Bit of a quiz

Can you name the all-time XI for each test nation according to who has scored the most runs in each batting position? (where a player has scored the most in more than one batting position, the first of those is counted, and the player in second place in subsequent positions goes in the team instead).
There are a few obvious ones, especially among the batsmen and, of course, there is a bias toward more modern players because they play more matches. Still it's quite interesting (at least I think so, but maybe I'm a bit of an anorak). Anyway, shall we start with England 1-11? (No cricinfo unless you absolutely have to).

1) Strauss
2) Cook??
3)
4) KP surely
5)
6)
7) Prior?
8)
9)
10)
11) Anderson?

No idea mate, I'm not English!!

kingraf wrote:No idea mate, I'm not English!!

Well you got KP right.
Possibly because he's South African?  

That... and the fact he's a "once in a generation" talent....

Can't believe I got #7 wrong though... Woulda thought Prior was a certainty.

kingraf wrote:That... and the fact he's a "once in a generation" talent....

Can't believe I got #7 wrong though... Woulda thought Prior was a certainty.

By the end of his career he probably will be, but not quite at the moment.

Possibly helped by Raf's paper having a lot of crosses, my guesses -

1. Boycott
2. Gooch - he got a shedload of runs although possibly (for this flaming quiz!) too many were in the middle order
3. Cowdrey
4. Pietersen - would have been tempted to say Gower before seeing Raf's correct answer
5. Dexter - no idea really for 5
6. Botham
7. Knott - as not Prior
8. Giles
9. Old
10. Snow
11. Underwood

Suprised Cook's not there, although maybe his runs are split between 1 and 2?

Alec Stewart another one who probably moved up and down the order a bit too much to make a run at any one position. Perhaps a shout for number 5 or 6 though?

guildfordbat wrote:Possibly helped by Raf's paper having a lot of crosses, my guesses -

1. Boycott
2. Gooch - he got a shedload of runs although possibly (for this flaming quiz!) too many were in the middle order
3. Cowdrey
4. Pietersen - would have been tempted to say Gower before seeing Raf's correct answer
5. Dexter - no idea really for 5
6. Botham
7. Knott - as not Prior
8. Giles
9. Old
10. Snow
11. Underwood

My mistake. Actually Cook is no.2. Gooch No.1
You are correct that Knott is no.7 (England's recent penchant for nightwatchmen means that Prior has batted at 8 quite a bit)
Non of the rest are right though, I'm afraid.

Eh, so I got two right!

#11 needs a specialist #11 I would think as can't remember any grand last wicket stands. Perhaps Willis?

So: Are we saying:

#1: Gooch
#2: Cook
#4: The S.African.
#7: Knott
??

Let's go with
#3: Hammond
#5: Graveney
#6: Bailey
#8: Titmus
#9: Broad
#10: Higgs
#11: Willis

kwinigolfer wrote:#11 needs a specialist #11 I would think as can't remember any grand last wicket stands. Perhaps Willis?

So: Are we saying:

#1: Gooch
#2: Cook
#4: The S.African.
#7: Knott
??

Let's go with
#3: Hammond
#5: Graveney
#6: Bailey
#8: Titmus
#9: Broad
#10: Higgs
#11: Willis

Hammond at 3 is correct kwini, as is Willis at 11. Broad is there but one place higher than you have him.
So, so far, we have
1. Gooch
2.Cook
3.Hammond
4.KP
5.-
6.-
7.Knott
8,Broad
9.-
10.-
11.Willis

Right, we're making progress!

#5: Barrington
#6: Rhodes
#9: Trueman
#10: Laker

Nah . . . . . !

For number 6, don't tell me it's Tony Greig - he must have scored some runs to average over 40 as I keep being told on the HoF thread!! Really thought it would be Both with the number of years he played and, I thought, regularly at 6.

PS Hoggy - if I'm wrong about numbers 1 and 2 when you get round to the West Indies, I'll be getting my hat and coat!

Night, folks.

Rats ! Curse of the time zones...you lot have swept up all the easy ones before I even read this...

Surely Barrington at 5 ?

Bell at 6 ?

Nine is tricky ...could it be Swann ?

Going to say Underwood for 10.

If not Barrington then maybe Thorpe at 5? Although he moved from 4-6 a fair bit, I think he got most of his runs at 5.

Bell could well be at 6. He's undoubtedly got a few thousand runs there, and given England's inclination to play all-rounders at either 6 or 7 without always much success...

No idea about 9 or 10. Swann at 9 from alfie seems like a good shout.

1. Langer 5009 / 48.16
2. Hayden 7351 / 55.27
3. Ponting 9904 / 61.93
4. M Waugh 6662 / 52.42
5. S Waugh 6754 / 48.86
6. Border 2556 / 52.16
7. Gilchrist 3948 / 46.44
8. Warne 2005 / 19.09
9. Lee 1003 / 20.06
10. Lillee 381 / 19.05
11. McGrath 603 / 7.63

@ alfie. Swann is correct for England's no.9
@Mike Selig. Thorpe is correct at no. 5
@ Linebreaker. Pretty good, but no.10 is incorrect as far as I can see.

So that just leaves the England no.6 and no.10 to be discovered.
So far we have
1.Gooch
2.Cook
3.Hammond
4.KP
5.Thorpe
6.-
7.Knott
8.Broad
9.Swann
10.-
11.Willis

guildfordbat wrote:For number 6, don't tell me it's Tony Greig - he must have scored some runs to average over 40 as I keep being told on the HoF thread!! Really thought it would be Both with the number of years he played and, I thought, regularly at 6.

Missed this Guildford.
Greig it is!

Hoggy_Bear wrote:@ alfie. Swann is correct for England's no.9
@Mike Selig. Thorpe is correct at no. 5
@ Linebreaker. Pretty good, but no.10 is incorrect as far as I can see.

Oh yeah, Craig McDermott has scored a few more runs batting at 10 than DK Lillee.

Fantastic team... over 46,000 combined runs there.

How about Gus Fraser or Dilley RIP?

Hibbz wrote:How about Gus Fraser or Dilley RIP?

Actually Kwini mentioned the elusive no.10 in an earlier post but put him one place too high.

As for India, I'd go with this.
Gavaskar
Sehwag
Dravid
Tendulkar
Azhar
Kapil
Dhoni
Kumble
Harbhajan
Srinath
Zaheer.

msp83 wrote:As for India, I'd go with this.
Gavaskar
Sehwag
Dravid
Tendulkar
Azhar
Kapil
Dhoni
Kumble
Harbhajan
Srinath
Zaheer.

Top 5 are correct.
No's 6, 7 and 10 are incorrect

Hoggy_Bear wrote:

Hibbz wrote:How about Gus Fraser or Dilley RIP?

Actually Kwini mentioned the elusive no.10 in an earlier post but put him one place too high.

So Freddie Trueman is the missing piece. Hadn't thought of him being number ten so often. Actually surprised one of the more recent players hadn't gone past him given they play so many more matches , but I guess all these tailenders move around a bit in the order.

Hoggy_Bear wrote:

msp83 wrote:As for India, I'd go with this.
Gavaskar
Sehwag
Dravid
Tendulkar
Azhar
Kapil
Dhoni
Kumble
Harbhajan
Srinath
Zaheer.

Top 5 are correct.
No's 6, 7 and 10 are incorrect

Would it be VVS Laxman at 6 and Kapil Dev at 7? And Bishan Bedi at 10?

Greenidge
Haynes
Richards/
Lara or Richards
Chanderpaul
Lloyd
Dujon
Marshall
Holding
Ambrose
Walsh

@msp. Correct!
@Stella. no.3 is incorrect. 4 IS Lara. 6 is wrong, as are 8 and 9 (Ambrose should be 1 place higher). Other than that, pretty good first guess.

Gomes at three? Chanderpaul at 6 as well?

Stella wrote:Gomes at three? Chanderpaul at 6 as well?

Nope afraid not.
Keep guessing though.

#3: Kanhai?

#6: Sobers??

sobers  

Are we still looking for #8 and #9? As well as #3 and #6??

Plus, assume Trueman at #10 was the England #10?

Number 10 - Garner?

Hate to be mining the same seam, but what about Wes Hall for #10?

Kumble at 10 for India ? Martin Crowe, presumably, is in the NZ line-up, with Habibul Basher in for Bangladesh somewhere and Tamim at one.

South Africa suspects must be Smith, Kallis, Boucher at seven or eight and what about Sean Pollock in there as well.

Pakistan - Is Hanif at one or would it be Mudassar or Mohsin Khan ? Javed Miandad at three? Younis Khan at four?

SL - Sangakkara at three and Jayawardene at four.

Also, is there a COMBINED list of just the top 11 from ALL countries ?

kwinigolfer wrote:Hate to be mining the same seam, but what about Wes Hall for #10?

Correct as was Sobers at 6
Only the no.3 for the WIndies to go, I believe.

Richie Richardson

Headley?
Almost as surprised Kanhai was incorrect as I was that Sobers and Hall were right!

Hoggy_Bear wrote:@msp. Correct!
@Stella. no.3 is incorrect. 4 IS Lara. 6 is wrong, as are 8 and 9 (Ambrose should be 1 place higher). Other than that, pretty good first guess.

The calls on VVS and Dev were more informed ones, had considered them originally but then went for the alternative guess, but the one on Bedi was rather a wild one.

So we have the entire lineup for India don't we?
Gavaskar
Sehwag
Dravid
Tendulkar
Azharuddin
Laxman
Dev
Kumble
Harbhajan
Bedi
Zaheer.

msp83 wrote:So we have the entire lineup for India don't we?
Gavaskar
Sehwag
Dravid
Tendulkar
Azharuddin
Laxman
Dev
Kumble
Harbhajan
Bedi
Zaheer.

Yep, that's the full line-up. Dravid to keep wicket?

Stella wrote:Richie Richardson

There you go.
Richie Richardson is the WIndies no.3 giving a line-up of

Greenidge
Haynes
Richardson
Lara
Chanderpaul
Sobers
Dujon
Marshall
Ambrose
Hall
Walsh

Smith
Gibbs
Amla
Kallis
De-Villiers
Cronje
Boucher
Pollock
Steyn
Donald
Ntini

Did cronje score runs at 6? he only averaged 36... What about Prince? I was a tad nervous about listing Smith, he is our greatest opener, but he generally alternates first guard with his partner... so I don't know... he might even be #1 & #2...

kingraf wrote:Did cronje score runs at 6? he only averaged 36... What about Prince? I was a tad nervous about listing Smith, he is our greatest opener, but he generally alternates first guard with his partner... so I don't know... he might even be #1 & #2...

I thought Cronje batted mostly at six, but I could be wrong?

I phrased that wrong... Did Cronje score enough runs at six?

kingraf wrote:I phrased that wrong... Did Cronje score enough runs at six?

Well, he scored a few, and batted mostly at six, so I reckon he's close to be their leading scorer at six. Prince and Duminy haven't played that much, have they?