Team Manny & Team Rios brawl in Macau!!!

by Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn Wed 20 Nov 2013 - 11:47

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/10004258/manny-pacquiao-brandon-rios-camps-physical-altercation

Roach mouthing off over Rios' team being 15 mins late in the gym they were sharing. Yet Manny wasn't even there.

Silly arguement then turns into violence when Alex Ariza kicks Roach in the stomach!!!!!

Hope Ariza gets deported and his license taken off him.

Roach can be a slimey toad at times, but kicking a guy in the stomach who has parkinsons?????

Classy.

by Diamond in the rough Wed 20 Nov 2013 - 11:54

ploy to big up the fight?? if its not a ploy i expect roach to press charges although i havnt actually seen the video yet

by Pedro147 Wed 20 Nov 2013 - 15:20

http://ph.sports.yahoo.com/news/ex-pacquiao-strength-coach-alex-ariza-kicks-freddie-roach-in-gym-altercation-085552357.html

What an absolute ****bag. As we all know Freddie has a disease which you wouldn't inflict on anyone and to do that is such a disgrace. Everyone on Twitter going mad about it. Video is at the bottom of the link.

by AlexHuckerby Wed 20 Nov 2013 - 15:26

Haha, what a soap opera.

by **hampo17** Wed 20 Nov 2013 - 15:30

Have merged these two threads together. thumbsup

by Pedro147 Wed 20 Nov 2013 - 15:32

hampo171 wrote:Have merged these two threads together.

Didn't see original thread, cheers.

by **hampo17** Wed 20 Nov 2013 - 15:40

No problem mate.

I can't really get my head around this, Garcia has said they stayed late purposely to annoy Roach which has worked, Ariza didn't need to kick him in the chest and is a complete kumquat for doing that and then taunting Roach about his illness, however Freddie then stooped to their level by racial language towards them.

Poor show all round.

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 20 Nov 2013 - 15:45

hampo171 wrote:No problem mate.

I can't really get my head around this, Garcia has said they stayed late purposely to annoy Roach which has worked, Ariza didn't need to kick him in the chest and is a complete kumquat for doing that and then taunting Roach about his illness, however Freddie then stooped to their level by racial language towards them.

Poor show all round.

People with disabilities want to be treated like normal human beings.........Better to ship one than someone say If you were a real man I'd do you.........Sure Roach would rather take one .......

I find Roach completely classless.........and Ariza's behaviour now and in the past completely reprehensible..

but let's not let subjectivity get in the way of the truth that it takes two to tango........

by **hampo17** Wed 20 Nov 2013 - 15:50

They want to be treated like normal human beings, surely standing there and taking the urine out of his illness isn't treating him as such?

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 20 Nov 2013 - 15:52

I was referring to the kick as you well know.........and I did say his behaviour was reprehensible...

by **hampo17** Wed 20 Nov 2013 - 16:09

I know Truss. Does anyone know what time this fight starts by the way?

by Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn Wed 20 Nov 2013 - 16:13

hampo171 wrote:I know Truss. Does anyone know what time this fight starts by the way?

ITS ALREADY BEGUN!!!!!

by rob-glos Wed 20 Nov 2013 - 16:14

Ariza was also mocking Roach for the way he speaks...

Classy guy.

by **hampo17** Wed 20 Nov 2013 - 16:17

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:
hampo171 wrote:I know Truss. Does anyone know what time this fight starts by the way?
ITS ALREADY BEGUN!!!!!

by Champagne_Socialist Wed 20 Nov 2013 - 16:20

disgusting kicking a disabled guy in the chest (it was a cheap shot as well) and then mocking his disability by making fun of his speech problems.

by Rodney Wed 20 Nov 2013 - 17:39

What racial language did Roach use ?

You Mexican mother effer , it's hardly insulting is it ?

by Guest Wed 20 Nov 2013 - 17:41

Rodney wrote:What racial language did Roach use ?

You Mexican mother effer , it's hardly insulting is it ?

Had he called him a sp!c, I'd be inclined to say it was racially offensive

by bellchees Wed 20 Nov 2013 - 17:47

Manny is going to splatter Rios, hopefully he'll start on Ariza afterwards.

by Rodney Wed 20 Nov 2013 - 17:51

I'd agree Dave, I didn't know that.

Cheers Rodders

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 20 Nov 2013 - 17:53

It's all handbags........

by Guest Wed 20 Nov 2013 - 17:57

...and makes a pleasant change from talking about Tyson Fury and his decision to retire (or not)

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 20 Nov 2013 - 17:59

True...........to quote Spandau ballet

by Strongback Wed 20 Nov 2013 - 18:25

Do you reckon the PPV numbers will go up much?

I read sales were going slow with only 500,00 buys being predicted. Should do a bit better now.

It was also a nice coincidence that there was a ESPN camera there at the time.

Apparently Manny wasn't even in the building so wasn't ready to start training.

Ariza didn't need to kick Roach, that was going too far. People mocking Roach's illness is hardly new. It's like water off a ducks back to him at this stage. Roach is a tough aggressive guy and can look after himself in a war of words. He owned Floyd Sr even when it came to street talk.

The racial stuff was Roach calling one of Team Garcia a Mexican MF which didn't go down well with the Mexicans at the time or on the message boards. Apparently this guy Roach called Mexican isactually Irish, I'm a bit miffed on this. Roach called Elie Seckbach the Jewish reporter.

Elie is now going Joey Deacon on his Twitter page giving Roach all kinds of abuse. Personally I always thought Elie was more than a bit of a slow learner. I thought some of the stars he got interviews from felt sorry for him and were providing an act of charity. I honestly thought he was certifiably mentally challenged.

by Strongback Wed 20 Nov 2013 - 18:27

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:True...........to quote Spandau ballet

You never fail to sink to lower depths in my opinion..

by Guest Wed 20 Nov 2013 - 18:28

Strongback wrote:Do you reckon the PPV numbers will go up much?

I read sales were going slow with only 500,00 buys being predicted. Should do a bit better now.

It was also a nice coincidence that there was a ESPN camera there at the time.

Apparently Manny wasn't even in the building so wasn't ready to start training.

Ariza didn't need to kick Roach, that was going too far. People mocking Roach's illness is hardly new. It's like water off a ducks back to him at this stage. Roach is a tough aggressive guy and can look after himself in a war of words. He owned Floyd Sr even when it came to street talk.

The racial stuff was Roach calling one of Team Garcia a Mexican MF which didn't go down well with the Mexicans at the time or on the message boards. Apparently this guy Roach called Mexican isactually Irish, I'm a bit miffed on this. Roach called Elie Seckbach the Jewish reporter.

Elie is now going Joey Deacon on his Twitter page giving Roach all kinds of abuse. Personally I always thought Elie was more than a bit of a slow learner. I thought some of the stars he got interviews from felt sorry for him and were providing an act of charity. I honestly thought he was certifiably mentally challenged.

I take it the irony of this is lost on you

by Marky Wed 20 Nov 2013 - 18:29

hampo171 wrote:Does anyone know what time this fight starts by the way?

10am Chinese local time to make it live prime time in USA. Works out as 2am GMT.

by Strongback Wed 20 Nov 2013 - 18:38

DAVE667 wrote:I take it the irony of this is lost on you

Try harder Dave or as Charles Bukowski had put on his gravestone "Don't Try".

by Guest Wed 20 Nov 2013 - 18:54

Strongback wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:I take it the irony of this is lost on you
Try harder Dave or as Charles Bukowski had put on his gravestone "Don't Try".

Pointless trying with you lad, you criticise a guy's behaviour and then pass similarly offensive comments about someone else.

Can't decide if you're an arrogant ****, a hypocrite or just plain stupid

Probably safer just to go with all three.

by **Seanusarrilius** Wed 20 Nov 2013 - 19:16

Ariza was mocking Roach for his PArkinson's, which is disgraceful in my book.
Roach apparently made a racist slur about Mexicans, also disgusting. There was something said to Elie Sekbach too, apparently. And some of the Rios camp were making homophobic comments, too. A terrible scene all round really.

by Strongback Wed 20 Nov 2013 - 19:17

DAVE667 wrote:
Strongback wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:I take it the irony of this is lost on you
Try harder Dave or as Charles Bukowski had put on his gravestone "Don't Try".
Pointless trying with you lad, you criticise a guy's behaviour and then pass similarly offensive comments about someone else.

Can't decide if you're an arrogant ****, a hypocrite or just plain stupid

Probably safer just to go with all three.

I didn't criticize Roach's behavior. It was handbags at dawn to sell a fight. I don't think Ariza kicking Roach in the stomach was part of the set up though.

Elie is a guy who made his name hanging around the Wildcard. Now he's pi$$ing all over Roach on his Twitter page. Not too nice in my book so he deserves a dig.

You saw irony were there was none hence my slightly arrogant response which I apologize for. At least I didn't laugh at you using pseudo intellectualism.

by **Seanusarrilius** Wed 20 Nov 2013 - 19:50

I think Roach said something about Elie seckbach being Jewish and he has taken it very badly. Don't quote me on that, but that's my understanding.

by Guest Wed 20 Nov 2013 - 20:04

Strongback wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:
Strongback wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:I take it the irony of this is lost on you
Try harder Dave or as Charles Bukowski had put on his gravestone "Don't Try".
Pointless trying with you lad, you criticise a guy's behaviour and then pass similarly offensive comments about someone else.

Can't decide if you're an arrogant ****, a hypocrite or just plain stupid

Probably safer just to go with all three.

I didn't criticize Roach's behavior. It was handbags at dawn to sell a fight. I don't think Ariza kicking Roach in the stomach was part of the set up though.

Elie is a guy who made his name hanging around the Wildcard. Now he's pi$$ing all over Roach on his Twitter page. Not too nice in my book so he deserves a dig.

You saw irony were there was none hence my slightly arrogant response which I apologize for. At least I didn't laugh at you using pseudo intellectualism.

Didn't say you'd been critical of ROACH's behaviour, did I? Irrespective of whether you think the Elie guy deserves a dig, you don't do yourself any favours talking about him that way.

Kudos for the Bukowski quote though.

by tunes666 Wed 20 Nov 2013 - 20:08

I have seen videos of Roach enough to see he is not such a liad back dude as his TV face leads us to believe and I think he is a bit stuck up his arse and can be unpleasant so I would not be shocked at all if he was at fault in this one and being disrespectful.

That being said that Ariza guy also comes across as an idiot and did not need to kick him or attack his illness...

by tunes666 Wed 20 Nov 2013 - 20:53

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcyID3x3wOg

Freddie: "Get him out of here too, "fu**in Jew motherfu**er" ...

This is what ha said to the guy from ES News, a bit like the US version of IFL TV.

not sure how people can defend Roach, I think he is quite a nasty bit of work, clearly stuck p his own arse, asking them to arrest them at his whim and as if he has not done anything to provoke them.

by Strongback Wed 20 Nov 2013 - 21:19

That had set-up written all over it Tunes.

They are just selling PPV.

by catchweight Fri 22 Nov 2013 - 8:05

Ha. Just saw this now Roach is lucky he didnt get his arse handed to him. Might help sales in the U.S but apparently this stuff doesnt fly as well in China.

by John Bloody Wayne Fri 22 Nov 2013 - 11:36

Can't see that link but the video I saw showed Roach absorbing the cheap shot like it was nowt and then people immediately step in.

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 22 Nov 2013 - 11:39

Not good........and not a good way to represent your Country abroad........

Then again......They are both classless punks.

Having the misfortune of watching Roach fight in the 80s.........Shouldn't think having Parkinson's would make a lot of difference.........He fought like he had it back then..........

by Lumbering_Jack Fri 22 Nov 2013 - 12:14

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Not good........and not a good way to represent your Country abroad........

Then again......They are both classless punks.

Having the misfortune of watching Roach fight in the 80s.........Shouldn't think having Parkinson's would make a lot of difference.........He fought like he had it back then..........

A twitchy, jerky style?

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