Barclays Premier League 13/14 Thread Part 'x'

by Duty281 Sun 27 Apr 2014, 4:13 pm

First topic message reminder :

Superb by Mourinho. When are Liverpool at their most dangerous? The first thirty minutes of games; that is, generally, when they tear teams apart.

Not allowed to do that today, though, even against a very weakened Chelsea side. Liverpool didn't get a clear chance all game, and one costly, costly error gave Chelsea what they needed.

That and frustration, as Liverpool rapidly ran out of ideas and invention.

Back in City's hands now - another title won on goal difference?

by skyeman Mon 28 Apr 2014, 4:28 pm

mystiroakey wrote:
skyeman wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Pulis.........Kick them about...Ten men behind the ball......Do them on the break....

Got the job done in fairness to him........

I love a back-handed compliment

yeah its fine when it isnt against your team

Welling Utd, don't even get those Laugh

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon 28 Apr 2014, 4:29 pm

We'll see what Pulis does over the next year or so with Palace, but he certainly spent an awful lot of money to take Stoke nowhere/slightly backwards in the end

Doing a great job thus far

by mystiroakey Mon 28 Apr 2014, 4:32 pm

welling united. nice!!! Wink

yep pulis's real challenge is to see what he can do next year- he has worked a miracle- but everyone will just go back to thinking- he only did what he did at stoke.

But even still . If we hit top 10!!!! with these players. how can you move forward without spending 100 m plus!

the next level is the southamptons, the evertons, the newcastles etc

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon 28 Apr 2014, 4:36 pm

Remember when we finally scored against palace at the Etihad.......Game over because they weren't going to commit men forward and as we already had the goal we just kept the ball..

One trick ponies...

Score and defend for your life..........Like Moyes at Everton..

Top 10 you must be joking..

by mystiroakey Mon 28 Apr 2014, 4:37 pm

you havent seen the table then Truss

we are 11th and 1 pt of 10th

seriously what are you talking about?

look at the league table

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon 28 Apr 2014, 4:39 pm

Olly wrote:We'll see what Pulis does over the next year or so with Palace, but he certainly spent an awful lot of money to take Stoke nowhere/slightly backwards in the end

Doing a great job thus far

He did kind of get them promoted, established and into Europe.

by Duty281 Mon 28 Apr 2014, 4:39 pm

I think this version of Palace that Truss is talking about is one based on a lazy stereotype.

Palace have been a lot more positive than I would have expected them to be under Pulis - it's not all route one and playing the percentages, you know.

by **Crimey** Mon 28 Apr 2014, 4:43 pm

I think Pulis is a good manager, but I am not sure he can take a team further than comfortably mid-table, it depends whether Crystal Palace want to try and develop further than that, plenty of teams would be content with that but I can see basically the same thing that happened to him at Stoke happen to him at Palace, the fans will get frustrated after a few years of stagnation.

by mystiroakey Mon 28 Apr 2014, 4:45 pm

Truss doesnt quite understand what its like being a fan of a club for 25 years and watching them be a good team once for like 2 years then yoyo back and forth then almost go bankrupt, then get promted , be favs by a long way to go down and then end up as one of the top 11 clubs in the country..

He has 6 players in his team that on there own are worth more than our whole squad!!

This is the problem pulis has- even with a certain amount of money how can we expect t move past 11th or 10th next season- its another level and you need a squad worth over 100m minimum to mix it up with the southamptons of the world.

Palace will not give that budget and even if we do(which we wont) it will still be tough to buy top players as we are not a fashionable club

by Liam Mon 28 Apr 2014, 4:45 pm

Absolutely. I had that view of when they started picking up points that he'd just made them hard to beat. But when I actually started watching their games it was clear there was more purpose to their game. The ball was on the floor, they attacked with pace on their wings and have turned into a very handy team indeed. Far from the traditional lump it up in the air and physical stoke team Pulis was known for

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon 28 Apr 2014, 4:48 pm

I supported City in the first division Mate.......

As for Duty well I saw City - Palace at the Etihad..........I saw Palace against Stoke....I saw them create nothing against Utd.....and again yesterday where they created zilcho.......

Always watch them LAST on Match of the day too..........Don't know why they are always last on ????????

by mystiroakey Mon 28 Apr 2014, 4:50 pm

everton was a very impressive performance Truss. and the 4 games before- after the chelsea win we really stepped up a level and played the ball on the floor a lot more- good passing movement.

Maybe you dont understand how good your team is mate- but you are one of the best in the world. Basing us on that game isnt the best gauge. even very good teams will struggle

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon 28 Apr 2014, 4:51 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:
Olly wrote:We'll see what Pulis does over the next year or so with Palace, but he certainly spent an awful lot of money to take Stoke nowhere/slightly backwards in the end

Doing a great job thus far

He did kind of get them promoted, established and into Europe.

I'm talking style

by Liam Mon 28 Apr 2014, 4:52 pm

I think staying up should be Palace's main priority next year and consolidate a second season in the prem. The old 'second season syndrome' as its called has claimed a few clubs so i'm sure Pulis will know it will be a very difficult job again next season, especially when the inevitable bad spell comes.

by Duty281 Mon 28 Apr 2014, 4:52 pm

Oh yeah, they've scored the joint least goals in the Premier League so far, along with Norwich (28), and have the worst scoring record at home (15).

Now that does surprise me.

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon 28 Apr 2014, 4:52 pm

He did his job.......Kept you up and kudos.......

by Duty281 Mon 28 Apr 2014, 4:53 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:He did his job.......Kept you up and kudos.......

He's done a bit more than that, though. Could possibly finish 9th in the league, which is hardly a desperate scrap for surival.

by mystiroakey Mon 28 Apr 2014, 4:57 pm

Liam wrote:I think staying up should be Palace's main priority next year and consolidate a second season in the prem. The old 'second season syndrome' as its called has claimed a few clubs so i'm sure Pulis will know it will be a very difficult job again next season, especially when the inevitable bad spell comes.

exactly - comeing 10th or 11th again seems impossible. and beating a top side like newcastle into 9th or something isnt realistic.

just a 14th-11th should be our goal. and then once we have had two seaosns in the prem hopfully our owners will either put more money into the club or sell(there are just ex rich fans that only bought the club to save the club- I cant respect them enough, but a few things are needed if we want to be a top 10 side)

We need a better stadium, we need to start paying higher wages and we need signings- we need a decent cm to really start playing better footy all the time, and there are rare as hens teeth.

Its gonna take time. But our fans are amazing . and we have a huge cachement area, in recent years we have lost fans to chelsea and arsernal. These days we are growing again.

by Liam Mon 28 Apr 2014, 5:01 pm

Agree with that assessment Mys. Pulis has done brilliant this season and at the moment its all momentum. Its a lovely end to the season after what was looking like an absolute disaster of a start, in which I honestly thought you would be rivalling Derby's lowest points total.

I like Pulis. Get's allot of stick for his last season or so at Stoke but i've always rated him and I also believe the football he played at Stoke wasn't as bad as everyone makes out. I actually wanted him for the Wales job. Gutted he went to Palace but understood, unfortunately we have Coleman :/

by skyeman Mon 28 Apr 2014, 5:05 pm

mystiroakey wrote:everton was a very impressive performance Truss. and the 4 games before- after the chelsea win we really stepped up a level and played the ball on the floor a lot more- good passing movement.

Maybe you dont understand how good your team is mate- but you are one of the best in the world. Basing us on that game isnt the best gauge. even very good teams will struggle

Perfect.

That is why this is irrelevant. Some have to be at the top, and some have to be at the bottom.

Just enjoy and make hay while the sun shines.

by skyeman Mon 28 Apr 2014, 5:09 pm

Aye, Pulis has done a great job.

Millions to the club, and the fans get to see them play the top teams.

clap

by NickisBHAFC Mon 28 Apr 2014, 5:11 pm

Whilst i feel Pulis has done a truely superb job at Palace, i do feel the reason Palace are so high is mainly down to a lot of the other teams are massivly underachiving. Norwich for example spent A LOT of money in the summer and there aim was a top half finish, they look likely for relegation. West Brom nearly got europe last season and again fighting near the bottom. Swansea people were tiping them for another big season, been one to forget for them.

Will be intresting to see what Pulis can do with Palace next season, but i do feel with his style it will never be anything better than staying up, but im sure Palace fans won't care one bit, if they end 17th every season. There in the Premiership, and there rivals whom they beat to get into the Premiership are staying in the Championship.

by mystiroakey Mon 28 Apr 2014, 5:12 pm

NickisBHAFC wrote:Whilst i feel Pulis has done a truely superb job at Palace, i do feel the reason Palace are so high is mainly down to a lot of the other teams are massivly underachiving. Norwich for example spent A LOT of money in the summer and there aim was a top half finish, they look likely for relegation. West Brom nearly got europe last season and again fighting near the bottom. Swansea people were tiping them for another big season, been one to forget for them.

Will be intresting to see what Pulis can do with Palace next season, but i do feel with his style it will never be anything better than staying up, but im sure Palace fans won't care one bit, if they end 17th every season. There in the Premiership, and there rivals whom they beat to get into the Premiership are staying in the Championship.

hehehhee- just get in the PL yourselfs and shussssh kiss

by skyeman Mon 28 Apr 2014, 5:15 pm

mystiroakey wrote:
Liam wrote:I think staying up should be Palace's main priority next year and consolidate a second season in the prem. The old 'second season syndrome' as its called has claimed a few clubs so i'm sure Pulis will know it will be a very difficult job again next season, especially when the inevitable bad spell comes.

exactly - comeing 10th or 11th again seems impossible. and beating a top side like newcastle into 9th or something isnt realistic.

just a 14th-11th should be our goal. and then once we have had two seaosns in the prem hopfully our owners will either put more money into the club or sell(there are just ex rich fans that only bought the club to save the club- I cant respect them enough, but a few things are needed if we want to be a top 10 side)

We need a better stadium, we need to start paying higher wages and we need signings- we need a decent cm to really start playing better footy all the time, and there are rare as hens teeth.

Its gonna take time. But our fans are amazing . and we have a huge cachement area, in recent years we have lost fans to chelsea and arsernal. These days we are growing again.

A fan is for life.

SE Londoners opting for for North of the Thames teams. Shocked

by mystiroakey Mon 28 Apr 2014, 5:18 pm

yep so many pick chelsea and arsernal from, stutton, croydon and bromley, and if you are in the nice part of surrey Man U seems to be the team of choice!!

by Liam Mon 28 Apr 2014, 5:18 pm

Sky Sources: Utd considering other candidates despite positive talks with Van Gaal

Can only assume these are Anchelotti/Mourinho and maybe going in one final time for Klopp. Think they are saying if all these fail we're still getting a good manager in, just that we want a manager who will have all of the summer to solely focus on utd and not a world cup as well. Anchelotti would be a dream consdering reports he's not particularly enjoying working in Madrid. Him to come in and making Giggs no.2 would be my pick if at all possible.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon 28 Apr 2014, 5:22 pm

I wouldnt expect Palace to finish above 14th next season but that would be a good season, any sort of survival really to fight "second season syndrome". What they'll lack in money they will gain in stability and know how. I think there will be a good few bad teams still around next season and Pulis will be smarter than them.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon 28 Apr 2014, 5:22 pm

Classic "NOT NEWS" from SSN.

by Duty281 Mon 28 Apr 2014, 5:24 pm

Van Gaal of course won't be able to start until the middle of July, barring a disastrous World Cup for the Dutch.

That may hinder the rebuilding attempts that are so needed at Manchester United.

by mystiroakey Mon 28 Apr 2014, 5:25 pm

the players will all be at the world cup anyway- so i cant really see why and how anyone else can do anything else before july

by skyeman Mon 28 Apr 2014, 5:39 pm

Liam wrote:Sky Sources: Utd considering other candidates despite positive talks with Van Gaal

Can only assume these are Anchelotti/Mourinho and maybe going in one final time for Klopp. Think they are saying if all these fail we're still getting a good manager in, just that we want a manager who will have all of the summer to solely focus on utd and not a world cup as well. Anchelotti would be a dream consdering reports he's not particularly enjoying working in Madrid. Him to come in and making Giggs no.2 would be my pick if at all possible.

Thought it was a Van Gaal cert. but JM Laugh

That would pee most of the Utd fans here off after recent comments Laugh

by skyeman Mon 28 Apr 2014, 5:44 pm

Even JM could not be that driven surely, to switch to the bigger club?

by mystiroakey Mon 28 Apr 2014, 5:46 pm

JM has never belittled United- He allways backs them up. I would say he is a 15/1 shot at getting the job at some point in his life

by skyeman Mon 28 Apr 2014, 5:47 pm

Would be great though seeing JM defending a Rooney two footed lunge red card Laugh

by skyeman Mon 28 Apr 2014, 5:49 pm

mystiroakey wrote:JM has never belittled United- He allways backs them up. I would say he is a 15/1 shot at getting the job at some point in his life

That is so true.

Never heard anything against Utd from him in a bad way.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon 28 Apr 2014, 6:11 pm

Lindegaard has compared Giggs to Bayern Munich boss Pep Guardiola.

"It might sound pretty rash and naive, but, in my opinion, we are dealing with a new Guardiola," said the Dane.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon 28 Apr 2014, 6:12 pm

I'm pretty sure Van Gaal will be managing in the Premiership next season. If its not United it'll be Spurs

by **Crimey** Mon 28 Apr 2014, 6:13 pm

Ancelotti could do so much better than Manchester United, they require an intensive rebuilding job. Ancelotti would be at the top of the list of possible managers for pretty much any club in Europe, no need to go to United.

I can seriously see United end up appointing Giggs, if he wins the next three games and the team looks really good, which seems inevitable considering the team isn't contention for anything so no pressure, there is a feel good factor in the team and a lot of speculation about who will be their next season, and with the amount of noise coming from the players about how good Giggs is, I think they might give him it.

That would be the wrong decision in my opinion, but I wouldn't be surprised.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon 28 Apr 2014, 6:16 pm

Crimey wrote:Ancelotti could do so much better than Manchester United, they require an intensive rebuilding job. Ancelotti would be at the top of the list of possible managers for pretty much any club in Europe, no need to go to United. .

There's not many jobs better than the Manchester United job. He won't be managing Barca or Bayern soon, and Madrid are not exactly a picnic to manage.

by AberdeenSteve Mon 28 Apr 2014, 6:19 pm

Do so much better than Manchester United? Did I really just hear that?

One season out of the Champions League and people are questioning how big a club they are? Any manager would jump at the opportunity to rebuild what is one of the most financially successful and one of the best known teams in the world.

The world has gone mad...

by LastDamnation Mon 28 Apr 2014, 6:22 pm

Liam wrote:Sky Sources: Utd considering other candidates despite positive talks with Van Gaal

Can only assume these are Anchelotti/Mourinho and maybe going in one final time for Klopp. Think they are saying if all these fail we're still getting a good manager in, just that we want a manager who will have all of the summer to solely focus on utd and not a world cup as well. Anchelotti would be a dream consdering reports he's not particularly enjoying working in Madrid. Him to come in and making Giggs no.2 would be my pick if at all possible.

Have people really not worked out by now that "sky sources" means "please bet on the other candidates on skybet"? They did it all last summer with transfers..

by mystiroakey Mon 28 Apr 2014, 6:29 pm

its all about Gaal i agree Last!

Perfect fit for a few years

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon 28 Apr 2014, 6:36 pm

LastDamnation wrote:
Liam wrote:Sky Sources: Utd considering other candidates despite positive talks with Van Gaal

Can only assume these are Anchelotti/Mourinho and maybe going in one final time for Klopp. Think they are saying if all these fail we're still getting a good manager in, just that we want a manager who will have all of the summer to solely focus on utd and not a world cup as well. Anchelotti would be a dream consdering reports he's not particularly enjoying working in Madrid. Him to come in and making Giggs no.2 would be my pick if at all possible.

Have people really not worked out by now that "sky sources" means "please bet on the other candidates on skybet"? They did it all last summer with transfers..

SkyBet make sooooooooooooooo little out of transfer betting. Sky Sources is about their viewership, their website hits and twitter. Do you know what all do? They all promote every piece of sport Sky Sports broadcasts. This is, sadly, what my dissertation was on

by Liam Mon 28 Apr 2014, 6:53 pm

Crimey,

Do you think after one poor season utd are longer a big club or something? What have Liverpool done in the league in the last 20 years? haven't stopped them being linked with successful big name managers whilst also being one of the top 5 spending clubs in the last 5/6 seasons. Utd are still in the top 3 biggest clubs in the world and it finally seems the Glazers are gonna offer the money needed to rebuild. What manager wouldn't want to be part of that? Yes there's no CL football but it will be what's best for us in a rebuilding process as the pressure of the competition won't be there for the new manager. Look at how Liverpool have done this season as a testament to that.

by mystiroakey Mon 28 Apr 2014, 7:03 pm

This is a team that didnt go for a big name last time and are now doing what they said they wouldn't, they are basically a year back. If they stuck with giggs and just rode it out i think that would be a great long term soloution, and i am sure fergie would be employed to work with him a few times a week.

but short term fix - Gaal is the man

however they have got mata- quality player, so moyes hasnt been all bad- if they did ok and challenged this season they may not have snapped him up.

by Liam Mon 28 Apr 2014, 7:22 pm

Giggs hasn't the managerial experience. He's come in and is the right man atm to take us through till the end of the season but isn't the man to oversee a rebuilding process. Him vs Mourinho in a battle of tactics will be a massacre i'm afraid.

Ideally Van Gaal can rebuild with his experience and settle things down, hopefully getting us back in the top 4 next season with a good cup run, hopefully winning the FA cup would be nice. Then hopefully challenge the seasons after, leading to Ryan taking over after working as his no.2 for those rebuilding years.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon 28 Apr 2014, 7:26 pm

Crimey wrote:Ancelotti could do so much better than Manchester United, they require an intensive rebuilding job. Ancelotti would be at the top of the list of possible managers for pretty much any club in Europe, no need to go to United.

I can seriously see United end up appointing Giggs, if he wins the next three games and the team looks really good, which seems inevitable considering the team isn't contention for anything so no pressure, there is a feel good factor in the team and a lot of speculation about who will be their next season, and with the amount of noise coming from the players about how good Giggs is, I think they might give him it.

That would be the wrong decision in my opinion, but I wouldn't be surprised.

Lolz

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon 28 Apr 2014, 7:37 pm

Press Association confirming @TelegraphSport exclusive that both #mcfc and #psg have breached Uefa FFP rules. Let the fun begin.

by Duty281 Mon 28 Apr 2014, 7:41 pm

Right, how much bottle do UEFA have then?

by compelling and rich Mon 28 Apr 2014, 7:43 pm

Duty281 wrote:Right, how much bottle do UEFA have then?

not much, slap on the wrists with a fine and told to try to reign it in

platini went very quiet on FFP when it was suddenly the french clubs doing it. made a song and dance when it was the english clubs. wouldn't be surprised if its just a way of uefa making money out of them with fines

i have very little faith in any of the football governing bodies

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