Glasgow Warriors v Ospreys Friday 28 March 14 1935 hrs Scotstoun Stadium

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A real 8 pointer.  I would like to see this team :-

15 Murchie
14 Seymour
11 Matawalu
13 Vernon
12 Bennett   Dunbar could do with a wee rest
10 Jackson - DW needs a wee rest too and has a broken nose
9 Cusiter
8 Strauss
7 Holmes
6 Harley
5 Gray
4 Swinson
3 Welsh
2 Hall
1 Reid

16 Yaya 17 Brown 18 Cross 19 Nakawara 20 Jedi 21 Russell 22 Pyrgos 23 Isles (kidding of course) - Lee Jones

TJ wrote:

Welshmushroom wrote:

funnyExiledScot wrote:Good result Glasgow, impressive defence as always, and the two mad Fijians were outstanding. Cracking finish from Seymour. Shame Weir didn't kick better, would have spared the nervous finale.

Thought the ref was poor at the breakdown. AWJ got away with all sorts.

Wouldn't disagree but I would point out I thought Glasgow should have had a card for their ruck offence on their own 5 metre line not to mention a few clear cut holding offences that the ref allowed Glasgow to clear out without pulling it up.  So you could argue he actually made equally bad calls for the Ospreys during the match.  For me the lack of yellow card on a professional foul probably being the most clear cut of all of them.

How about when Matowalo was taken off the ball without having his hands on it by an offside player at a ruck?   Three different offences

I wouldn't disagree with that either. But as I said only 1 clear cut yellow card in that match so Glasgow are lucky to finish with 15 players. On another day its a card is all im saying.
The one your referring to wouldn't have been carded but penalized on another day.

That said I still think Glasgow deserved the win today in a close encounter. Well played.

If Horne comes back does that put Jackson fourth choice behind three others Scots?

Nematode wrote:

GLove39 wrote:Imagine playing a drinking game where for ever knock on, fumble or bad call you take a shot...

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Sorry, had a few shots already...

   

I thought the Ospreys odd good and were very unlucky. But from this match alone the Ospreys have uncovered to futures Gems in Otten and Baker. Have been a an of Baker since he has MOM vs Italy for the u20's. He looks fine talent coming through. Has the same factors of a Picomoles mold. One for the not so far future I hope. I was also worried about the depth of hooker at the ospreys for next season but with Baldwin, Parry and Otten there are a few good developing hookers there.

That late try could be crucial come the end of the season. Not plain sailing for Glasgow yet though. Below are the matches and I've highlighted what could be tricky matches.

Glasgow
Home matches: Edinburgh Treviso Ulster Zebre
Away: Munster Treviso

Ospreys
Home:  Leinster Connacht
Away: Dragons Zebre

RDW_Scotland wrote:Matawalu is having a mare

RDW,

now know your day job is as a Scotland selector !  

BigGee wrote:This TV review thing is challenging, the ref was standing right beside them when they were contesting the kick and waved play on, but we still have to go to a replay and a five minute break. Its not helping the look or flow of the game

TV replays should only be used when there are Big screens in the ground. When they are not its a a bit of joke, as the fans who have paid good money to see the game, have no idea what's happening.

Thought tonight's game was relatively poor up until the last five minutes. Thought Strauss was MOM, although both Locks and Hall were good as well. Niko was poor again on the wing, only came to life when he went to Scrum half. Weir missing a pretty routine conversion almost cost us dear, even with him now fans are not surprised when anything except bang in front is missed.

Didn't get to see this but any win over the Ospreys should be dipped in bronze.

Surely when Hogg is allowed come off the naughty step in a fortnight's time, we can get back to 15 Hogg 11 Seymour 14 Maitland.

In all honesty, I think we have to be encouraged by the fact that we're in 5th with 2 games in hand without having played consistently as well or as coherently as last season. Absolutely no TBPs but we've conceded 11 tries fewer than Leinster.

21st Century Schizoid Man wrote:

RDW_Scotland wrote:Matawalu is having a mare

RDW,

now know your day job is as a Scotland selector !  

To be fair 21st, for the first 70 minutes he was having a mare showing all his bad qualities, then the last 10 minutes he showed all that's good about him!

It was the same for Glasgow - the first 70 mins they played like headless chickens.

Strauss immense as always - in fact another incredible forward effort all round. Weir and Maitland saved certain Osprey tries in 2nd 40. John Lacey is totally incompetent at this level, and I never thought I would say this, but actually worse than Clownshoes Clancy !

I think Matawalu is much better at 9, and as an impact player. Maitland looked decent off the bench so I'd start him back on the wing from now on. The Glasgow scrum went well I though, although Lacey didn't really know what to do in that regard.

Hopefully Edinburgh can replicate the result this evening.

Lacey was poor I thought. I usually don't have time for those who criticise refs especially with the one eye we all have when judging officials performance but while I saw a series of mistakes from the ref go against Glasgow I am sure the Os fans saw the same against their team.

The Exfoliators have the Guvnor Nigel Owens tonight, which is reassuring.

Mad Mata won us that game and also, by his speed of thought and reaction, prevented Ospreys stealing it by charging down Biggar's 82nd minute drop goal attempt and then fly hacking the ball over the try line. Lacey awarded us Russell's try then the Osprey deputation dissuaded him - rightly tbh, but we need to start doing this now esp. to idiot refs like Lacey, Clancy, Hodges etc

21st Century Schizoid Man wrote:Mad Mata won us that game and also, by his speed of thought and reaction, prevented Ospreys stealing it by charging down Biggar's 82nd minute drop goal attempt and then fly hacking the ball over the try line.   Lacey awarded us Russell's try then the Osprey deputation dissuaded him - rightly tbh, but we need to start doing this now esp. to idiot refs like Lacey, Clancy, Hodges etc

Good win, but one thing I didn't understand in the disallowed try at the end. Ref who was right on the spot shouts "play on" at the possible knock on, and then once the try is scored takes it back to the TMO to see if its knocked on. TMO then, rightly in my opinion, disallows the try for a knock on. The ref then awards a penalty to Ospreys because Strauss who was in front, and therefore offside, of the person who knocks on the ball, picks it up. Surely as even the ref thought it was not a knock on, and even more so because he shouts "play on", it should have been accidentally offside, and a scrum the resulting award.

I think 'play on' was used because he was unsure on whether the ball had been knocked on by Glasgow. If it hadn't - and he'd called up Glasgow immediately - then they'd not have had the opportunity to score, if you get what I mean.

should have been scrum not pen IMO given the shout of "play on"

TJ wrote:should have been scrum not pen IMO given the shout of "play on"

Totally agree!  How can you be deliberately offside when the Ref has told you that the ball, in his opinion has not been knocked on and to play on?

....and another monster effort from Johnny Gray. Is fast overtaking his brother imho !

The difference between Lacey and Owens, who reffed Edinburgh yesterday, was stark. Competence vs incompetence.

Agreed Schizoid, Jonny Gray is becoming extremely useful and very consistent. He and Bob Harley work well in defence making the rucks horrible for the opposition, and allowing Naka to show boat. Gray x2 and Gilchrist are the future, three young and talented players all a good size for the international arena.

Right, slate me if you want, but I thought Lacey was average, not great but not awful. The game was relatively free flowing and he a) picked up on Tipuric handling the ball in the ruck for us to get 3 and ii) didn't yellow card us around 65 mins when O were v close, oh and 3) didn't allow a quick lineout for the os where they'd have scored.

21st Century Schizoid Man wrote:....and another monster effort from Johnny Gray.  Is fast overtaking his brother imho !

He already has in my books, he actually reminds me of Richie of 2 or 3 years ago when he was at his best. Jonny is better at close quarters and Richie better when given space.
They complement each other very well and should form a formidable pairing.

Would be good to see J Gray and R Gray partnering up in the Summer tour. I think Swinson's form has dipped a bit over the few months sadly, unsure about Gilchrist's form.

Maybe Richie could fill the Naka role for Scotland and then a back row of Harley, Rennie and Denton would also be very effective.

i remember richie saying in an interview when he first broke onto the scene that his wee brother was a better player than him, or something to that effect.

Re Lacey being absolutely bobbins, as bad as he was at least it wasnt one sided, both teams suffered from some terrible decisions.

Jonny and Richies' coach at Kelvinside said in an interview that Jonny was actually the more natural footballer and carrier. Let's see. How has Grant Gilchrist been playing?

Got to say I think I've underrated Harley. Watched him in particular vs Ospreys and he tackled constantly and was intelligent at the breakdown. Would like to see him get more of a shot in the summer tour.

George Carlin wrote:Jonny and Richies' coach at Kelvinside said in an interview that Jonny was actually the more natural footballer and carrier. Let's see. How has Grant Gilchrist been playing?

Gilchrist has been playing very well for Edinburgh this season, and has been calling a very successful lineout. He's big ball carrier and puts in a hell of a lot of work around the park.

He's another that will never truly be accepted by our western brethren, but he has been playing well. Shame for him that the 2nd row is so competitive for Scotland.

RDW_Scotland wrote:

George Carlin wrote:Jonny and Richies' coach at Kelvinside said in an interview that Jonny was actually the more natural footballer and carrier. Let's see. How has Grant Gilchrist been playing?

Gilchrist has been playing very well for Edinburgh this season, and has been calling a very successful lineout. He's big ball carrier and puts in a hell of a lot of work around the park.

He's another that will never truly be accepted by our western brethren, but he has been playing well.  Shame for him that the 2nd row is so competitive for Scotland.

Would you like some vinegarsauce with yer chips? Gilchrist has been making steady progress since his return from the MacPhail scholarship in NZ a couple of years back - probably hyped a little early, but am hopeful that he'll reach the heights still, and provide a strong boiler room in tandem with the Grays for years to come

Absolutely - the Gray brothers should be the incumbents for the summer tour. Good combination of athleticism, lineout ability and physicality. Inexperience shouldn't be an excuse - Gray snr is a seasoned internationalist now and you can hardly say Launchberry and Lawes are experienced.

Swinson and Gilchrist will provide good backup, Hamilton there to shout at people and get carded.

The way forward is Gray and Gray. Johnny is a tackle machine and is good in the close quaters. Ritchie is the more proficient lineout jumper and is better in more open areas.  Both brothers really complement each other.

You'd have Johnny smashing into a ruck and Ritchie out in the open to make the next phase tackle.

You'd have Ritchie winning the ball in a 4 man line out to have the ball shipped to Johnny to crash into the opposition.

I'd say Gilchrist is like an alrounder.  90% as good as johnny at things johnny does best and 90% as good as Ritchie at things he does best.  Perfect bench cover for either brother.