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Post by LivinginItaly Sun 04 Aug 2013, 4:36 pm

First topic message reminder :

Can't help but feel that the old australian teams of waugh and ponying would have declared by now and backed their bowlers to win the game for them. Admittedly the bowlers were better, but I think we can really see the aussie mentality in delaying the declaration decision. It's ok to say you can't base the decision on the forecast but at 2-0 down it is all or nothing, and they should have gambled earlier.

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Post by Scrumpy Mon 05 Aug 2013, 11:56 am

Cook needs to drop down the order.
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Post by KP_fan Mon 05 Aug 2013, 12:04 pm

root's 0(21) is as pathetic as his 1(40) balls was in first inning.

starts building pressure in his team upfront.
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Post by Scrumpy Mon 05 Aug 2013, 12:09 pm

Don't worry KP_fan Root will be out soon!

Where is the Rain????? steam
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Mon 05 Aug 2013, 12:12 pm

KP_fan wrote:root's 0(21) is as pathetic as his 1(40) balls was in first inning.

starts building pressure in his team upfront.

You say that like runs actually matter...
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Post by KP_fan Mon 05 Aug 2013, 12:20 pm

DRS sukks
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Mon 05 Aug 2013, 12:22 pm

KP_fan wrote:DRS sukks

You didn't say that when Steve Smith was given not out like that...
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Post by Scrumpy Mon 05 Aug 2013, 12:22 pm

DRS and how it is interpreted by the 3rd umpire has become more important than the game itself.

Get rid of it.


DRS has mucked up F1 too.
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Post by Hoggy_Bear Mon 05 Aug 2013, 12:28 pm

Oh well, England to lose.

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Post by guildfordbat Mon 05 Aug 2013, 12:31 pm

compelling and rich wrote:well its forecast for rain all day and has been lashing it down all morning, i'll repeat that ill be surprised if any play gets going today

Compelling and rich - you did me and my subsequent posts up like a kipper there! Smile 

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Post by ChequeredJersey Mon 05 Aug 2013, 12:31 pm

Now we are in trouble. Need KP and then Bell to step up again
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Post by Hood83 Mon 05 Aug 2013, 12:33 pm

Where's Duty and his 3-0 predictions and accusations of 'knee-jerk' to the perfectly reasonable observation that our batting is pants.

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Post by Scrumpy Mon 05 Aug 2013, 12:33 pm

Dare I say it Aus deserve to win this one, then maybe England will wake up and win the remaining 2 games, I don't think they approach the game correctly this time.
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Post by Hood83 Mon 05 Aug 2013, 12:34 pm

Duty281 wrote:They should have declared at 275 for two reasons:

1) More time.
2) England might have gone for it and played into Australia's hands.

As is it, even if there is no more rain, I fancy England to bat out the 3 and a bit sessions they need.

Really?

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Post by LivinginItaly Mon 05 Aug 2013, 12:35 pm

well if we get pretty much a full day from here on, and if kp stays in for the whole time, we may actually get near their total. However, hopefully it will rain again soon and we can all relax.

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Post by Scrumpy Mon 05 Aug 2013, 12:35 pm

Hood83 wrote:Where's Duty and his 3-0 predictions and accusations of 'knee-jerk' to the perfectly reasonable observation that our batting is pants.

Bit of a Knee jerk reaction fella.thumbsup 
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Mon 05 Aug 2013, 12:35 pm

Jesus we've lost two wickets of the two out of form batsmen

Keep calm and stop wetting yourselves
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Post by alfie Mon 05 Aug 2013, 12:36 pm

OK what's going on here ? Thought it was supposed to hose down all day...

Switch on to see Trott departing at 15/2 ?

Sky looks a lot brighter than yesterday...think some of those "Ashes Retained" posts were a bit premature !

Someone will be assuring me it will rain all day from lunch no doubt , but it looks like one of those anxious all day - or rather night - vigils
to me ...rats. Thought this was a nailed on early night...

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Mon 05 Aug 2013, 12:38 pm

guildfordbat wrote:I'm sure at least ten of the England team will be delighted if it pours all day. The one who just might be in two minds is Bairstow. An undefeated last day fifty to ensure the match was saved and the Ashes retained would have made his own position far safer. As it is, Taylor continues to breathe down his neck.

If it continues like this, ol Jonny will get his shot Guildford
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Post by Scrumpy Mon 05 Aug 2013, 12:39 pm

Root dropped Shocked 
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Post by KP_fan Mon 05 Aug 2013, 12:41 pm

Root put down...looks like Eng batters have left their intent in the hotel.....and were already in a "celebrate" mood.

the've gotta focus, focus, focus...else the game is slipping from them
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Post by Hoggy_Bear Mon 05 Aug 2013, 12:42 pm

Clarke just dropped the Ashes? Very Happy 

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Post by alfie Mon 05 Aug 2013, 12:44 pm

LivinginItaly wrote:well if we get pretty much a full day from here on, and if kp stays in for the whole time, we may actually get near their total.  However, hopefully it will rain again soon and we can all relax.

Suspect it would have been better from an England angle if there had never been any dire forecast of awful weather. Had they known from the off that they were going to have to play virtually the whole 450 overs they might have approached things a bit differently...
It is hard not to have the assumed rain in the back of your mind...and I think it can disturb the needed focus.

Even if there are further interruptions , may there not be enough time to take another eight wickets ? On-off sessions won't make it any easier for the batsmen.

I had a nasty feeling this might happen when everyone seemed so certain of wall to wall rain.

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Post by Scrumpy Mon 05 Aug 2013, 12:44 pm

KP out

Maybe?
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Post by Scrumpy Mon 05 Aug 2013, 12:47 pm

No HOTSPOT yet his out please explain?
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Post by KP_fan Mon 05 Aug 2013, 12:47 pm

Ha Ha ah....DRS sukks

Now Eng might lose a crucial test because of the KP decision
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Post by alfie Mon 05 Aug 2013, 12:50 pm

Think KP has missed that by some way but out he goes...

Australia are going to win this.

Fair enough , they have outplayed England here.  It seems to be written...that dismissal proves it  Smile 

(That said , there is a noise.  But it really looks to have been some way from the bat)


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Post by JamesLincs Mon 05 Aug 2013, 12:50 pm

absolutely embarrassing. australia had exactly the same in one of their innings, i believe the first, and the batsman was given not out. absolutely identical situations. no consistency in any department

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Post by GSC Mon 05 Aug 2013, 12:51 pm

Why pay so much for hotspot cameras to ignore it?
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Post by VTR Mon 05 Aug 2013, 12:52 pm

The problem here is not DRS but terrible and inconsistent umpiring

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Mon 05 Aug 2013, 12:52 pm

I can't believe that wasn't overturned
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Post by Scrumpy Mon 05 Aug 2013, 12:53 pm

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Post by andyi Mon 05 Aug 2013, 12:54 pm

Scrumpy wrote:No HOTSPOT yet his out please explain?
I guess the 3rd umpire is trying to be consistent after the Khawaja dismissal.

Consistently wrong mind ya Rolling Eyes

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Post by subhranshu.kumar.5 Mon 05 Aug 2013, 12:54 pm

He was out or not? Confused. No mark on hotspot, still given howz that possible.
Beside Australia on top. Am eagerly waiting for a win. 7 more to go. Common Aussies.
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Post by guildfordbat Mon 05 Aug 2013, 12:55 pm

Olly wrote:
guildfordbat wrote:I'm sure at least ten of the England team will be delighted if it pours all day. The one who just might be in two minds is Bairstow. An undefeated last day fifty to ensure the match was saved and the Ashes retained would have made his own position far safer. As it is, Taylor continues to breathe down his neck.

If it continues like this, ol Jonny will get his shot Guildford

Sure looks that way, Olly.

Very important innings for Bairstow ....

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Post by Biltong Mon 05 Aug 2013, 12:57 pm

He was out.
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Post by Dorothy_Mantooth Mon 05 Aug 2013, 12:57 pm

Its looking Hot Spot (or the umpires interpretation of it) only works one way. It works fine if a Batsman is given Not Out, but on review Hot Spot shows a mark. However if the batsmen is out, when it comes a review hot spot is not taken into account.

More than once a batsman has reviewed, Hot Spot has showing NOTHING yet he is still sent on his way.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Mon 05 Aug 2013, 12:57 pm

guildfordbat wrote:
Olly wrote:
guildfordbat wrote:I'm sure at least ten of the England team will be delighted if it pours all day. The one who just might be in two minds is Bairstow. An undefeated last day fifty to ensure the match was saved and the Ashes retained would have made his own position far safer. As it is, Taylor continues to breathe down his neck.

If it continues like this, ol Jonny will get his shot Guildford

Sure looks that way, Olly.

Very important innings for Bairstow ....

I can't say I have any confidence in him doing the business...
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Post by trebellbobaggins Mon 05 Aug 2013, 12:58 pm

Good win aussie. Rain would have robbed you.

Eng battimg a mess again.

Changes needed if eng want to retain.

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Post by KP_fan Mon 05 Aug 2013, 1:02 pm

Unbelievable batting by Eng Shocked 

at this rate Aus needs 30 more overs
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Post by alfie Mon 05 Aug 2013, 1:03 pm

Biltong wrote:He was out.

You seem remarkably sure of that , Biltong Smile 

Do you have some inside information the rest of us are missing ?

Suppose there could have been a faint edge , but it really didn't look like it. Instinct tells me on a cool day like this hotspot would logically have picked up even the faintest of touches ; but I'm not a scientist.

Whatever , umpires make mistakes - always have. Sometimes at inconvenient times Smile 

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Post by guildfordbat Mon 05 Aug 2013, 1:03 pm

Olly wrote:
guildfordbat wrote:
Olly wrote:
guildfordbat wrote:I'm sure at least ten of the England team will be delighted if it pours all day. The one who just might be in two minds is Bairstow. An undefeated last day fifty to ensure the match was saved and the Ashes retained would have made his own position far safer. As it is, Taylor continues to breathe down his neck.

If it continues like this, ol Jonny will get his shot Guildford

Sure looks that way, Olly.

Very important innings for Bairstow ....

I can't say I have any confidence in him doing the business...
I understand that but we should at least allow him to get to the crease ....

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Post by VTR Mon 05 Aug 2013, 1:04 pm

Why all the knee-jerking anyway. Rain might save us yet, but if not lets not forget this was a VERY good toss to win.

Look at the pattern of the game: bat first and bat on the hottest day of the year. Team batting fourth ends up batting under leaden skies. The pitch hasn't changed much, the weather sure has.

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Post by Diggers Mon 05 Aug 2013, 1:05 pm

I think Oz completely deserve this test and to be honest it makes the rest of the series a lot more interesting.

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Post by Biltong Mon 05 Aug 2013, 1:09 pm

alfie wrote:
Biltong wrote:He was out.

You seem remarkably sure of that , Biltong Smile 

Do you have some inside information the rest of us are missing ?

Suppose there could have been a faint edge , but it really didn't look like it.  Instinct tells me on a cool day like this hotspot would logically have picked up even the faintest of touches ; but I'm not a scientist.

Whatever , umpires make mistakes - always have.  Sometimes at inconvenient times Smile 

Snicko showed the sound of the edge being found. It may have been faint, but it is clear enough not to doubt it.
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Post by alfie Mon 05 Aug 2013, 1:11 pm

trebellbobaggins wrote:Good win aussie. Rain would have robbed you.

Eng battimg a mess again.

Changes needed if eng want to retain.

Well they were 30/3 twice at Lord's and ended up batting into the next day...but I agree it looks a bit grim.

Changes , though ? You want to drop Trott ? 'cos he is the one who is playing the worst...seriously , they won't be panic reacting even if they get bowled out for 100.
Nor should they. These are the best players ...OK Bairstow may come under pressure if he fails , but there certainly won't be mass changes.

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Post by Dorothy_Mantooth Mon 05 Aug 2013, 1:12 pm

TMS saying that there was a clear noise and its been confirmed by snicko.

Why did Hot Spot show nothing? Shows it can't be trusted.

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian Mon 05 Aug 2013, 1:14 pm

Diggers wrote:I think Oz completely deserve this test and to be honest it makes the rest of the series a lot more interesting.

I agree with you, Diggers. And if England do manage to eke out the draw, they'll have earned it rather than relying on the rain.

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Post by alfie Mon 05 Aug 2013, 1:15 pm

Biltong wrote:
alfie wrote:
Biltong wrote:He was out.

You seem remarkably sure of that , Biltong Smile 

Do you have some inside information the rest of us are missing ?

Suppose there could have been a faint edge , but it really didn't look like it.  Instinct tells me on a cool day like this hotspot would logically have picked up even the faintest of touches ; but I'm not a scientist.

Whatever , umpires make mistakes - always have.  Sometimes at inconvenient times Smile 

Snicko showed the sound of the edge being found. It may have been faint, but it is clear enough not to doubt it.

I don't agree. Snicko picks up all sorts of noises from what I 've seen lately. My eyes tell me there was clear air twist bat and ball...I think it was a very doubtful call.

But as I said , I am not complaining anyway.

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Post by liverbnz Mon 05 Aug 2013, 1:18 pm

Dorothy_Mantooth wrote:TMS saying that there was a clear noise and its been confirmed by snicko.  

Why did Hot Spot show nothing?  Shows it can't be trusted.

Or it didn't actually hit the bat. Snicko in it's current form is not 100% reliable. Neither is Hot Spot for that matter. They are decision aids - not definitive answers to all decisions.

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Post by mystiroakey Mon 05 Aug 2013, 1:24 pm

Whats going on!!

Oh dear. England ARE going to be saved by rain!!

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