenging for the title.

[J.Benson II]

When was the last time United have not been in the title race under Fergie? I can't remember. Good squad or transitional squad, United always challenged.

Pretty sure they've never finished below third for eons.

[Liam]

Probably 04/05 I think we were completely out of it. Then after a couple of poor seasons by our standards, we won't the league 3 times in a row. I believe Moyes training methods an general tactics have just been terrible all season and scream a man out of his depth. I think we'd be comfortably top 4 under Fergie, not challenging for the title unless he spent in the summer because lets not get away from the fact that the squad has needed an overhaul for 4/5 years

[Geordie]

Ah but this to me looks the worst squad in an awfully long time.

Maybe Fergie got out because he knew with this squad...he wouldnt be able to keep to the top 4.

[Liam]

I think he wanted to retire when City won the league in the last minute. The fact they did that meant he couldn't and gave him the extra desire and indeed challenge to overcome. He went out, bought RVP and wrapped up the league comfortably, then announcing his retirement.

[Ent]

I'm going to ignore Ent because all he does is bitch and moan like a big baby.

We are still a super rich football club and because of that we'll be able to buy top players, why exactly did Mata join us because of champions league football, because of Moyes or was it because we were offering to pay him lots?

Mourinho wanted rid, he wasn't playing and we were the only club interested.

Players with a choice won't come here, it's simple.

[NickisBHAFC]

I'm going to ignore Ent because all he does is bitch and moan like a big baby.

We are still a super rich football club and because of that we'll be able to buy top players, why exactly did Mata join us because of champions league football, because of Moyes or was it because we were offering to pay him lots?

LOL bite.

[GSC]

To be fair, Ent has a point on Mata. Was a 1 horse race

[GSC]

Seems Carvalho will be first in for 35m

[Atila]

Didn't Man City who hadn't won the title since the 60's manage top attract top players which helped them to win qualify for the CL and win the league title? Chelsea are another team who spent big under Abramovich when they had no recent history of CL success and they managed to attract big name players.

Apparently though, United have no chance of attracting the best players. It's all over for them.   

[compelling and rich]

United wouldn't be contenders with Ferguson.

Challenging for top 4 maybe

nonsense, the exact same team we walked the league with plus 70 mil worth of improvements and he wouldnt be challenging?!. if fergie was still in charge we would have won it. we haven't been spectacular for a while but under fergie we just knew how to grind out results. look at our points last season compared to the teams at the top now we had 85 points at this stage last season 8 points clear of Liverpools total now

squad needs a few tweeks here and there but moyes terrible management is what is making us look poorer than we are.

[Guest]

I think United will go for the 'potential' quality players, instead of the already established. I mean, if your going to say all this mumbo jumbo about what your hearing from agents & them giving you the nod, you go & prove it by signing the big name first this summer, in the name of Kroos. You don't go and buy Carvalho for £35m & hope that will send shockwaves around Europe & interest other players, because it doesn't. Carvalho is potential, not established at the highest level & is again another shed load of the budget on a risk signing, instead of proven in Kroos.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

To be fair, it was easy for Fergie to get that extra 10% out of those players as they were his players, his buys, players he had worked with for years at a club he was dictator of.

[compelling and rich]

think the character fergie was he'd get that out of any players, its what made his the great manager he was, but even without that extra 10% its still doesn't equate that were nearly 30 points worse off this season than last

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Well there's the added Fergie 10%, RVP's injuries, the poor transfer summer, the further deterioration of some once key players, Moyes adapting, the Fergie fear factor gone from other teams. 

Happy to see these strong links on Carvalho being done. United buying a young player for big money excites me. and buying a specialist central midfielder?! The days of Fergie are truly gone

[J.Benson II]

Ah but this to me looks the worst squad in an awfully long time.

Maybe Fergie got out because he knew with this squad...he wouldnt be able to keep to the top 4.

It looks awful because Moyes is in charge.  
I agree it’s not a vintage United squad, but it sure can't be bad enough to be 7th. These players were PL winners last year after all.
They need some squad improvements no doubt, but Moyes is acting like the whole team requires a +£100m overhaul just to get back in the top 4 next season.
The worst thing is that his attitude seems to have rubbed off on some United fans, who have now lowered their expectations to accommodate him. Decent performances against poor outfits are now seen as "encouraging signs" when they should be seen as the expected.
Even if he can turn it around next year, it would have cost United +£160m of transfers on top of a title winning squad to have done so.

[compelling and rich]

im totally with you j.benson, couldn't agree more, im still one of the few trying to keep my united standards up

[Hammersmith harrier]

£35mil for Carvalho seems incredibly high, I realise we need a central midfielder but we still need to go for value for money otherwise we end up just end a soulless club like City or Chelsea.

[compelling and rich]

bit dubious about signing CM from Portugal after our last one!! these figures often get banded about like anderson and nanis were but a lot of it is in add ons and extras

[Hammersmith harrier]

He seems a bit one dimensional from little I have seen of him, never been a fan of the ball winning midfielder who doesn't offer much going forward.

[compelling and rich]

i haven't seen anything of him so haven't got a clue, if he can run and tackle its already two attributes over any other midfielder we have

[Ent]

Haven't seen any of him, but £35 million seems a bit steep for a guy in his first season at top level, no European football and 2 international caps.

[compelling and rich]

just seen it announced that gundogan has signed a new deal

he was one i would have liked to have seen come, even with his recent injuries

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Anyone touting Gundogan to United will be disappointed to see he's just signed a contract extension at Dortmund

[compelling and rich]

Anyone touting Gundogan to United will be disappointed to see he's just signed a contract extension at Dortmund

to be fair its only to 2016, and i doubt there were many suitors this season after all of his injuries. he's young enough that if he gets back playing well next season he'll still be available at a decent price as by the end of next season he'll only have a year left

[Ent]

Good to see Dortmund sticking by him, he should really repay some of that as he has been out for so long.

Plus a massive risk for anyone who goes in this summer.

[Liam]

I agree, especially for a 21 year old that i've never hard of until recently and have yet to see him play, so its a big risk but if they think he's got the potential that see's them justifying paying that much then he must have something about him. We don't tend to throw huge sums of money around if we're not completely sure.

[Liam]

Yeh Gundongen was the perfect fit before his injuries (much like Hargreaves was) so not worth the punt because it could have well ended like Hargreaves. If he can overcome this back problem then no doubt he'll have most european clubs after him next season.

[Hammersmith harrier]

I think they've signed him to a new contract just so that they can recoup some money for him next Summer, a player signing a one year contract is a sure sign that he wants to leave soon.

[Guest]

Can see the same thing happening with Kroos, when Bayern stump up the wage & then the pressure will be on Moyes massively, after constantly telling everyone that he's been given the nod by these agents that these players wanted to come to United.

[Liam]

I'm sure utd will have learnt from last summer's mistakes of what happens when you go all out for a player and don't get him, leaving you panic buying.

Ideally, if we'd been sensible last summer, we could have been lining up with Thiago and Strootman. Instead, we spent nearly 30m on Fellaini. Hopefully we get Kroos but I am waiting for the inevitable 'Kroos signs new long term deal for Bayern'.

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