England vs Wales 9th March

First topic message reminder :

Let's look towards the next game after getting ourselves back on track against France, just like last year, after the Irish put the spanner in the works.

jimmyinthewell68 wrote:when cuthbert scored those two trys against England and how he celebrated doesn't seem English to me   

Do you think he was bullied (not by May) at school?  

The Welsh taught him a more overstated ebullient way to celebrate. Not like the more modest Ashton celebration.

So who are we all supporting today?

Surely it's underdog day.

C'mon Scotland and Italy.

I'm supporting scratch, and PSW; I'm looking for big weekends from both of them. Some insightful comments from the first whistle, a solid middle section not leaking any points before half time. The abrasive pair with contrasting styles should present plenty of entertainment and a interesting contest of styles for the neutral.

Surprised to read both ESPN and Planet Rugby's previews have Wales to get a narrow win. Surprising seeing everything written is about the exciting and impressive young England lads rather than the faltering welsh...?

Roman Poite often favours a stronger scrum, I presume the journos are alluding to Wales pipping England up front again...?

Linebreaker wrote:

jimmyinthewell68 wrote:when cuthbert scored those two trys against England and how he celebrated doesn't seem English to me   

Do you think he was bullied (not by May) at school?  

                 i can't imagine a six foot plus school boy would ever be bullied unless by a second row

jimmyinthewell68 wrote:

Linebreaker wrote:

jimmyinthewell68 wrote:when cuthbert scored those two trys against England and how he celebrated doesn't seem English to me   

Do you think he was bullied (not by May) at school?  

                 i can't imagine a six foot plus school boy would ever be bullied unless by a second row

Hence why I specifically excluded Jonny May from the bullying bit.  

jimmyinthewell68 wrote:

Linebreaker wrote:

jimmyinthewell68 wrote:when cuthbert scored those two trys against England and how he celebrated doesn't seem English to me   

Do you think he was bullied (not by May) at school?  

                 i can't imagine a six foot plus school boy would ever be bullied unless by a second row

Perhaps he was a late developer?

I remember the year group two ahead of me at school - one little kid was often being bullied (in fact I once went head to head with his prime bullier who was a big fecker who was pushing some of my friends around - I lost but mashed his nose and never again were my friends picked on). This kid left for the summer holidays between 4th and 5th forms (years 10/11 for youngsters) a titch, came back 6 inches taller and built like a brick outhouse.

Planet rugby backed Ireland last week,it means nothing.

If you look at recent history and with England at home I can't see how there's going to be anything other than an English win and a comfortable one at that.

Since the Lions I haven't seen one game where Wales gave been convincing.

Against France they defended well, but France still got around them but were unable to convert the score due to forced passes.

The welsh front row isn't as potent.

Newbie at lock. Lost charteris.

Lydiate not on form

Rhys Webb newbie

Priestland hot and cold

JD2 not match fit

HP loss of form since lions

Hibbard can't throw.

AWJ can't catch.

Falatau isn't as good a ball carrier as Ben Morgan.

Gatlands tactics doesn't have a Plan B.

So, having picked up the above "facts" regarding Wales I cannot conceivably see how on earth Wales can win.

That's sorted then.Shant bother going now!

Taff I would sell your ticket if I were you

Ah, thank you Slartibartfast for redefining the word "fact". There was me thinking that a fact is something that is known to be true, or you could say, the truth about events as opposed to interpretation. But as every one of your "facts" is open to interpretation I shall put out some of my own that will prove beyond doubt that Wales will triumph!

England backs are the size of minnows

Brown is a better goalie than he is a full back

Ben Morgan is Welsh

May is afraid of Cuthbert

Twelvetrees has never been on form

etc ...

... and with those facts there can only be one winner, Cymru am byth!

I can see England beating us the Ronan O'Gara way. Kick into touch in our territory and give our lineout a hard time. Our lineout is the likely Achilles' heel. If we can win our lineout ball ok we've got a decent chance, if it goes to pot, we're in for a long day.

Rugger my "facts" is a summary of some of the chaff I come across on this board ( AWJ is Naf in the lineout though)

Wales have generally been poor , another win at twickenham would be one of the biggest shocks in welsh rugby history and a nightmare for Lancaster.

slartibartfast wrote:Rugger my "facts" is a summary of some of the chaff I come across on this board ( AWJ is Naf in the lineout though)

Wales have generally been poor , another win at twickenham would be one of the biggest shocks in welsh rugby history and a nightmare for Lancaster.

Wales are the only top tier team that England have consistently lost to under Lancaster. They haven't scored a try against Wales since before the last work cup.

slartibartfast wrote:If you look at recent history and with England at home I can't see how there's going to be anything other than an English win and a comfortable one at that.

Since the Lions I haven't seen one game where Wales gave been convincing.

Against France they defended well, but France still got around them but were unable to convert the score due to forced passes.

The welsh front row isn't as potent.

Newbie at lock. Lost charteris.

Lydiate not on form

Rhys Webb newbie

Priestland hot and cold

JD2 not match fit

HP loss of form since lions

Hibbard can't throw.

AWJ can't catch.

Falatau isn't as good a ball carrier as Ben Morgan.

Gatlands tactics doesn't have a Plan B.

So, having picked up the above "facts" regarding Wales I cannot conceivably see how on earth Wales can win.

I can

England have missed the most tackles and have the worst tackle success % in the tournament.

England haven't beaten Wales for 3 years

England haven't scored a try v Wales for 3 years.

Make no mistake, English pundits are running scared. Witness Dean Ryan blatantly referring to Tarpaule as 'Toby' in today's Guardian.

Amateur wummery. Like Toby would even read The Guardian.

Just out of interest how many point would either Wales or England have too win by to give them a chance of winning the tournament?

After watching today's Ireland v Italy game and the amount of points Ireland scored.

England need to win by about 30 and then win by about 50 v italy. not exactly easy is it

wales by about 100 in two games!

 You after GE's   er...record scratch? Faletau or whatever his name is, reads The Telegraph. Perfect for his copy of South pacific babes magazine, discreetly tucked inside...

mystiroakey wrote:England need to win by about 30 and then win by about 50 v italy. not exactly easy is it

wales by about 100 in two games!

That will be pretty tough to do.

mystiroakey wrote:England need to win by about 30 and then win by about 50 v italy. not exactly easy is it

wales by about 100 in two games!

The only hope for either side title-wise is that France beat Ireland in the final game.

As for tomorrow, I'll say England by 6 but it really is very close. All three results a possibility.

Giving England the nod...just.

Yes of course rugby will be the winner, but which of these two sides will score the greater number of points, that is the question we're all keen to know?

My two pennith; well I think who dares most will win.

Is there a question mark against the Welsh given they didn't turn up in Dublin?

Is there a question mark against the English given their injuries and indifferent selection management?

Ultimately it will be down to the players on the field on the day, however how much of that will be influenced by their respective coaching team’s abilities/decisions.........

Let's just hope that both sides take full advantage of the perfect conditions. Creativity, accuracy, power and pace......the world will be watching.

maestegmafia wrote:

slartibartfast wrote:Rugger my "facts" is a summary of some of the chaff I come across on this board ( AWJ is Naf in the lineout though)

Wales have generally been poor , another win at twickenham would be one of the biggest shocks in welsh rugby history and a nightmare for Lancaster.

Wales are the only top tier team that England have consistently lost to under Lancaster. They haven't scored a try against Wales since before the last work cup.

wales are not a top tier team. that's why they are in the same group as australia and england for RWC

Casartelli wrote:Make no mistake, English pundits are running scared.  Witness Dean Ryan blatantly referring to Tarpaule as 'Toby' in today's Guardian.

Amateur wummery.  Like Toby would even read The Guardian.

suspect Taulupe would prefer to be called Toby than Tarpaule.

quinsforever wrote:
wales are not a top tier team. that's why they are in the same group as australia and england for RWC

  miaow   

quinsforever wrote:

maestegmafia wrote:

slartibartfast wrote:Rugger my "facts" is a summary of some of the chaff I come across on this board ( AWJ is Naf in the lineout though)

Wales have generally been poor , another win at twickenham would be one of the biggest shocks in welsh rugby history and a nightmare for Lancaster.

Wales are the only top tier team that England have consistently lost to under Lancaster. They haven't scored a try against Wales since before the last work cup.

wales are not a top tier team. that's why they are in the same group as australia and england for RWC

in which case, how humiliating for england that they cannot beat them or even score a try against them

on any given day, lots of teams lose to weaker sides.

the top tier is defined by results against everyone. including japan

'on our day' . etc we can lose to anyone
(Wales)

quinsforever wrote:on any given day, lots of teams lose to weaker sides.

the top tier is defined by results against everyone. including japan

and Wales   

Scratch wrote:

quinsforever wrote:on any given day, lots of teams lose to weaker sides.

the top tier is defined by results against everyone. including japan

and Wales   

Have England ever lost to Japan?  

Unlike Wales?  

Scratch wrote:

quinsforever wrote:on any given day, lots of teams lose to weaker sides.

the top tier is defined by results against everyone. including japan

and Wales   

yes, but losing to japan, samoa, argentina, etc, etc is what stops wales being a "top tier" side. oh, and not beating SA/Aus/NZ in recent memory which would have gone some way you counteracting the more embarrassing losses IRB-rankings-wise.

majesticimperialman wrote:

Scratch wrote:

quinsforever wrote:on any given day, lots of teams lose to weaker sides.

the top tier is defined by results against everyone. including japan

and Wales   

Have England ever lost to Japan?  

Unlike Wales?  

what you bragging about? And you quins! Neither of you have had any hand in any England win ever you just happen to support them because you fell out of your mum on that side of an imaginary line.
Then we look to wales losing to japan, so how many times have you beat japan again? Not the team you support,You? Come on enlighten us.

You two are the ultimate arm chair fans who do little else because you see yourself in the same bracket of success as a team you support,you coat tail results like all should bow to you for the success of others.

Anyways best if luck tomorrow Madge and quins hope you both play well.

quinsforever wrote:

Scratch wrote:

quinsforever wrote:on any given day, lots of teams lose to weaker sides.

the top tier is defined by results against everyone. including japan

and Wales   

yes, but losing to japan, samoa, argentina, etc, etc is what stops wales being a "top tier" side. oh, and not beating SA/Aus/NZ in recent memory which would have gone some way you counteracting the more embarrassing losses IRB-rankings-wise.

dear me quins your on one tonight looking down your nose at others because of events that had nothing to do with you,
You must really have nothing going for you beyond this forum, you really have crossed the line of reality.

I think DeludedOptimist is a bit confused on what being a rugby fan means, and the difference between a fan and an international rugby player.

Never mind dear, take a lie down

BamBam wrote:I think DeludedOptimist is a bit confused on what being a rugby fan means, and the difference between a fan and an international rugby player.

Never mind dear, take a lie down

no I'm an avid fan but how could I stand there and laugh say at Cardiff blues losing to zebra then goad Cardiff fans on how rubbish they are when the reality is it has nothing to do with me and I have never played against zebra?
Fans can say a lot but when they start to act bigger than they are an see it as a reason to look down on other fans because of the success of a team they happen to support I'm sorry but that is delusional,
Like a Tyson fan thinking he could knock any one out because he backs Tyson.

majesticimperialman wrote:

Scratch wrote:

quinsforever wrote:on any given day, lots of teams lose to weaker sides.

the top tier is defined by results against everyone. including japan

and Wales   

Have England ever lost to Japan?  

Unlike Wales?  

we were busy winning the lions for england et al, someone had to do it.   

quinsforever wrote:

Scratch wrote:

quinsforever wrote:on any given day, lots of teams lose to weaker sides.

the top tier is defined by results against everyone. including japan

and Wales   

yes, but losing to japan, samoa, argentina, etc, etc is what stops wales being a "top tier" side. oh, and not beating SA/Aus/NZ in recent memory which would have gone some way you counteracting the more embarrassing losses IRB-rankings-wise.

quins did you eat a bad curry tonight?

what is 'embarassing' is fielding 1 lion on a winning tour, failing to beat or even score a try v a 2nd tier side for 3 years and squandering numerous grand slam 6 nations campaigns...1999 (5 nations) 2011. 2013....i know there are many more.

Anyway guys enough with the petty wumming it'll be a fantastic occasion and I honestly can't see much between the two sides. Wales will definitely have the psychological edge and for me, have more firepower to seal a close game with one act of brilliance. Either way, imo, its Ireland's tournament to lose and I can't see a woeful france side preventing them next week in Paris.

Have a wonderful game tomorrow and entertain us all across Europe.

BUT.....try to do it by taking only 3 points each  I know, I know, that's not leaving a whole helluva lot for you to be creative with but................ well, Gats will think of something...

You know what.

I wouldn't even mind if Ireland did beat France next week and win the tournament.

Obviously there's still two games left for us to play but I see nothing in Englands games so far to say that they're the best of the 6Nations.

Likewise Ireland and Wales but i'll let Ireland have it as they're pretty friendly and that BOD bloke seems like a good player.

Ireland are putting in the performances and deserve it so far as I am concerned,even though England beat them closely. France are poor, with a chance of a 1st or 2nd place being travesty of fortune... Wales ? 2nd/3rd place playoff with England ..Will know later.

Glad we've got some perfect weather for the occasion, just wish we could have had the perfect ref.

Ah well, should still be a great game.

Tension is mounting......

The Mods will be having there meeting as we speak.. What will there game plan be..

England 20 - Wales 22

No wait....

England 18 - Wales 12

Um.... No.....

England 9 - Wales 32

No

Yes

Ok my honest prediction

England 30 - 3 Wales.

Mysti, I refuse to believe Wales can play as badly as they did in Dublin.

England 30 - Wales 9

England

2 tries
1 conversion
4 penalties

26

Wales

1 try
1 conversion
3 penalties

16

England 26 - Wales 16

mystiroakey wrote:Tension is mounting......

The Mods will be having there meeting as we speak.. What will there game plan be..

There you have it...

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