Barclays Premier League 13/14 Thread Part 'something'

by **Crimey** Thu Dec 05, 2013 11:40 pm

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A place to discuss things all Premier League.

by NickisBHAFC Mon Dec 09, 2013 10:39 am

Yeah if i was an Arsenal fan, Balotelli certainly wouldn't be on my shopping list as he is simply trouble and will more than likely screw the team up. That being said as a neutral id love to see him back in the Prem, what a character!!!

by Fernando Mon Dec 09, 2013 10:49 am

We've definitely been screwed in England. We're stuck with Gary Lineker whilst Italy's version of MOTD has...

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by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon Dec 09, 2013 10:50 am

Form blip and now Benteke isnt up to scratch. He's 23 too. We played Villa on one of their poor days, Benteke was still scary and is a monster threat.

If Arsenal wanna deal in for a striker who can play Champs league football, has pace to burn and can finish with instinct then they should throw the dice on Remy. Money can end a loan contract.

by Hammersmith harrier Mon Dec 09, 2013 11:28 am

Only if Newcastle agree to terminate his loan, he is registered to them for the season and as they are paying for the loan only they and not QPR can terminate it.

by westisbest Mon Dec 09, 2013 8:04 pm

Benteke is still a good player.
Like Dolphin says hes just having a bad run.
Before his injury he was on fire.

Also what needs to be taken into condideration is he's not getting any service from the shower we have in midfield.

Once he sciores he'll be back.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon Dec 09, 2013 8:50 pm

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by westisbest Mon Dec 09, 2013 9:20 pm

Zaha on loan would be good for us.
Would take Hernandez to.

by Liam Mon Dec 09, 2013 10:48 pm

That clear out will not happen in January. 1/2 or two may go but not all of them. The summer however, is a different story. We must buy before we sell, so letting all of them players go without out replacing them would be suicide.

I think we'll be lucky to sign anyone in January. Its such a tough time for top clubs to sign players as many are already cup tied. I think utd need to be looking at Cabaye as a realistic target for January, but only for the short term. The summer is where we start re-building with the likes of Rio, vidic, evra, anderson, nani, cleverly and valencia all leaving. Bring through the youngsters such as Keane, Lindgar, Januzaj etc along with some top class talent.

by Guest Mon Dec 09, 2013 11:06 pm

Cabaye has confirmed he is staying at Newcastle until the summer. He won't want to upset his rhythm at Newcastle & joining a side in a mess before the WC. He'll go in the summer because Ashley knows with his age & his ambition he needs to be sold & we will get a return of around £12m. Same thing with Baines in my opinion at Everton. Oviedo is certainly causing headaches at Everton now. They have a long term replacement for Baines, equally efficient going forwards & defending. Baines could be sold in January for a lesser fee, especially with his age, if United go back in for him. Shaw would be ridiculously over-priced, although a great longer term deal.

My other point is that I'm glad people have come round to understanding my point way back about Giroud. I think Giroud does a good, effective job for Arsenal, however, if they are serious about becoming a force in the game domestically & in Europe, then a quality striker needs to be signed. Lewandowski would be a truly sensational fit at Arsenal. Like a hand in glove in my opinion. Dortmund are in a mess this season, mentally Lewandowski is not at it & needs to be moved on. Balotelli to Arsenal.....no. Not Wenger's style, he's seen Mario at first hand getting sent off at the Emirates for City. Too much baggage.

by Liam Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:43 am

I think utd need to be looking at Ben Davies if they want a promising left back. Has an incredible temperament for such a young age and is just as good, if not better than shaw and will cost less. As good as Baines is, he is 28. He would be a short term fix and within 4 years we'd be looking at him like we are with the Evra situation imo. If he was 2/3 years younger then definitely. Wouldn't want Cabaye in the summer, think we could get better players than him then. I think Mulumbu would be a good signing for Utd although it seems Arsenal are set to get him.

by Guest Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:07 am

Liam wrote:Wouldn't want Cabaye in the summer, think we could get better players than him then.

With no European football to offer? Good luck. Cabaye is genuine class, proven time & time again. Walks into United's midfield with one leg. You couldn't even buy the likes of Cesc or Thiago, even with European football on offer & before the chaos had started.

by mystiroakey Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:11 am

"Wouldn't want Cabaye in the summer, think we could get better players than him then"

Who???

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:17 am

I agree with him. I just did a long post that died with my internet, but I don't see many players choosing Spurs, Everton or Newcastle etc if they finished top four and United didn't.

I also think Cabaye would jump if United came calling. May never get another chance and he'd come in as a hero compared to current options.

by Liam Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:25 am

Strootman and Koke for one, two of the exact players we need. A box to box Keane style player who reluctantly moved to Roma who is clearly crying out for a move to Utd. Why we didn't go for him in the summer i'll never know. Koke may well be in the champions league with an improving atheltico madrid side but they are never going to be a truly big side despite their excellent season so far. Will always play second fiddle to Barca and Real just like Dortmund and the rest do to Bayern in the Bundesliga.

I think both, even if we don't get top 4 would come to us because we are still Man Utd, and the chance to get us back to the top would surely appeal to them imo. Especially if we can hang onto Rooney and RVP.

On Cabaye, I would take him in a heart beat in Jan but would be surprised if he did, like John said staying at Newcastle seems to be sensible in a world cup year, easier to catch the eye although he certainly would for Utd and by doing it for us it boosts his WC starting place chances, look at Cleverly to see how playing for a big name club get's you priorities over other players.

by mystiroakey Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:27 am

Zaha may go to Newcastle on loan as a sweetner .

I can see the move happening in Jan tbh.

by Liam Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:29 am

Yeh makes sense, at least Newcastle get something out of it, although who replaces him in midfield? sissoko with Zaha out wide?

by mystiroakey Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:30 am

I would also loan out Fellani,

I doubt united would recover 10 mill if they tried to sell him. But stick him on loan at a lesser club and he may rediscover something.

There is no need for fellani when you have jones, carrick and as bad as cleverly is i think he is better than Fellani.

by Guest Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:37 am

sorry people, absolute mushy! Zaha to Newcastle????? So that will be sitting next to Ben Arfa on the bench then? Reason why we are playing well is because we dropped HBA/Cisse purely on the fact we couldnt afford to play passengers. Zaha to do a better job than Sissoko offensively/defensively....no chance.

If United want to prize Cabaye away, open your cheque book & give us near £18m for a 27 year old. Arsenal have already seen how difficult Ashley makes negotiations. Ashley will make mince meat out of Woodward or whoever comes calling. Cabaye barely two weeks ago, 'I want to play Champions League football in the future'......United are ninth & look appalling. Cabaye's just scored the winner at your club & knows first hand how dire you are. United with no Champions League next season, Rooney leaving.....do you seriously think your going to be attractive, just because of name or history?

Strootman, hardly a world beater. How much for him, £20m + from Roma, where does that leave Fellaini? Koke, huge talent but would he risk moving abroad to United & leave European football behind at a resurgent Atletico?

Just think United fans are in for a big shock in the next few months, if they havent been shocked so far. The Rooney saga will emerge soon.....

by mystiroakey Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:39 am

zaha can play up front , in the middle or on the left- he wouldn't have to take over the right.

Anyway. how about Man U give you fellani and zaha?

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by J.Benson II Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:40 am

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:http://m.101greatgoals.com/blog/manchester-united-may-axe-ten-players-in-a-brutal-january-clearout-manchester-evening-news/

Will it begin? #freeshinji

With the exception of perhaps one or two, I can't see United off-loading any of them during the Winter. Most of the names in that list are decent squad options. The issue for United is that some of those players regularly find themselves in the starting 11, which, for a team of United's calibre, simply shouldnt be the case. United need to bring in the quality first before any clear out.

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Form blip and now Benteke isnt up to scratch. He's 23 too. We played Villa on one of their poor days, Benteke was still scary and is a monster threat.

Not saying he's no good, but more that Arsenal need a foward who can hit the ground running and who is a significant level above Giroud.
However limited he may be, Giroud at least has been scoring failry consistantly this season while the same can not be said of Benteke.
Arsenal need someone who is good enough to relegate Giroud to the bench where he really ought to be for a title challenging side. I'm not convinced Benteke or Hernandez could do this.
On the other hand, Lewandowski easily would. If the Pole goes to Bayern instead, than perhaps Arsenal could swoop for a unsettled Mandzukic. Dortmund will look to replace Lewandowski with Dzeko probably.
Pato is talented but would be a gamble seeing as his career has been a disappointment so far.
Morata has also been touted. I don't know much about the Madrid foward but on Wiki, it says that his style is comparable to Morientes, which isn't a good omen for a British club.

by mystiroakey Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:44 am

Arsenal will not go for Benteke.

He isnt Wenger's type of player. Wenger could have easily got him in the summer when he was actually on form. There is no chance in Jan.

Wenger will not buy a player unless he is value or good enough. Villa will not let Benteke go for less than 18, That deal is not going to happen

by compelling and rich Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:45 am

Were desperately missing a good engine in midfield with a bit of pace. Not sure cabaye offers that. Good midfielder but quite similar to carrick for me. He would still easy get in our team but thats not saying much at the moment.

And anyone saying that he or others wouldn't join united because no champions league needs to reassess the modern day footballer. We can offer some if the best wages in world football. Players "ambition" soon lowers with a healthy pay packet

by mystiroakey Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:53 am

What about United going for youth

Tom ince, will Hughes or Morrison(again)

by Liam Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:54 am

Mulumbu can be our engine. Very underrated player and has been excellent for WBA this season. Will probably cost around 12-14m but my friend who is a WBA fan says he'll be around the 20m mark which i would be reluctant to pay.

by Guest Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:58 am

So United's answer is Davies from Swansea, Mulumbu from WBA, Koke from Atletico & Strootman from Roma.

picard

This is what I mean, when I say United should be worried. Even the fans are now understanding that the likes of Cesc, Modric or players of that level are long gone.

by mystiroakey Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:59 am

They could still get Modric

by Guest Tue Dec 10, 2013 2:03 am

Not with Khedira out. Illarremendi, Alonso & Modric is what Carlo has been going with. Behind Bale, Ronaldo & Benzema. Even Isco has found himself benched.

by compelling and rich Tue Dec 10, 2013 2:04 am

Ive heard good things about mulumbu but havent seen enough of him to make my own judgement.

Think playing the flat 442 hasnt been working for us for a while. Totally isolates a already weak midfield. Would like to see us play 3 in the middle but cant currently because it means dropping one of our best players. If rooney doesn't want to play for the club let him go but he's a lot more stupid than people already think of him if he thinks he can go to our rivals on the cheap. We'll dictate where he goes if he does and despite losing one if our best players I think our team will have a better balance because if it. If given service rvp has shown he can carry the team without rooney

Need some new wingers/wide attacking mids aswell. Nani and young are embarrassing.

by Guest Tue Dec 10, 2013 2:06 am

Nani on that brand spanking new 5 year deal will be tough to shift. Young back to Villa is a possibility

by mystiroakey Tue Dec 10, 2013 2:07 am

well compelling if you have that view on Rooney- you need to go for a swap deal, which would mean Rooney going to a top club.

chelsea will offer money/swap deal sooner or later.

by Liam Tue Dec 10, 2013 2:11 am

John wrote:So United's answer is Davies from Swansea, Mulumbu from WBA, Koke from Atletico & Strootman from Roma.

This is what I mean, when I say United should be worried. Even the fans are now understanding that the likes of Cesc, Modric or players of that level are long gone.

Your just basing their talents on the clubs they're establishing or have established themselves at. Koke is the future of the Spanish side, would be a great signing. Mulumbu has been excellent all season and would get into many of the top clubs, arsenal are after him and that's ok but soon as utd are mentioned he's not good enough? Davies was outstanding last year, and is a top PL left back and he's only 20, would be an excellent signing with the potential to get even better.

Cesc wants to reitre at Barca and would only go back to Arsenal so not sure what your point there is. Modric I would love but he seems to be settled at Madrid and Ancellotti seems a fan of his unfortunately.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Tue Dec 10, 2013 2:20 am

It was also a little point on how they would have to operate in January. And maybe how they'd have to buy talent that would accumulate worth rather than be bang on it straightaway. And still, I think it's naive to think Cabaye would think Newcastle are a more attractive proposition than United, even on this poor form. Any success is only followed by implosion, you know that, it's the Newcastle way. I'd love to say Morrison would stay with us too, but ties or not it is very hard for a player in this league especially to turn down United.

by Guest Tue Dec 10, 2013 2:25 am

I just have to laugh. If I'd said United should buy Mulumbu 12 months ago or Davies, I would of been laughed at. I know it, you know....don't deny it. Agree, United's transfer dealings will have to change now DZ.

Not saying Cabaye would not leave, he is going to leave, but it will be after the WC. Ashley will sell when it's the right time, not just fall over & hand you our best player on a plate. If he gets shirty, we'll tell him to rot in the reserves. Can you see him doing that before a WC? No chance. Ball is in our court.

by compelling and rich Tue Dec 10, 2013 2:25 am

mystiroakey wrote:well compelling if you have that view on Rooney- you need to go for a swap deal, which would mean Rooney going to a top club.

chelsea will offer money/swap deal sooner or later.

yeah i was quite happy when the mata swap deal was mentioned, still on current form ones a bench warmer the others a key player so would want some money as well as mourinho clearly doesnt rate mata as much as we rate rooney.

call me a idealist but i want people who want to play for the club, rooney can go but if chelsea want him we'll bend them over a barrell, lets face it they paid 50 mil for torres and rooneys current from is much better than torres when chelsea signed him

we sing it often enough, but we'll never die. united will be around long past rooney and with the structure we have and money even with the current blip we'll be around champions league places soon enough, we knew there was a drop coming after fergie, perhaps not as bad as its currently but its not possible that we'll drop out of contention totally in the long term, money talks these days

by compelling and rich Tue Dec 10, 2013 2:28 am

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:It was also a little point on how they would have to operate in January. And maybe how they'd have to buy talent that would accumulate worth rather than be bang on it straightaway. And still, I think it's naive to think Cabaye would think Newcastle are a more attractive proposition than United, even on this poor form. Any success is only followed by implosion, you know that, it's the Newcastle way. I'd love to say Morrison would stay with us too, but ties or not it is very hard for a player in this league especially to turn down United.

cabaye was quite happy leaving newcastle for arsenal, a team that havent won a trophy for 8 years and at the time didnt look like it would change anytime soon, but he wouldnt come to the biggest club in england and current champions picard

by mystiroakey Tue Dec 10, 2013 2:30 am

Well to be fair to Rooney. He is playing really well and hasn't said a word about leaving. RVP on the other hand isn't and has..

I am sure other clubs will kick start some speculation soon though.

It is the last thing united needs,

by compelling and rich Tue Dec 10, 2013 2:37 am

not seen anything where he wants to leave its purely rumors, rooney has handed in two transfer requests and the third wont be far behind if we dont make champions league

rvp has just released a statement and says nothing about leaving, couldnt be more opposite

by Guest Tue Dec 10, 2013 2:39 am

I'm saying he (Cabaye) wouldn't join you ahead of PSG or Arsenal now & they would both come in for him. Current champions, yeah, soon to change though.

Nobody is saying he isn't going to leave us, he is. I've already accepted it but we are in a position now where we hold the cards. We don't need to sell, we are not in a relegation fight & we can turn around to him & say, 'if you want to leave, sit in the reserves n jeopardise your WC'. We will sell in the summer, when it suits us & can find a suitable replacement. Not be dictated terms by the ninth placed team in the EPL, who are essentially desperate.

by compelling and rich Tue Dec 10, 2013 2:50 am

compelling and rich wrote:not seen anything where he wants to leave its purely rumors, rooney has handed in two transfer requests and the third wont be far behind if we dont make champions league

rvp has just released a statement and says nothing about leaving, couldnt be more opposite

technically not right by me that, he's asked to leave twice he cant hand a transfer request in otherwise he loses his loyalty bonuses, got to love the modern day footballer its not like were paying him a million a month!!!

by mystiroakey Tue Dec 10, 2013 3:01 am

Does it matter if currently he hasn't asked to leave- and the fact that he is still trying 100%

by Liam Tue Dec 10, 2013 3:04 am

John wrote:I just have to laugh. If I'd said United should buy Mulumbu 12 months ago or Davies, I would of been laughed at. I know it, you know....don't deny it. Agree, United's transfer dealings will have to change now DZ.

Not saying Cabaye would not leave, he is going to leave, but it will be after the WC. Ashley will sell when it's the right time, not just fall over & hand you our best player on a plate. If he gets shirty, we'll tell him to rot in the reserves. Can you see him doing that before a WC? No chance. Ball is in our court.

Maybe other utd fans but I have have championed Davies since last season and would prefer him to Luke Shaw or Baines. Mulumbu has been excellent for the last couple of seasons and has been linked with big clubs for a while now. This utd midfield is basically the same as last season so would have happily taken him last season also.

by NickisBHAFC Tue Dec 10, 2013 3:11 am

Fernando wrote:We've definitely been screwed in England. We're stuck with Gary Lineker whilst Italy's version of MOTD has...

Spoiler:

#BringBackTehHumpSmiley

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by compelling and rich Tue Dec 10, 2013 3:22 am

mystiroakey wrote:Does it matter if currently he hasn't asked to leave- and the fact that he is still trying 100%

call me a forward thinking hippie but i have the clubs long term interest at heart not just one player playing well to try and angle a move away

by mystiroakey Tue Dec 10, 2013 3:25 am

compelling and rich wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:Does it matter if currently he hasn't asked to leave- and the fact that he is still trying 100%

call me a forward thinking hippie but i have the clubs long term interest at heart not just one player playing well to try and angle a move away

Do you blame him?

by Liam Tue Dec 10, 2013 3:31 am

I don't. He gives 100% when he plays and if we aren't improving the squad whilst others are and we start slipping away I can't blame him for asking what the hell our policy is and wanting to join a club willing to buy the best. Would be a great shame to lose him, he will definitely go if we don't get top 4 and we will have to try and recoup a massive transfer fee of around 60m hopefully. Then we can use that to rebuild the squad. In an ideal world, we cling on to a top 4 place and rooney stays whilst we invest. Not looking good right now but I have faith.

by compelling and rich Tue Dec 10, 2013 3:32 am

mystiroakey wrote:
compelling and rich wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:Does it matter if currently he hasn't asked to leave- and the fact that he is still trying 100%

call me a forward thinking hippie but i have the clubs long term interest at heart not just one player playing well to try and angle a move away

Do you blame him?

he was asking to leave the best team in the prem to go to a poorer team last season, chelsea are hardly miles ahead of us even in our terrible current form. we were a better team last season when he was asking to leave. if he wanted to go barca/bayern/real etc i could understand, but they dont want him and he'll struggle to get in there team.

so i really dont understand where he was coming from last season

by Liam Tue Dec 10, 2013 3:34 am

I don't see Rooney when on form struggling to get into the Bayern/Barca sides. He'd get in front of Mandzuckic in a heartbeat and also in Barca where Neyman and Messi would play either side of him

by compelling and rich Tue Dec 10, 2013 3:35 am

think he's been spending too much time on fifa if he thinks demba ba, eto willian, de bruyne, mark schwarzer is a team who strengthening really stronger than united

only schurrle looks like a decent signing so far

by J.Benson II Tue Dec 10, 2013 4:00 am

I think Rooney just wants a change. He's been at United for years now and probably wants a new challenge before he starts to slide.
I think he wants to stay in England and a London based club is most logical.
Chelsea would be ideal. Big club, big aspirations and a big manager. Not to mention a midfield with is stacked with quality - Hazard, Oscar, Mata & Schurrle are all top players that Rooney can link with.
Compare that to what United currently have.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Tue Dec 10, 2013 4:32 am

John wrote:I just have to laugh. If I'd said United should buy Mulumbu 12 months ago or Davies, I would of been laughed at. I know it, you know....don't deny it. Agree, United's transfer dealings will have to change now DZ.

Not saying Cabaye would not leave, he is going to leave, but it will be after the WC. Ashley will sell when it's the right time, not just fall over & hand you our best player on a plate. If he gets shirty, we'll tell him to rot in the reserves. Can you see him doing that before a WC? No chance. Ball is in our court.

I think he'd like to go, I'm not saying it would definitely happen but he'd choose that option of the choice was there. Newcastle would ramp up the price as much as they could and be content to play hard ball but they'd have a limit too.

I agree with you, I never said I didn't, you've dragged me way out of context, but it's realistic to consider that in the January window because they may also want to escape people who are cup tied in te champs league. And United have often looked to bring on players with potential to show more on a bigger stage. If Fergie signed them the attitude would be different which just shows how much transfer dealings are a PR game now too

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