NFL Draft 2014 Discussion

by mikeygnfl Thu 08 May 2014, 5:40 pm

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Here are the picks after the first three rounds of the draft. Who are the winners and losers so far? Which are the biggest steals sand/ or reaches of the draft so far?

Round 1

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Round 2

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Round 3

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Round 4

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Round 5

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Round 6

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Round 7

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by GSC Sat 10 May 2014, 10:43 am

Matthews is one angry dude. This should be fun

by Dave. Sat 10 May 2014, 11:22 am

Surely whoever gets AJ McCarron gets a steal?

by GSC Sat 10 May 2014, 11:29 am

Nah, he isn't very good

by NYJ Sat 10 May 2014, 11:43 am

GSC wrote:Nah, he isn't very good

This. This. Forever this.

Amaro in the 2nd- lovely. Now get a WR with 4.4 and BPA with the rest of our picks. Perhaps using some of that ammo to move up and control the draft.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sat 10 May 2014, 11:54 am

What do you folks think of Garappolo then?

Read a lot of reports this morning, seems to fit our style nicely with his quick release and strong arm, but his footwork scares me a little

I like Amaro in NYJ. Compliments Cumberland nicely, although he likes to do a lot of his work in slot like Kerley, but they'll work round it.

by GSC Sat 10 May 2014, 12:05 pm

Yet another trade/comp pick bait

by NYJ Sat 10 May 2014, 12:35 pm

Olly wrote:What do you folks think of Garappolo then?

Read a lot of reports this morning, seems to fit our style nicely with his quick release and strong arm, but his footwork scares me a little

I like Amaro in NYJ. Compliments Cumberland nicely, although he likes to do a lot of his work in slot like Kerley, but they'll work round it.

I agree, the only thing Cumberland is good at is stretching the seam and that's one thing Amaro can't do very well (at this point).

I don't like Garappolo at all. If you coddle him and get the ball out of his hands quickly, he can be effective, and I think the Patriots are set up for that more than any other team. However, at some point he will have to address his terrible pocket presence. He can't handle pressure. Even if that pressure is being picked up by his linemen, he feels the need to do something rash. Can that be taught?

by GSC Sat 10 May 2014, 12:37 pm

Not easily

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sat 10 May 2014, 12:41 pm

Yeah not easily, but he is in the best place to learn about being a pocket passer, and learning from a dude who's got pretty damn decent pocket presence

Can't say I see him being more than a Mallet tbh, speaking of him we must offload him to someone, surely Houston

by NYJ Sat 10 May 2014, 12:45 pm

Olly wrote:Yeah not easily, but he is in the best place to learn about being a pocket passer, and learning from a dude who's got pretty damn decent pocket presence

Ryan Mallett?

by GSC Sat 10 May 2014, 12:46 pm

Ryan Malletts trade/comp pick bait. Always was.

Wouldn't be surprised if we targetted McGill later. Measurables Chip loves

by GSC Sat 10 May 2014, 2:05 pm

Or Aaron Colvin. Good depth at outside CB atm so could absorb his injury

by mikeygnfl Sat 10 May 2014, 3:20 pm

GSC wrote:Nah, he isn't very good

McCarron was in my top two QBs in this draft with Johnny Manziel. I don't understand why people are so down on McCarron? Blake Bortles was a big reach for me at #3. He ranks out as a 2nd/ 3rd prospect for me with the likes of Derek Carr and Jimmy Garoppolo.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sat 10 May 2014, 4:33 pm

NYJ wrote:
Olly wrote:Yeah not easily, but he is in the best place to learn about being a pocket passer, and learning from a dude who's got pretty damn decent pocket presence

Ryan Mallett?

You cheeky bugger Wink

Think we're just gonna go BPA from here on in, probably take a RB at some point. I've got work so will miss all our 4th round picks, hopefully be back in time for the 6th/7th rounds

by mikeygnfl Sat 10 May 2014, 5:11 pm

Detroit Lions have had the best draft so far for me with Eric Ebron, Kyle Van Noy and Travis Swanson. The Browns and Steelers are a close second.

by Lowlandbrit Sat 10 May 2014, 8:53 pm

Hard to argue with results, but Seattle draft like they're missing half their board.

by crazy_dave23 Sat 10 May 2014, 8:57 pm

So Texans get Savage as their drafted QB, McCarron goes to Cincy, Mettenberger to Tennessee and Logan Thomas is drafted ahead of them all

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sat 10 May 2014, 9:04 pm

Loving the two linemen picked up by the Pats in the 4th, bye bye Dan Connolly!

Not sure about the RB, would've preferred Storm Johnson mainly cos his first name is Storm

by Lowlandbrit Sat 10 May 2014, 9:23 pm

Punters. Are. People. Too.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sat 10 May 2014, 9:40 pm

Lowlandbrit wrote:Punters. Are. People. Too.

Yes! Yes! Yes!

People on twitter outraged a punter has been taken before Michael Sam (he's really fallen since Bull chose him)

Saw a guy tweet the punter has a better 40, bench press and vertical. Owned

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sat 10 May 2014, 10:18 pm

NFL network doing draft grades before the draft is even over

by Lowlandbrit Sat 10 May 2014, 10:36 pm

Olly wrote:NFL network doing draft grades before the draft is even over

I'm with Mayock on that.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sat 10 May 2014, 10:43 pm

Lowlandbrit wrote:
Olly wrote:NFL network doing draft grades before the draft is even over
I'm with Mayock on that.

Me too! Especially as they've given everyone a B and above, get off the fence

Damned Jags took Storm Johnson Sad

by Lowlandbrit Sat 10 May 2014, 10:58 pm

Also people: Kickers.

by crazy_dave23 Sat 10 May 2014, 11:13 pm

There was a brief run on kickers there...

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sat 10 May 2014, 11:43 pm

We didn't take a single Rutgers guy

What is the world coming to

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sat 10 May 2014, 11:46 pm

STOP TALKING ABOUT MICHAEL SAM FFS

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sat 10 May 2014, 11:50 pm

Oh he got drafted

by Number-25 Sat 10 May 2014, 11:51 pm

Not liking the Redskins draft. Not liking it at all.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sat 10 May 2014, 11:52 pm

Olly wrote:Oh he got drafted

Should add good luck trying to get playtime on that St Louis defensive line

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sat 10 May 2014, 11:55 pm

Number-25 wrote:Not liking the Redskins draft. Not liking it at all.

You got some decent value with Moses, explain your anger Number-25

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sun 11 May 2014, 12:11 am

Draft over

Now it gets real boring

by Lowlandbrit Sun 11 May 2014, 12:11 am

More openly gay players drafted than players from the University of Texas.

by GSC Sun 11 May 2014, 9:08 am

Never get the point of grading drafts and such after the day.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sun 11 May 2014, 9:14 am

We signed a 6ft 8 TE as an UDFA

We have Sudfeld part two coming

by GSC Sun 11 May 2014, 9:29 am

It amuses me that every white WR is compared to Welker and the same 'Shifty, deceptively fast, high motor, blue collar' descriptions come out.

by Lowlandbrit Sun 11 May 2014, 9:44 am

GSC wrote:It amuses me that every white WR is compared to Welker and the same 'Shifty, deceptively fast, high motor, blue collar' descriptions come out.

You might like to take a look at this too: http://deadspin.com/which-words-are-used-to-describe-white-and-black
Basically it lets you compare how often certain words were used to describe players.

by Number-25 Mon 12 May 2014, 12:03 am

Olly wrote:
Number-25 wrote:Not liking the Redskins draft. Not liking it at all.
You got some decent value with Moses, explain your anger Number-25

My problems with our draft are:-

1. We have lots of problems on our terrible defense... OLB is the least of them....we drafted a project OLB with our top pick. I expect very little of Trent Murphy - he seems like a poor man's Ryan Kerrigan!

2. Of all the OTs expected to go early in the draft, the one I really didn't want us to take was Moses. Who wants an inconsistent OT with a soft streak and weight issues? You can't teach someone to become tougher.

3. Spencer Long is covered in injury red flags. Who knows how well he'll recover from his MCL surgery. Why take a chance on a guy like that in the 3rd round?

4. We drafted a Kicker. This is bad enough on its own but we already have a good Kicker. This is a waste of even a 7th round pick.

I could probably go on. Probably the most underwhelmed I've been by a Redskins draft in a long time.

by bluestonevedder Mon 12 May 2014, 3:00 pm

I don't understand why Dominique Easley was a first round pick? I admit I don't see as much college football as I would like, and I hadn't heard his name before the draft, but his stats are very average. If someone could shed some light it would be appreciated!

Every draft there seems to be a few players whose stats aren't great, but who evoke so much praise. Blaine Gabbert was one of these! Such average stats, but apparently first round pedigree.

by Lowlandbrit Mon 12 May 2014, 3:23 pm

bluestonevedder wrote:Every draft there seems to be a few players whose stats aren't great, but who evoke so much praise. Blaine Gabbert was one of these! Such average stats, but apparently first round pedigree.

Blaine Gabbert owes Andrew Luck a lot of money for staying in school. Went from second round to top of the first overnight when he was suddenly the best 'traditional' QB. Can't say I'm convinced the Jags have learned their lesson there though...

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon 12 May 2014, 3:32 pm

Easley was injured so that's why his stats aren't good, watch his tape you see an explosive 3 tech who penetrates the line, something we don't have

But the health is the issue

by bluestonevedder Mon 12 May 2014, 4:37 pm

Lowlandbrit wrote:
bluestonevedder wrote:Every draft there seems to be a few players whose stats aren't great, but who evoke so much praise. Blaine Gabbert was one of these! Such average stats, but apparently first round pedigree.
Blaine Gabbert owes Andrew Luck a lot of money for staying in school. Went from second round to top of the first overnight when he was suddenly the best 'traditional' QB. Can't say I'm convinced the Jags have learned their lesson there though...

Absolutely. I honeslty can't believe he was drafted 1st round. He showed glimpses of pure genius during his college time, but at some point potential has to be turned into reality

by bluestonevedder Mon 12 May 2014, 4:38 pm

Olly wrote:Easley was injured so that's why his stats aren't good, watch his tape you see an explosive 3 tech who penetrates the line, something we don't have

But the health is the issue

He was playing even when injured? I'll check out some tape, but I just feel there might have been better players still on the board.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon 12 May 2014, 4:42 pm

bluestonevedder wrote:
Olly wrote:Easley was injured so that's why his stats aren't good, watch his tape you see an explosive 3 tech who penetrates the line, something we don't have

But the health is the issue

He was playing even when injured? I'll check out some tape, but I just feel there might have been better players still on the board.

No no had two ACL tears so missed a lot of time, thus didn't rack up the stats.

Might have been, still not sure why we didn't take a TE, but if he can be healthy from what I've seen Easley should help us immensely

by bluestonevedder Mon 12 May 2014, 4:50 pm

Good, good. As long as he backs up the faith the Patriots have put in him. Heck of a call considering his medical history.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon 12 May 2014, 4:55 pm

bluestonevedder wrote:Good, good. As long as he backs up the faith the Patriots have put in him. Heck of a call considering his medical history.

Taking players with dodgy medical histories is what we do!!

by NYJ Mon 12 May 2014, 7:38 pm

Stats mean nothing at the college level. You're looking to project how a player will do at the NFL , not how well he can dominate against Hawaii.

by twelve283 Sat 17 May 2014, 3:03 pm

NYJ wrote:Stats mean nothing at the college level. You're looking to project how a player will do at the NFL , not how well he can dominate against Hawaii.

Bingo. It's about how the player fits at the next level, what skills does he have?

by TopoftheChops Sun 18 May 2014, 9:02 pm

manziel to flop in my opinion. Bridgewater was the best QB pick

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